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  • sarettah
    see you later, I'm gone
    • Oct 2002
    • 14295
    #1

    Another Playboy model that slept with Trump comes out.

    Donald Trump & Barbara Moore Had Alleged Affair, Says Playboy Playmate – Hollywood Life

    Barbara Moore, a former Playboy centerfold, claims she & Donald Trump allegedly began a six-month affair starting in March of 1993 when Marla Maples was engaged to Donald & pregnant with Tiffany!
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    • bronco67
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      • Dec 2006
      • 29032
      #2
      She sure as hell looks like one of those foul creatures...I mean "women" who would sleep with a sludge bag like Donald Trump. She has a "Will Fuck Trump for Money" tattoo on her lower back.

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        • bronco67
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Dec 2006
          • 29032
          #3
          But this isn't really pertinent to anything legally with the current situation. He was married to Marla Maples.

          The only thing it does is fortify the historical perspective of his reputation as a sleazebag.

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            • Rochard
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              • Dec 2001
              • 75733
              #4
              Nothing surprises me at this point.
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                • GAMEFINEST
                  Make STACK$
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 14477
                  #5
                  I'm shocked Melania is not dumping his ass.

                  But she's another Donald trump
                  Compound interest.

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                    • HairyChick
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                      • Sep 2012
                      • 3091
                      #6
                      If you were around during Marla/Ivanka, you’d read daily reports of his cheating. We got the NY Post do I kept up with him. He’s scum, he cheats on women and in business, he’s judgmental, he lies and he’d fuck a female snake if you held it.

                      I’ve no doubt he’s scrambling to pay off other women to keep quiet. Bill Clinton thought there was no proof. Monica proved he lied. Donald better hope there’s no Monica waiting to pounce. A woman scorned can be your worst nightmare!
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                        • Bladewire
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                          • Aug 2003
                          • 56228
                          #7


                          Death by a thousand cuts love watching the 71 year old morbidly obese geratric pig bleed



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                            • Look Chang
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                              • Sep 2010
                              • 18255
                              #8
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                                • Best-In-BC
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                                  • Jun 2002
                                  • 9511
                                  #9
                                  So fucking what, the guy has worse flaws
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                                    • OneHungLo
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                                      • May 2001
                                      • 40906
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Bladewire


                                      Death by a thousand cuts love watching the 71 year old morbidly obese geratric pig bleed

                                      You have a lot of hate in you. Try watching more Dr. 'Phil

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                                        • Bladewire
                                          StraightBro
                                          • Aug 2003
                                          • 56228
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by OneHungLo
                                          You have a lot of hate in you. Try watching more Dr. 'Phil
                                          Aaaaaw you can't defend Trump so attack me Trump is the problem not me.

                                          Trump is hate, the only thing he loves is lying, stealing money, conning people, not paying vendors, cheating on his wives & taking Putting load in his throat.

                                          I love watching justice being g served against this pig


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                                            • OneHungLo
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • May 2001
                                              • 40906
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by bronco67
                                              She sure as hell looks like one of those foul creatures...I mean "women" who would sleep with a sludge bag like Donald Trump. She has a "Will Fuck Trump for Money" tattoo on her lower back.
                                              Originally posted by bronco67
                                              But this isn't really pertinent to anything legally with the current situation. He was married to Marla Maples.

                                              The only thing it does is fortify the historical perspective of his reputation as a sleazebag.
                                              you're such a little beta. Did you ever even work in the adult industry? Oh the horror ..rich billionaire banging playboy models.


                                              Damn those white males **shakes fist in the air**

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                                                • Mr Pheer
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                  • 22083
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by bronco67
                                                  She sure as hell looks like one of those foul creatures...I mean "women" who would sleep with a sludge bag like Donald Trump. She has a "Will Fuck Trump for Money" tattoo on her lower back.

                                                  Let's see what you're fucking.

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                                                    • The Porn Nerd
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                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                      • 19787
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by PamWinterReturns
                                                      If you were around during Marla/Ivanka, you’d read daily reports of his cheating. We got the NY Post do I kept up with him. He’s scum, he cheats on women and in business, he’s judgmental, he lies and he’d fuck a female snake if you held it.

                                                      I’ve no doubt he’s scrambling to pay off other women to keep quiet. Bill Clinton thought there was no proof. Monica proved he lied. Donald better hope there’s no Monica waiting to pounce. A woman scorned can be your worst nightmare!
                                                      I was a journalist back in those days in NYC so yes, I remember well how Trump cheated on Ivana with Marla. So now he cheated on Marla Maples too? Wow what a shock! Once a cheater, always a cheater.

                                                      Again I ask: how could ANY woman vote for a man like Donald Trump?
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                                                        • Bladewire
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                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                          • 56228
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                          Again I ask: how could ANY woman vote for a man like Donald Trump?
                                                          Clearly Republican women have a thing for assholes and some Democratic women didn't like Clinton because she stood by her husband that cheated. Circular


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                                                            • baddog
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                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                              • 107089
                                                              #16
                                                              The sad part of this story is that it seems like we are destined to a culture where having money and getting quality pussy are a bad thing.

                                                              I would hope a millionaire/billionaire is banging at least Playboy grade women; not everyone can be Zuckerberg.

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                                                                • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                  • Jun 2009
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                  The sad part of this story is that it seems like we are destined to a culture where having money and getting quality pussy are a bad thing.

                                                                  I would hope a millionaire/billionaire is banging at least Playboy grade women; not everyone can be Zuckerberg.
                                                                  No, I HOPE we get to a point in this culture where EVEN THOUGH you have money and can get quality pussy you nonetheless treat women with respect and DO NOT constantly and consistently cheat on your wife.
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                                                                    • MFCT
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Trump, you fuckin pimp!! How dare you fuck hot women?? You must live a very miserable life! I just can't even....
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                                                                        • Bladewire
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                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 56228
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                          No, I HOPE we get to a point in this culture where EVEN THOUGH you have money and can get quality pussy you nonetheless treat women with respect and DO NOT constantly and consistently cheat on your wife.
                                                                          Yeah the issue is either be a millionaire playboy or a married millionaire. You can't do both when 5 children & 7 grandchildren are involved without hurting innocent people.

                                                                          Openly cheating on every one of your 3 wives with women you pay for sex and making every one of your 5 children and 7 grandchildren have to go through that publicly is sadistic and disrespectful to everyone involved.


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                                                                            • Tasty1
                                                                              Bla bla blaa
                                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                                              • 9529
                                                                              #20
                                                                              And Melania didn't get maried for the money.... sure. How do we call that?
                                                                              She will walk away with a big bag of money soon.

                                                                              If man where made to make love to 1 woman, they wouldn't get a hardon when they see another.
                                                                              Therefor most people have an affair. Most here are promoting that sort of sites also.
                                                                              That religious crap about marriage is forced up by religions. and hollywood movies.

                                                                              everything is fake

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                                                                                • Mr Pheer
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                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                  • 22083
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                  No, I HOPE we get to a point in this culture where EVEN THOUGH you have money and can get quality pussy you nonetheless treat women with respect and DO NOT constantly and consistently cheat on your wife.
                                                                                  But occasional and intermittent cheating would be ok?

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                                                                                    • baddog
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                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                      • 107089
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                      No, I HOPE we get to a point in this culture where EVEN THOUGH you have money and can get quality pussy you nonetheless treat women with respect and DO NOT constantly and consistently cheat on your wife.
                                                                                      Sorry dude, some of us really have little control over that. It is kind of like there are people that get speeding tickets because they can't help it.

                                                                                      It is pretty much the same thing in that it is in your blood. Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is.

                                                                                      I certainly can't judge someone for their infidelity; not even my exes.

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                                                                                        • baddog
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                                                                                          • Apr 2001
                                                                                          • 107089
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Mr Pheer
                                                                                          But occasional and intermittent cheating would be ok?
                                                                                          I can live with that.

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                                                                                            • SIK
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                                                                                              • Dec 2006
                                                                                              • 1497
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Oh my, Trump likes pussy? He likes to FUCK????

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                                                                                                • CaptainHowdy
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                                                                                                  • Dec 2004
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Something actually wrong with that??

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                                                                                                    • MaDalton
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                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                      • 39861
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by MFCT
                                                                                                      Trump, you fuckin pimp!! How dare you fuck hot women?? You must live a very miserable life! I just can't even....
                                                                                                      the funny thing is: nobody would give a fuck about it and he could go on with this as much as he wanted.

                                                                                                      but he decided to become president (accidentally - as we know already)

                                                                                                      and unlike Kennedy (for example) he does not have the charme and personality that made people rather take secrets to their grave than rat him out.
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                                                                                                        • pornguy
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                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          What gets me about all these threads of the women this ass hat supposedly fucked.

                                                                                                          its NONE of you posting the photos.
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                                                                                                            • ilnjscb
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by StefanG
                                                                                                              the funny thing is: nobody would give a fuck about it and he could go on with this as much as he wanted.

                                                                                                              but he decided to become president (accidentally - as we know already)

                                                                                                              and unlike Kennedy (for example) he does not have the charme and personality that made people rather take secrets to their grave than rat him out.
                                                                                                              Kennedy was a complete sleazebag rapist. The "charm" you describe was also money that paid for media. He was most often high on prescription drugs.

                                                                                                              He and his ilk are an embarrassment to the party.

                                                                                                              This new Trump squeeze is hot, but I have to agree with other posters, why does he bother to hide it? We all know billionaires fuck all day and night. Did anyone honestly believe he didn't?

                                                                                                              This whole thing of pretending to be "chaste" is so stupid.

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                                                                                                                • MaDalton
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                                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                                                                  Kennedy was a complete sleazebag rapist. The "charm" you describe was also money that paid for media. He was most often high on prescription drugs.

                                                                                                                  He and his ilk are an embarrassment to the party.

                                                                                                                  This new Trump squeeze is hot, but I have to agree with other posters, why does he bother to hide it? We all know billionaires fuck all day and night. Did anyone honestly believe he didn't?

                                                                                                                  This whole thing of pretending to be "chaste" is so stupid.
                                                                                                                  the charm i mean is that Kennedy was an eloquent speaker and was able to maintain a public image as a leader with morale and integrity - debatable how he achieved it.

                                                                                                                  we look back in history and see him as someone who avoided nuclear war in the Cuba crisis, put the US on the moon and over here he will be always remembered for "Ich bin ein Berliner".

                                                                                                                  and now imagine Trump in the exact same situations...
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                                                                                                                    • ruff
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                                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                      • 5507
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I'm guessing the orange moron hasn't gotten any pussy since taking office.
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                                                                                                                        • beerptrol
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                                                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                          • 12722
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by ruff
                                                                                                                          I'm guessing the orange moron hasn't gotten any pussy since taking office.
                                                                                                                          He's probably worn out from all that Putin cock he's been getting!
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                                                                                                                            • JFK
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by bronco67
                                                                                                                              She sure as hell looks like one of those foul creatures...I mean "women" who would sleep with a sludge bag like Donald Trump. She has a "Will Fuck Trump for Money" tattoo on her lower back.

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                                                                                                                                • Rochard
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                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 75733
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                  The sad part of this story is that it seems like we are destined to a culture where having money and getting quality pussy are a bad thing.
                                                                                                                                  Did you really just say that? Yes, cheating on your spouse is a horrible, evil, and vile thing. We should never condone this.
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                                                                                                                                    • beerptrol
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                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 12722
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Nothing new. Fat rich slobs have been fucking models for centuries.
                                                                                                                                      Just shows how much a scumbag he is to do it while still married
                                                                                                                                      “If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.”
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                                                                                                                                        • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2009
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Mr Pheer
                                                                                                                                          But occasional and intermittent cheating would be ok?
                                                                                                                                          Everyone is entitled to a mistake or two. Doing it over decades shows a pattern that is unacceptable in a president let alone a married father of 5 and grandfather of 7.

                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                          Sorry dude, some of us really have little control over that. It is kind of like there are people that get speeding tickets because they can't help it.

                                                                                                                                          It is pretty much the same thing in that it is in your blood. Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is.

                                                                                                                                          I certainly can't judge someone for their infidelity; not even my exes.
                                                                                                                                          Yes I agree. Some people are just pieces of shit right down to their bones. It's a shame you relate to one so much Baddog.
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                                                                                                                                            • RedFred
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                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by OneHungLo
                                                                                                                                              A rare photo of our modern-day Lord & savior,supreme leader Donald J. Trump! #FakeNews MSM won’t show this! All those nansy pansy libtards are rioting in the streets saying that “Trump doesn’t even have a cat/dog!” 😡 They have no idea about our divine messenger’s connectedness & humility!


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                                                                                                                                                • huey
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                                                                                                                                                  I find it hillarious that adult webmasters are calling Trump a sleaze bag for banging hot chic's.like to see what ethical content your pushing.
                                                                                                                                                  opinions are like assholes.................


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                                                                                                                                                    • directfiesta
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                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 30135
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by StefanG
                                                                                                                                                      the funny thing is: nobody would give a fuck about it and he could go on with this as much as he wanted.

                                                                                                                                                      but he decided to become president (accidentally - as we know already)

                                                                                                                                                      and unlike Kennedy (for example) he does not have the charme and personality that made people rather take secrets to their grave than rat him out.
                                                                                                                                                      Not only that, but he denies over and over again having sex with these women or those that accused him during the elections ( we was supposed to sue them ... but silence ).

                                                                                                                                                      If he came out and said he is a dog, and fucked all what moved, it would be a non-issue except for Melania ....
                                                                                                                                                      But as he is lying over and over agazin, each of these new women just sdolidify the fact that he is a LIAR !
                                                                                                                                                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                                                                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                                                                        • mOrrI
                                                                                                                                                          It's over there...
                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 4212
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          who cares.... really...

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                                                                                                                                                            • Bladewire
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                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 56228
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              ↑↑↑ He doesn't


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                                                                                                                                                                • CaptainHowdy
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                                                  • 94730
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                                  ↑↑↑ He doesn't
                                                                                                                                                                  Can't we let this one slide, BW??

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                                                                                                                                                                    • mOrrI
                                                                                                                                                                      It's over there...
                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 4212
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Well, I think Trump should be out of office for other, more important reasons.

                                                                                                                                                                      PS- I'm not American, but FFS... why? why? is he in office!

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Jel
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                                                          Everyone is entitled to a mistake or two. Doing it over decades shows a pattern that is unacceptable in a president let alone a married father of 5 and grandfather of 7.



                                                                                                                                                                          Yes I agree. Some people are just pieces of shit right down to their bones. It's a shame you relate to one so much Baddog.
                                                                                                                                                                          You realise not everyone is built the same, right? Everyone here realises that to a great many people, what we do is morally wrong, and we are pieces of shit, right?

                                                                                                                                                                          Judging someone else's sexual behaviour is a slippery slope at the best of times, even moreso when it comes from a bunch of people who sell porn.

                                                                                                                                                                          arguments against porn performers: sex is sacred blah blah, sex with many people is wrong blahblahblah, sex outside marriage is wrong blahfuckingblah

                                                                                                                                                                          pornslingers: disagree with all of the above, but hey, people having sex with someone other than their spouse is morally reprehensible blahfuckingblahblah

                                                                                                                                                                          When did this board turn into a bunch of teenage girls who think sex can't ever just be about sex, and plenty of people can separate the act from emotion? Or the possibility that in many cases both partners know/are fine with sex with others? Or the literally thousands of other nuances that make up individual sexuality?

                                                                                                                                                                          Bashing someone for illegal shit is one thing, but when a bunch of fucking pornography people start dishing out moral judgements and laying down rules for others sexual behaviour, I can't help but equally laugh out loud, and be surprised that any free thinker would want to use *their* sexual morals as the standard everyone else should live by.

                                                                                                                                                                          Of all the things to judge someone by, sexual behaviour between consenting adults is just about the last thing to use as any kind of barometer. It's a base instinct so deeply ingrained that it's fucking useless as a measuring tool of someone.

                                                                                                                                                                          And that goes whether it's trump, clinton, blair, may, or the neighbours down the street. Holy fucking shit this place is more like a mother's meeting every time I visit lol. Pornslingers dishing out sexual behaviour morals... hahahahaha

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                                                                                                                                                                            • LetterTwenty7
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by ruff
                                                                                                                                                                              I'm guessing the orange moron hasn't gotten any pussy since taking office.
                                                                                                                                                                              Interesting and accurate description. Prolly you're right, too!
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                                                                                                                                                                                • ruff
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 5507
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by huey
                                                                                                                                                                                  I find it hillarious that adult webmasters are calling Trump a sleaze bag for banging hot chic's.like to see what ethical content your pushing.
                                                                                                                                                                                  What your missing is not tRump banging hot chics, it's because the fucker lies about it.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Being famous has its perks
                                                                                                                                                                                      Compound interest.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                          Sorry dude, some of us really have little control over that. It is kind of like there are people that get speeding tickets because they can't help it.

                                                                                                                                                                                          It is pretty much the same thing in that it is in your blood. Doesn't make it right, but it is what it is.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I certainly can't judge someone for their infidelity; not even my exes.
                                                                                                                                                                                          impulse control disorder is a psychiatric disorder. some are just sociopaths. these people need help not justification for their behavior.
                                                                                                                                                                                          you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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