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  • Sarah_Jayne
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    Coca-Cola promotes drink with 'swastika' robots

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    Coca-Cola promotes drink with 'swastika' robots

    A Coca-Cola promotion in Hong Kong featuring a robot adorned with 'swastikas' has been condemned....http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_775737.html
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    • steffie
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      #3
      Buy me one, I pay you 10 bucks.. you know its gonna be a collectable very very soon
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      • Madball
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        • candidpublishinginc
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          #5
          Christ,

          That's not a swastika robot! That symbol is a buddist symbol and those facist scumbag Nazis made a similar one that pretty much destroyed the meaning of the original symbol.

          Any of you ever thought that maybe there are a lot of buddists in Hong Kong? You know.....since it's in Asia and stuff.....
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          • Hammer
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            #6
            You said Christ and Buddhist in the same post. What are you trying to do start another board war?

            The ridiculous part is that even though the swaztica was a symbol long before the Nazis adopted it, the world associates the symbol with hate now. It doesn't matter what it represented in the beginning. Obviously the marketing geniuses at Coke think that if you're a Buddhist that you never heard of WWII and the Nazi party.
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            • candidpublishinginc
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              #7
              Originally posted by The Hammer
              You said Christ and Buddhist in the same post. What are you trying to do start another board war?

              The ridiculous part is that even though the swaztica was a symbol long before the Nazis adopted it, the world associates the symbol with hate now. It doesn't matter what it represented in the beginning. Obviously the marketing geniuses at Coke think that if you're a Buddhist that you never heard of WWII and the Nazi party.
              In Hong Kong and other Asian regions this symbol is not associated with hate.

              In fact when I was in Hong Kong just recently I saw it quite a bit.
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              • Hammer
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                #8
                In Hong Kong and other Asian regions this symbol is not associated with hate.
                I hear you but here's my point. To the Jews that symbol represents hate and since Asia is not closed off from the rest of the world surely the marketing people at Coke would realize that at some point non-Asian people would see the robot. Once they came to that conclusion they should have used another symbol like the yin yang symbol or better yet just don't put a symbol on the robot at all. If you think about it that robot hardly looks peaceful, it looks like a warrior, so the symbol is still not appropriate.

                Besides all that, what's up with the pig snout and the Santa Claus beard?
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                • Horny Dude
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                  #9
                  You would think Coke has some sort of review board that goes over everything just so shit like this doesn't happen. Big companies should hire people just to look over new products so that they can avoid mistakes like this. Think of all the money they could save by avoiding a lawsuit.

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                  • foe
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Madball
                    Actually this is the swastika, the budist symbol points the other way.

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                    • Torn Rose
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by candidpublishinginc
                      Christ,

                      That's not a swastika robot! That symbol is a buddist symbol and those facist scumbag Nazis made a similar one that pretty much destroyed the meaning of the original symbol.

                      Any of you ever thought that maybe there are a lot of buddists in Hong Kong? You know.....since it's in Asia and stuff.....
                      "Rabbi Kermaier acknowledged the Nazi swastika can easily be confused with Buddhist swastikas that are common in Asia. The two symbols are close to being reverse images of one another, with the arms pointing in opposite directions."


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                      • candidpublishinginc
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by The Hammer

                        I hear you but here's my point. To the Jews that symbol represents hate and since Asia is not closed off from the rest of the world surely the marketing people at Coke would realize that at some point non-Asian people would see the robot. Once they came to that conclusion they should have used another symbol like the yin yang symbol or better yet just don't put a symbol on the robot at all. If you think about it that robot hardly looks peaceful, it looks like a warrior, so the symbol is still not appropriate.
                        Sorry but I don't believe in Political correctness just to please one group. Nobody in Hong Kong had a problem with this either.

                        Also both my Great Grandfather and my Great Uncle had to suffer through a Nazi concerntration camp. Neither of them were Jewish. My Great Grandfather died there but my Great Uncle made it out alive. He passed on a few years ago.

                        Originally posted by The Hammer
                        Besides all that, what's up with the pig snout and the Santa Claus beard?
                        I think it's based on a Japanese Anime character.
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                        • candidpublishinginc
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by foe


                          Actually this is the swastika, the budist symbol points the other way.
                          Actually the Buddhist symbol can go both ways.
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                          • Hammer
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by candidpublishinginc


                            Sorry but I don't believe in Political correctness just to please one group.
                            Are you seriously telling me that if you knew for a fact that something you produced would cause anguish to even a small percentage of the population and all you had to do to avoid that would be to change a symbol you would go ahead and do it anyway?
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                              Fuck the Jews, we have been nice to them for more than 50 years now, its about fucking time them move along

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                              • candidpublishinginc
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by The Hammer

                                Are you seriously telling me that if you knew for a fact that something you produced would cause anguish to even a small percentage of the population and all you had to do to avoid that would be to change a symbol you would go ahead and do it anyway?
                                Gee,

                                I think your triple penetration bukkake fuck fest might cause anguish to even a small percentage of the population. Why don't we ban it?
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                                • booker
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                                  #17
                                  Mistake or not, the guy who made the robot character must have lived in a cave his entire life.

                                  I submit, for your approval, a comparison: http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/p/l/pls144/comp.gif
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                                  • Sly_RJ
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by The Hammer

                                    Are you seriously telling me that if you knew for a fact that something you produced would cause anguish to even a small percentage of the population and all you had to do to avoid that would be to change a symbol you would go ahead and do it anyway?
                                    Every year Coke puts a Santa Clause on their cans, and heavily promotes Christmas...

                                    Uh-oh!
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                                    • candidpublishinginc
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by ebus_dk
                                      Fuck the Jews, we have been nice to them for more than 50 years now, its about fucking time them move along
                                      I really don't think that's the right attitude. I just think that all cultures should get equal respect.
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                                      • UnseenWorld
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by candidpublishinginc
                                        Christ,

                                        That's not a swastika robot! That symbol is a buddist symbol and those facist scumbag Nazis made a similar one that pretty much destroyed the meaning of the original symbol.

                                        Any of you ever thought that maybe there are a lot of buddists in Hong Kong? You know.....since it's in Asia and stuff.....
                                        The swastika pre-existed Nazism by eons and I think The Jews had best stick to criticizing swastikas when presented in an actual Nazi context.

                                        My question is, why does this robot have a hand sticking out of its pants giving us the finger?
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                                        • Hammer
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                          Every year Coke puts a Santa Clause on their cans, and heavily promotes Christmas...

                                          Uh-oh!
                                          And what part of the population does that cause anguish to? Sure not everyone celebrates Christmas and I'm sure the jews would rather see a minora on the can but I don't get the analogy.
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                                          • Sly_RJ
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by The Hammer

                                            And what part of the population does that cause anguish to? Sure not everyone celebrates Christmas and I'm sure the jews would rather see a minora on the can but I don't get the analogy.
                                            Many.

                                            Have you noticed that many elementary schools can no longer have Christmas programs? They can't dress up for Halloween days. Pictures of the Easter bunny can not be drawn in art class.

                                            All because those holidays create an "anguish" for a small group of people.

                                            Bummer.
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                                            • Machete_
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by candidpublishinginc


                                              I really don't think that's the right attitude. I just think that all cultures should get equal respect.

                                              SO we should show "equal respect" and do what the jews like? what about the Buddhist?

                                              Its ALWAYS - ALWAYS about the jews, I'm getting SICK of them.

                                              Kill 20 Black people, and its just murder - Kill ONE jew, and now you have to involve the FBI, because its a racial thing?

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                                              • booker
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                                                #24
                                                All the Jews I know have no problems with the pervasive Christmas themes around Christmas time. Nobody was gassed or had their insides gutted alive in the name of science on Christmas.

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                                                Originally posted by ebus_dk
                                                Fuck the Jews, we have been nice to them for more than 50 years now, its about fucking time them move along
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                                                • candidpublishinginc
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                  Many.

                                                  Have you noticed that many elementary schools can no longer have Christmas programs? They can't dress up for Halloween days. Pictures of the Easter bunny can not be drawn in art class.

                                                  All because those holidays create an "anguish" for a small group of people.

                                                  Bummer.
                                                  Did you have a chance to decorate your "holiday" tree this past December?
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                                                    #26
                                                    and its still just a small symbol on a coke bottle, its not like they are trying to take over the world or anything - its a COKE BOTTLE!

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                                                    • PornDaddy
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                                                      #27
                                                      Well all press is good press.

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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by booker

                                                        Jews in the US are, for the most part, successful and productive. Don't hate others because they succeed and you do not. Work hard and success will follow.

                                                        Additionally, Israel is known for having best fighter pilots in the world (with US hardware), they train US Navy and AF pilots for combat.
                                                        my God - the Left-wing propagande REALLY took a solid grib in your pants dident it?

                                                        About 75% of The people that move from Isael to Denmark, never get a job, mostly because they dont want to learn the language, but they dont mind recivint the social benefits.

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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by booker
                                                          All the Jews I know have no problems with the pervasive Christmas themes around Christmas time. Nobody was gassed or had their insides gutted alive in the name of science on Christmas.
                                                          Where was I talking about Jews?

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                                                          • Hammer
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                            Many.

                                                            Have you noticed that many elementary schools can no longer have Christmas programs? They can't dress up for Halloween days. Pictures of the Easter bunny can not be drawn in art class.

                                                            All because those holidays create an "anguish" for a small group of people.

                                                            Bummer.
                                                            I agree with you that it's a bummer. We go through this all the time at my daughter's school. It's a small private school but there are so many middle eastern kids going there that they don't acknowlege any holidays except Valentine's Day. I guess they figure everyone deserves a hug once in a while.
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                                                            • Halx
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by ebus_dk



                                                              SO we should show "equal respect" and do what the jews like? what about the Buddhist?

                                                              Its ALWAYS - ALWAYS about the jews, I'm getting SICK of them.

                                                              Kill 20 Black people, and its just murder - Kill ONE jew, and now you have to involve the FBI, because its a racial thing?
                                                              I'm sad to hear this point of view coming from someone who is alive today. Apparently the last 60 years have been for naught.
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                                                              • candidpublishinginc
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by ebus_dk



                                                                SO we should show "equal respect" and do what the jews like? what about the Buddhist?
                                                                I guess you weren't paying much attention in this thread.
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by ebus_dk


                                                                  my God - the Left-wing propagande REALLY took a solid grib in your pants dident it?

                                                                  About 75% of The people that move from Isael to Denmark, never get a job, mostly because they dont want to learn the language, but they dont mind recivint the social benefits.
                                                                  Who gives a shit about Denmark?
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                                                                  • Sly_RJ
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Holy shit. Now that is hilarious. They celebrate Valentine's Day but will not touch Christmas or Easter because they were originally created with a religious meaning? Ahaha!

                                                                    How many people that celebrate Christmas go to church on December 25th every year? Ha!
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Halx


                                                                      I'm sad to hear this point of view coming from someone who is alive today. Apparently the last 60 years have been for naught.
                                                                      no "I" watched and learned, not its time for the rest to learn and move along.

                                                                      "equal respect" is about JUST THAT ; equal respect

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                                                                      • booker
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        How long did it take for the Nazis to overrun Denmark anyway? A week? France at least had a resistance!
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by booker


                                                                          Who gives a shit about Denmark?
                                                                          The people living there, paying the tax to uphold the high living standarts, securing public education for everybody, healthcare and social services

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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by booker
                                                                            How long did it take for the Nazis to overrun Denmark anyway? A week? France at least had a resistance!
                                                                            so when Iraq overran Kuwait, the people of Kuwait were just pussies and weak? what? What about the jewish? If i was to follow your logic; why did they then let Hitler kill all those jews? why? because hitlers army was bigger, and that MIGHT be the same reason why denmark was run over (as the 8 th nation in the war)

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                                                                              #39
                                                                              A swastika is just a catholic cross doing cartwheels.

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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by ebus_dk


                                                                                The people living there, paying the tax to uphold the high living standarts, securing public education for everybody, healthcare and social services
                                                                                So you're telling me that these people can move into your country and immediately start receiving healthcare and other social services at no charge?

                                                                                Hmm...

                                                                                Looks like a loophole your government needs to cover up. Be just as pissed at your government. What kind of economic system does Denmark have? What are your taxes like?

                                                                                Shit like that is why I fear 50% taxes to care for the people. Sure, immigrants. Yay!
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                  So you're telling me that these people can move into your country and immediately start receiving healthcare and other social services at no charge?

                                                                                  Yes

                                                                                  Taxes it the worlds highest (average og more than 60%)


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                                                                                  A few examples -
                                                                                  Residents in Denmark pay from their income labour market contribution 8%, other special contributions 1% and income tax up to 59% "of the last krones". In all the income taxes thus amount up to 68% "of the last krones".

                                                                                  Using the income left over after the income tax, people pay 25% value added tax on all goods and services. Besides the VAT, on all goods are payed "point taxes". The size of the point tax differs from article to article, and no normal citizen has any grasp of this tax type.
                                                                                  So when a resident in Denmark has bought the everyday necessities, his tax has increased to some unknown level more than 76%.

                                                                                  Another example.
                                                                                  A man bying any car, say a used car worth 20,000 krones, must pay a registration fee of 180% besides the value added tax of 25%. In all 205% tax. The 20,000-krones car now costs him 61,000 krones. But to raise the 61,000 krones for the car, he must earn 190,625 krones and pay income tax 129,625 krones, left 61,000 krones. Thus to buy a 20,000-krones car a man must earn 190,625 krones and pay in all 90% in tax.

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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by booker
                                                                                    How long did it take for the Nazis to overrun Denmark anyway? A week? France at least had a resistance!
                                                                                    Does Denmark have a military?

                                                                                    Gee, Nazi Germany against Denmark.

                                                                                    That's like the United States against the former Iraqi regime.

                                                                                    Victory was inevitable.
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Sly_RJ
                                                                                      Holy shit. Now that is hilarious. They celebrate Valentine's Day but will not touch Christmas or Easter because they were originally created with a religious meaning? Ahaha!

                                                                                      How many people that celebrate Christmas go to church on December 25th every year? Ha!
                                                                                      Yeah, well they figure if they let the American kids celebrate Christmas and Easter then they have to try to fit in Quanza (spelling?), Hanukah and every other holiday that the mult-national student body represents.

                                                                                      And before any of you jump on me for using the term American to describe non jews, muslims, etc. I just couldn't think of another word. I didn't use the word christians since Christmas is celebrated by plenty of non christians.
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                                                                                      • booker
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by ebus_dk


                                                                                        so when Iraq overran Kuwait, the people of Kuwait were just pussies and weak? what? What about the jewish? If i was to follow your logic; why did they then let Hitler kill all those jews? why? because hitlers army was bigger, and that MIGHT be the same reason why denmark was run over (as the 8 th nation in the war)
                                                                                        You're an outright idiot.. jewish people didn't have an army, nor a country, at the outset of WWII. Hence, they had no standing army. Jewish people were/are a group due to religion, not to nationalism (until after WWII).

                                                                                        So the Third Reich is building up this huge army and signs a peace treaty with Russia while moving tanks and infantry into Luxemborg and Poland.. and Denmark, with their backs to the sea, not only don't put up a fight but crumble at the knees. Of all people, the Danes should have some bad feelings towards Nazi symbolism.

                                                                                        Iraq didn't "overrun" Kuwait, they put on military pressure to force Kuwait to stop overproducing oil, which they were doing as a result of pressure from the US to increase the world supply and lower the price, hurting other oil producing countries such as Iraq and Saudi.

                                                                                        I guess you haven't taken history in junior high yet.

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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by booker


                                                                                          You're an outright idiot..
                                                                                          so you keep telling me

                                                                                          fucking jew !!

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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by ebus_dk


                                                                                              so you keep telling me

                                                                                              fucking jew !!

                                                                                              Very intelligent, did you read that in the Neo-Nazi propaganda?
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                                                                                              • Machete_
                                                                                                WINNING!
                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                • 14579

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by booker



                                                                                                Very intelligent, did you read that in the Neo-Nazi propaganda?
                                                                                                that is the EXACT reply I expected - as soon as you dont agree with the "sad about the jews" thing, I HAVE to be a NAZI. What the fuck is wrong with people like you? you think im your enemy as soon as I dont agree with you. Im pretty fucking happy guys like you dont get to run countrys, because YOU could be a new Hitler the way you act right now; "burn everybody that we dont like" Does that sound like a thing you have heard before?

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                                                                                                • Fletch XXX
                                                                                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                  • 60840

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  the US has used the swastika on planes before.

                                                                                                  theres a military plane museum here, and its funny to see old US planes with swastikas.

                                                                                                  i think it was an old Phantom f=4 one of the first if not the FIRST plane to no longer have a gun, it was the first missile/rocket jet.

                                                                                                  i like planes.

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                                                                                                  • booker
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jul 2002
                                                                                                    • 1370

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by ebus_dk


                                                                                                    that is the EXACT reply I expected - as soon as you dont agree with the "sad about the jews" thing, I HAVE to be a NAZI. What the fuck is wrong with people like you? you think im your enemy as soon as I dont agree with you. Im pretty fucking happy guys like you dont get to run countrys, because YOU could be a new Hitler the way you act right now; "burn everybody that we dont like" Does that sound like a thing you have heard before?
                                                                                                    Low reading comprehension as well.

                                                                                                    Where did I call you a Nazi?
                                                                                                    Where did I say burn everything that I don't like?

                                                                                                    All I said is that your opinion is worthless because you haven't read your history, and therefore disagreement with me or anyone else is also worthless.
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