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  • Fiddler
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2008
    • 835

    #1

    UK Age Verification

    What's the deal?

    Other than Pornhub and the AgeID tool is anyone else doing something similar?

    UK age laws coming soon right?
  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #2
    Are what Pornhub and AgeID acceptable to the UK government?

    So far all age verification methods require you passing on a copy of documents that could fall into the wrong hands. Will users like that? How can they verify the user isn't a kid using his Dad's passport?

    Will it cover sites like Twitter and Facebook?

    How does it cover people using a VPN or similar?

    The articles I found were very vague on how they will enforce it.

    The UK will block online porn from April. Here's what we know | WIRED UK

    https://www.siliconrepublic.com/ente...t-child-safety

    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...al-Economy-Act

    Of course, it could be a good thing for those with UK traffic. Asking surfers to pay for access is a good way to verify the user.



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    • Fiddler
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2008
      • 835

      #3
      Originally posted by Paul Markham
      Are what Pornhub and AgeID acceptable to the UK government?

      So far all age verification methods require you passing on a copy of documents that could fall into the wrong hands. Will users like that? How can they verify the user isn't a kid using his Dad's passport?

      Will it cover sites like Twitter and Facebook?

      How does it cover people using a VPN or similar?

      The articles I found were very vague on how they will enforce it.

      The UK will block online porn from April. Here's what we know | WIRED UK

      https://www.siliconrepublic.com/ente...t-child-safety

      https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...al-Economy-Act

      Of course, it could be a good thing for those with UK traffic. Asking surfers to pay for access is a good way to verify the user.
      Yer it's hard to say at this stage I guess.

      And you're right the articles are very loose.

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      • NewNick
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2009
        • 7229

        #4
        Originally posted by Paul Markham
        Are what Pornhub and AgeID acceptable to the UK government?

        So far all age verification methods require you passing on a copy of documents that could fall into the wrong hands. Will users like that? How can they verify the user isn't a kid using his Dad's passport?

        Will it cover sites like Twitter and Facebook?

        How does it cover people using a VPN or similar?

        The articles I found were very vague on how they will enforce it.

        The UK will block online porn from April. Here's what we know | WIRED UK

        https://www.siliconrepublic.com/ente...t-child-safety

        https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...al-Economy-Act

        Of course, it could be a good thing for those with UK traffic. Asking surfers to pay for access is a good way to verify the user.
        Ill informed as usual Markham.
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        • CurrentlySober
          Too lazy to wipe my ass
          • Aug 2002
          • 38945

          #5
          Originally posted by Paul Markham
          Are what Pornhub and AgeID acceptable to the UK government?

          So far all age verification methods require you passing on a copy of documents that could fall into the wrong hands. Will users like that? How can they verify the user isn't a kid using his Dad's passport?
          Check out https://www.avsecure.com/

          Free to install and the webmaster to use - Free for the surfer to use, or for highest privacy level, surfer buys a card in newsagent or offlicence and newsagent verifies age at purchase - Then they use the number from that card and tha iDs them.

          No personal data being uploaded at all.


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          • JFK
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            • Jan 2002
            • 67373

            #6
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            • DDUK
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              • Mar 2006
              • 959

              #7
              I'm leaning towards https://www.avsecure.com/ mainly because it's free and I have a shit load of UK targeted sites, I'm already moving most of my sites to mojo to make it easier to transition when the time comes. Hopefully though, it's all a load of bollocks and will never work.

              Being an affiliate there's no way I can afford to pay for each person to be age checked. I'd be bankrupt within a couple of days.

              Also, I'll try and change the sites I can to show no nudity but I'm unsure yet as to what is aloud to be shown, so I'll just wait and see.
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              • ZENRA
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                • Sep 2016
                • 655

                #8
                Originally posted by DDUK
                I'm leaning towards https://www.avsecure.com/ mainly because it's free and I have a shit load of UK targeted sites, I'm already moving most of my sites to mojo to make it easier to transition when the time comes. Hopefully though, it's all a load of bollocks and will never work.

                Being an affiliate there's no way I can afford to pay for each person to be age checked. I'd be bankrupt within a couple of days.

                Also, I'll try and change the sites I can to show no nudity but I'm unsure yet as to what is aloud to be shown, so I'll just wait and see.

                Same here w/ AV Secure. I had a phone call with their owner and they offer a good package for both webmasters and the end-user.

                Still remains to be seen how this will all come into being. How UK will enforce it, will it be enforced right away (or at all...), etc.
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                • NatalieK
                  Natalie K
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 20114

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                  Are what Pornhub and AgeID acceptable to the UK government?

                  So far all age verification methods require you passing on a copy of documents that could fall into the wrong hands. Will users like that? How can they verify the user isn't a kid using his Dad's passport?

                  Will it cover sites like Twitter and Facebook?

                  How does it cover people using a VPN or similar?

                  The articles I found were very vague on how they will enforce it.

                  The UK will block online porn from April. Here's what we know | WIRED UK

                  https://www.siliconrepublic.com/ente...t-child-safety

                  https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...al-Economy-Act

                  Of course, it could be a good thing for those with UK traffic. Asking surfers to pay for access is a good way to verify the user.
                  wondering, as no one has mentioned this to me...

                  is live cam going to be banned too? Freeview, I can imagine being stated as porn, MFC maybe. However, if live cam is paid, the customer has already paid and shown ID, therefore, wouldn´t be banned, or shouldn´t be...
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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942

                    #10
                    Originally posted by NewNick
                    Ill informed as usual Markham.
                    So answer the questions oh wise one.



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                    • Paul Markham
                      Too old to care
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 52942

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DDUK
                      I'm leaning towards https://www.avsecure.com/ mainly because it's free and I have a shit load of UK targeted sites, I'm already moving most of my sites to mojo to make it easier to transition when the time comes. Hopefully though, it's all a load of bollocks and will never work.

                      Being an affiliate there's no way I can afford to pay for each person to be age checked. I'd be bankrupt within a couple of days.

                      Also, I'll try and change the sites I can to show no nudity but I'm unsure yet as to what is aloud to be shown, so I'll just wait and see.
                      Will plain nudity be regarded as porn?



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                      • ianmoone332000
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 1706

                        #12
                        Mindgeeks ageid will be free to UK sites apparently
                        Still the best money making live cam site in the world

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                        • webgurl
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 7954

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ianmoone332000
                          Mindgeeks ageid will be free to UK sites apparently
                          Do you mean UK corps or what do you mean UK "sites" exactly and where is your source?

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                          • NewNick
                            Confirmed User
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 7229

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                            So answer the questions oh wise one.


                            The OP asked if there were other providers - as other posters have already pointed out there are several so I wont bother to repeat them.

                            Whereas you proceeded to raise a bunch of irrelevant questions and posted a load of ill -informed tabloid nonsense which muddied the waters even further.

                            If anyone reading this wants the actual truth here is a link to the actual bill. ( you need section 3 which starts on page 17 ).

                            https://publications.parliament.uk/p...70045_en_3.htm

                            If you take the time to read it Markham, should you be able to muster adequate attention - there are no pretty pictures or your beloved graphs, you will find that you really need to comply or lose any traffic / revenue you generate in the UK.

                            Which of course is not relevant to you.

                            Is it Paul.

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                            • ianmoone332000
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                              • Jun 2014
                              • 1706

                              #15
                              https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/03/...n-tool-for-uk/
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                              • mikeworks
                                Confirmed User
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 272

                                #16
                                Will social networks be subject to the same laws?
                                At a debate on child online safety held in January 2017, several industry representatives voiced concerns that the likes of Twitter are massive purveyors of pornographic material, yet are rarely mentioned in government debates. “My concern is that with Twitter, kids are going there; 13-year-olds can get a Twitter account and they allow hardcore imagery on their site without any checks whatsoever,” said David Cooke, director of digital and new media at Mindgeek.

                                The BBFC's Austin did say the organisation would “ask Twitter to close down an account that had hardcore pornography”, and classed it as an ancillary provider like payment providers, but added that it would not have “the power to compel it and we don't know how Twitter would respond”.
                                One rule for big multi nationals I guess.
                                Last edited by mikeworks; 03-09-2018, 03:09 AM. Reason: edit

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                                • INever
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2005
                                  • 4031

                                  #17
                                  Will the UKgov block sites that don't comply?

                                  Start with porn...and from there...
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                                  • Paul Markham
                                    Too old to care
                                    • Jun 2001
                                    • 52942

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by NewNick
                                    The OP asked if there were other providers - as other posters have already pointed out there are several so I wont bother to repeat them.

                                    Whereas you proceeded to raise a bunch of irrelevant questions and posted a load of ill -informed tabloid nonsense which muddied the waters even further.

                                    If anyone reading this wants the actual truth here is a link to the actual bill. ( you need section 3 which starts on page 17 ).

                                    https://publications.parliament.uk/p...70045_en_3.htm

                                    If you take the time to read it Markham, should you be able to muster adequate attention - there are no pretty pictures or your beloved graphs, you will find that you really need to comply or lose any traffic / revenue you generate in the UK.

                                    Which of course is not relevant to you.

                                    Is it Paul.

                                    It doesn't offer any advice on what method porn sites should use to verify a persons age. So fuck you.

                                    [QUOTE]Internet pornography: requirement to prevent access by persons under the
                                    age of 18

                                    (1)A person must not make pornographic material available on the internet on a
                                    commercial basis to persons in the United Kingdom except in a way that
                                    40secures that, at any given time, the material is not normally accessible by
                                    persons under the age of 18.
                                    Digital Economy BillPage 18

                                    (2)For the purposes of this Part, making pornographic material available on the
                                    internet on a commercial basis includes making it available on the internet free
                                    of charge—
                                    (a)on or via an internet site which is operated on a commercial basis, or
                                    (b)5via any other means of accessing the internet which is operated or
                                    provided on a commercial basis.
                                    (3)The age-verification regulator (see section 17) must publish guidance about—
                                    (a)types of arrangements for making pornographic material available that
                                    the regulator will treat as complying with subsection (1);
                                    (b)10circumstances in which the regulator will treat an internet site or other
                                    means of accessing the internet as operated or provided on a
                                    commercial basis; and
                                    (c)other circumstances in which the regulator will treat making
                                    pornographic material available on the internet as done on a
                                    15commercial basis.
                                    (4)Regulations 17 to 20 and 22 of the Electronic Commerce (EC Directive)
                                    Regulations 2002 (S.I. 2002/2013S.I. 2002/2013) apply in relation to this Part, despite
                                    regulation 3(2) of those Regulations.
                                    (5)For the purposes of this Part—
                                    (a)20making material available on the internet does not include making the
                                    content of an on-demand programme service available on the internet
                                    in the course of providing such a service;
                                    (b)a means of accessing the internet does not include any device or other
                                    equipment for doing so.
                                    (6)25In subsection (5), “on-demand programme service” has the meaning given by
                                    section 368A of the Communications Act 2003.[/QUOTE]

                                    So my questions are still relevant.



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                                    • Bladewire
                                      StraightBro
                                      • Aug 2003
                                      • 56228

                                      #19
                                      Looks like the UK is behind their deadline to role this out and everything is unclear to everyone. They can't, and wont, go out and enforce something that they haven't set standards and means for yet. Total fuckfest


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                                      • MichaelP
                                        Registered User
                                        • Aug 2003
                                        • 7124

                                        #20
                                        As soon as you provide access to any adult material, (Even just a tit), you have to be compliant with the UK legislation upcoming for end of April (We think it might get push back a little though) ...

                                        In a nutshell :

                                        As Site owner, Affiliate, Blogs, etc..
                                        You have to be compliant or ISPs from UK might be obligated to cut your site from UK surfers, and you can also face charges and fines (TBD).

                                        For any ancillary provider (Billing, Ad Network, etc..)
                                        If your client is not complying, you might be asked to cut off your services for that client until they comply.. Which is a lost of your revenues with them.

                                        Ex: Biller : As long as they're not complying, you can't bill their UK traffic anymore... Ad Network, you can't expose their ads to UK surfers... BTW, Ad Networks, hit me up, we have $$ for you


                                        That being said, Alastair (CEO) and Sanjeet from AgeChecked know everything about it, as I'm more on the Marketing and Events Management side for AgeChecked.com, but like most at this stage, I'm still reading and learning. The Regulator himself still have a few questions he can't answer clearly... Dating seams to be still in a grey zone ... Same for the Texts (Vanilla Photo with very Hardcore Text, they don't know yet...).

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                                        • Holy Damage
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Oct 2013
                                          • 996

                                          #21
                                          A few alternatives to Mindgeek monopoly
                                          https://agechecked.org
                                          https://avsecure.com
                                          https://avyourself.com
                                          https://www.yoti.com

                                          also a good reading
                                          https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/23/1...n-law-mindgeek

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                                          • DDUK
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Mar 2006
                                            • 959

                                            #22
                                            So who's going to check the billion websites to see if they have a tit showing or displaying hardcore text?
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                                            • The Porn Nerd
                                              Living The Dream
                                              • Jun 2009
                                              • 19787

                                              #23
                                              Prediction: nothing happens.

                                              Too complicated, unenforceable, drain on resources, unclear regulations, debatable regulations (courts), etc etc.

                                              In the end: nothing, or perhaps some lame toothless "age check" (yes, you simply check a box that says "I'm over 18") to save face and that's it.

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                                              • Cyber Fucker
                                                Hmm
                                                • Sep 2005
                                                • 12642

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by INever
                                                Will the UKgov block sites that don't comply?

                                                Start with porn...and from there...
                                                ...and then, legit mainstream businesses that they will be bribed or pressured to take down by various monopolies, corpos etc. etc and ending on their political rivals.

                                                The same old story as always.

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                                                • mikeworks
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                  • 272

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by MichaelP
                                                  Same for the Texts (Vanilla Photo with very Hardcore Text, they don't know yet...).
                                                  They would have to ban Mills and Boon style books surely as well if that is the case!

                                                  It is beyond idiotic measure. It did not take much for the masses to find out about ways to stream Hollywood movies using Android boxes. Once word spreads you can install Tor browser just like Chrome and watch free porn again, thing is a massive waste of time.

                                                  I can understand parents not wanting their youngsters to see some of the stuff on these tubes. But, why does everyone else has to do the job they should be doing. It's easy fix, don't allow them a smartphone and monitor their computer use when doing homework. Besides that no internet! They will probably grow up much healthier without any of this social media sharing bullshit.

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                                                  • SpicyM
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Aug 2006
                                                    • 4575

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by mikeworks
                                                    I can understand parents not wanting their youngsters to see some of the stuff on these tubes. But, why does everyone else has to do the job they should be doing. It's easy fix, don't allow them a smartphone and monitor their computer use when doing homework. Besides that no internet! They will probably grow up much healthier without any of this social media sharing bullshit.

                                                    I completely agree.

                                                    These days, most young parents are dumb and their kids fucking spoiled.
                                                    no sig, sorry

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                                                    • Denny
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 17393

                                                      #27
                                                      https://www.xbiz.com/news/234173/u-k...on-regulations

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                                                      • NatalieK
                                                        Natalie K
                                                        • Apr 2010
                                                        • 20114

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by ianmoone332000
                                                        Mindgeeks ageid will be free to UK sites apparently
                                                        Originally posted by ianmoone332000
                                                        interesting, thanks
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                                                        • sojproductions
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                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                          • 2160

                                                          #29
                                                          More on the delay until later in the year: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...porn-websites/
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                                                          • Konda
                                                            ...
                                                            • Apr 2003
                                                            • 2280

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Holy Damage
                                                            I think most people would verify their ID only once. Let's say a UK user goes to Pornhub and gets presented with MindGeek's solution and goes to the trouble of verifying his age, and the next time he goes to another site that uses some other company, he will most likely say "fuck it I'm not going through this again", and he will just go back to Pornhub (or any other site that uses MindGeek's solution).


                                                            MindGeek has so much traffic themselves and has a solution ready to put live on all their high traffic properties as soon as the requirements go in effect, so I think if you will use another solution the chance that the user already verified through MindGeek's solution and doesn't want to go through verification again and leaves your site is pretty big.

                                                            I think the other solutions only have a chance if they get some huge sites to use them and start verifying users before MG starts.


                                                            On the other hand, it is not even announced yet how the age verification should work exactly, sho who knows
                                                            https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...porn-websites/

                                                            The Government has delayed plans to introduce age checks on pornography websites amid fears they could be watered down.

                                                            Adult websites were due to verify that visitors are over 18 from next month, under laws set out in last year’s Digital Economy Act. However, the newly-appointed regulator, the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), is yet to reveal how the checks should work.

                                                            Over the weekend the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) said it now hoped the measures would be in place by the end of the year.

                                                            It added that the guidelines will be subject to a consultation and must be voted on by MPs, raising the possibility they could be challenged by opponents of the measures.

                                                            A DCMS spokesman said: "We are making age verification compulsory for commercial porn sites, as part of our work to make the internet a safer place for children. But we need to take the time to make sure we get it right if it's going to work, and it will come into effect later this year."

                                                            The BBFC is set to announce its guidelines, such as what methods can be used to prove somebody’s age, in the coming weeks. They will then be consulted on and must be approved by parliament. They will then not come into force for at least three months later, which the Government said could take until the end of the year.

                                                            Pornography websites that fail to introduce the checks face being blocked by broadband providers.

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                                                            • Tubevideditor
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Sep 2013
                                                              • 352

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Konda
                                                              I think most people would verify their ID only once. Let's say a UK user goes to Pornhub and gets presented with MindGeek's solution and goes to the trouble of verifying his age, and the next time he goes to another site that uses some other company, he will most likely say "fuck it I'm not going through this again", and he will just go back to Pornhub (or any other site that uses MindGeek's solution).


                                                              MindGeek has so much traffic themselves and has a solution ready to put live on all their high traffic properties as soon as the requirements go in effect, so I think if you will use another solution the chance that the user already verified through MindGeek's solution and doesn't want to go through verification again and leaves your site is pretty big.

                                                              I think the other solutions only have a chance if they get some huge sites to use them and start verifying users before MG starts.

                                                              Very true but it *could* work the other way.
                                                              For some (pay)site owners, it could be good to get rid of the freeloaders who have no intention of buying (those verified by Mindgeek).

                                                              I'd rather a smaller number of verified users who are willing to pay using a different AV system. If lots of paysites use the same system, even better as theres a chance for upsells from each other.

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                                                              • NewNick
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Mar 2009
                                                                • 7229

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Tubevideditor
                                                                Very true but it *could* work the other way.
                                                                For some (pay)site owners, it could be good to get rid of the freeloaders who have no intention of buying (those verified by Mindgeek).

                                                                I'd rather a smaller number of verified users who are willing to pay using a different AV system. If lots of paysites use the same system, even better as theres a chance for upsells from each other.
                                                                One thing everyone seems to miss is that dramatic effect this will have on all the "traffic" broking companies.

                                                                The quality of "traffic" from the majority of these places is frankly criminally poor.

                                                                When this law eventually makes it into the wild these companies will be held to account. The millions of hits they all claim to be able to deliver will suddenly disappear.

                                                                A bot cannot verify its age.
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                                                                • Paul Markham
                                                                  Too old to care
                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                  • 52942

                                                                  #33
                                                                  However, the newly-appointed regulator, the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), is yet to reveal how the checks should work.

                                                                  The BBFC is set to announce its guidelines, such as what methods can be used to prove somebody’s age, in the coming weeks. They will then be consulted on and must be approved by parliament. They will then not come into force for at least three months later, which the Government said could take until the end of the year.
                                                                  Hi New Nick. Seems I was right and you are a dumb arse.



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                                                                  • NickBaer
                                                                    Nick Baer
                                                                    • Jun 2005
                                                                    • 1393

                                                                    #34
                                                                    I posted in Webmaster Q & Fuckin' A yesterday:

                                                                    https://www.xbiz.com/news/234173/u-k...on-regulations

                                                                    https://avn.com/business/articles/le...es-767398.html

                                                                    What I was at TES Lisbon/Cascais last weekend, the impression was that there were too many loose ends.

                                                                    Then this week, on the news, worry about Cyber-hacking of customer (age verification) data.

                                                                    I think there are big worries in the UK population that their personal data - used for age verification - will be hacked.

                                                                    The UK and EU have added Privacy rules, but I think most people don't trust the Internet itself as having the security necessary to keep personal data secure.

                                                                    Until the British government figures that out, the people will say "no" to this.

                                                                    If and when enacted, this would be a huge burden for webmasters around the world, despite a half-dozen sharp companies ready to be the middlemen.
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                                                                    • NewNick
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Mar 2009
                                                                      • 7229

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                      Hi New Nick. Seems I was right and you are a dumb arse.
                                                                      Really Paul ?

                                                                      What exactly were you right about ?
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                                                                      • NickBaer
                                                                        Nick Baer
                                                                        • Jun 2005
                                                                        • 1393

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Here's another alternative press story:

                                                                        https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/03/1...source=Twitter
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                                                                        • desmoines
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                                                                          • Jun 2014
                                                                          • 948

                                                                          #37
                                                                          .


                                                                          https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/12/...-verification/

                                                                          UK delays mandatory age verification on porn sites

                                                                          It's now expected adult sites won't have to put up age gates until the end of the year.

                                                                          Ever since the Digital Economy Act became UK law this time last year, we've known there would come a time when porn sites would be compelled to verify the age of British visitors to ensure they're only letting adults in. Not long after, the UK's digital minister set a deadline of April 2018, at which point porn sites would have to comply or face the consequences. We had assumed everything was on track, but the UK government has admitted we're nowhere near ready to police porn sites, and now it expects age verification won't be enforceable until the end of the year.

                                                                          The UK's Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport announced over the weekend the recipients of a £25 million ($35ish million) pot earmarked for 5G projects. The fund will support trials of 5G-equipped drones geared for "smart farming," internet of things things in healthcare applications and autonomous vehicle tech, among other research. Curiously, the government slipped into this release an admission that we don't yet have clear guidelines drawn up for porn sites to follow, and so mandatory age verification will be delayed until these sites know what's expected of them.

                                                                          The British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), which decides the age ratings for movies, games and music videos, recently took on the additional role of porn regulator. The BBFC will be able to fine sites that don't introduce age checks up to £250,000 (around $346,000) or up to 5 percent of their turnover. Additionally, it can order ISPs to block sites and even tell service providers, such as those that process payments or manage on-site advertising, to stop working with sites not adhering to the rules. Social networks will also have a responsibility to mute the voices of non-compliant peddlers.

                                                                          We knew the BBFC was likely to take on this extra job as far back as 2016, but it was only officially appointed in the new regulatory role last month. That's the main reason for the delay: The BBFC is just now writing the guidelines porn sites and their service providers will have to follow. These will be published towards the end of this month in draft form, so the industry and anyone else with an opinion can comment on them. When it seems like a best-fit solution has been reached, the government then has to voice its approval before giving porn sites three months to get ready to implement age verification tools. This is all expected to come to a conclusion before the end of the year, but as with all things government, the process could very well drag on for longer.

                                                                          A big part of what the BBFC has to figure out is what forms of age verification will be appropriate. "We expect to see a number of solutions offered by providers to give people different ways to verify their age," an FAQ on the BBFC website states. The owner of Pornhub and many other adult sites, Mindgeek, recently detailed the system it intends to use. AgeID is an encrypted login that can work across any site, meaning someone only has to verify their age once to get into any site that uses the same tool. Apparently it doesn't store any personal information, just the data it needs to tell a site: Yes, this visitor is over 18.

                                                                          Mindgeek isn't just planning to use AgeID across its own brands. It intends to license the tool out to other sites and let smaller, independent providers use it for free. There is the question of whether one huge porn distributor should dictate how every UK-facing site checks age, but that's exactly the kind of thing the BBFC should be looking at. As you can imagine, a lot of people aren't happy about mandatory age verification in general. The worry is that any mechanism will leave a digital trail, meaning your personal porn habits are cataloged... somewhere -- one of the benefits of Mindgeek's AgeID tool is that it follows you around so you don't have to log in to every individual site. And if a record exists, how can we be sure this remains private and secure?

                                                                          In that sense, the BBFC is likely glad to have more time to get its ducks in a row and the industry in agreement. Between now and whenever age verification eventually becomes mandatory, perhaps it will allay the public's fears by being transparent about how exactly age checking systems are going to work in practice.

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                                                                          • NickBaer
                                                                            Nick Baer
                                                                            • Jun 2005
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Even though the 6 or so Age Verification sites were prepared to share results with each other, I never did hear how that was going to look to the surfer on his/her first visit to any of my sites.
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                                                                            • NickBaer
                                                                              Nick Baer
                                                                              • Jun 2005
                                                                              • 1393

                                                                              #39


                                                                              This was the UK Age Verification panel at TES Lisbon Cascais last weekend. The fellow with the beard in the middle is Barry from the BBFC, the Regulator.

                                                                              The other speakers represent the companies ready to do the age verification. The fellow with the shaved head on the right is from Mind Geek's Age Verification product. Mind Geek claims to control 50% of worldwide adult content and traffic.

                                                                              The fellow next to him. on the far right, is Stephen Winyard, of AV Secure.
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                                                                              • Cyber Fucker
                                                                                Hmm
                                                                                • Sep 2005
                                                                                • 12642

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Mindgeek surely controls a lot but I doubt it's anything close to 50% at this moment.

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                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                  • 52942

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Affiliates and webmaster. Do a deal with a VPN to mask the British surfers' location and make it look like they are living elsewhere.

                                                                                  Simple solution and one you can make a bit of money out of.



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                                                                                  • DDUK
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                                                                                    • Mar 2006
                                                                                    • 959

                                                                                    #42


                                                                                    It's people like this who's been pushing for this because they see ££ signs, fuck all to do with protecting kids.

                                                                                    They all look dodgy fuckers.

                                                                                    I wonder if they're still smiling now there's a chance it's gonna to go tits up.
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                                                                                    • Denny
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                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                      • 17393

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Cyber Fucker
                                                                                      Mindgeek surely controls a lot but I doubt it's anything close to 50% at this moment.

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                                                                                      • Cyber Fucker
                                                                                        Hmm
                                                                                        • Sep 2005
                                                                                        • 12642

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                        Affiliates and webmaster. Do a deal with a VPN to mask the British surfers' location and make it look like they are living elsewhere.

                                                                                        Simple solution and one you can make a bit of money out of.

                                                                                        How would you propose to accomplish that? Sounds like something impossible in practice In theory I can see some possible ways... but that's just theoretical.
                                                                                        It's different kind of story on the server side and different on the user/client side.

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                                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                          • 52942

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Cyber Fucker
                                                                                          How would you propose to accomplish that? Sounds like something impossible in practice In theory I can see some possible ways... but that's just theoretical.
                                                                                          It's different kind of story on the server side and different on the user/client side.
                                                                                          A banner with a link that sells/sends the user to a VPN site. The site sends the surfer straight back to you after the deal is done on the VPN site.



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                                                                                          • NewNick
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                                                                                            • Mar 2009
                                                                                            • 7229

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                            A banner with a link that sells/sends the user to a VPN site. The site sends the surfer straight back to you after the deal is done on the VPN site.
                                                                                            Is that a magic link Paul ?
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                                                                                            • 2MuchMark
                                                                                              Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                              • 50977

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by MichaelP
                                                                                              As soon as you provide access to any adult material, (Even just a tit), you have to be compliant with the UK legislation upcoming for end of April (We think it might get push back a little though) ...

                                                                                              In a nutshell :

                                                                                              As Site owner, Affiliate, Blogs, etc..
                                                                                              You have to be compliant or ISPs from UK might be obligated to cut your site from UK surfers, and you can also face charges and fines (TBD).

                                                                                              For any ancillary provider (Billing, Ad Network, etc..)
                                                                                              If your client is not complying, you might be asked to cut off your services for that client until they comply.. Which is a lost of your revenues with them.

                                                                                              Ex: Biller : As long as they're not complying, you can't bill their UK traffic anymore... Ad Network, you can't expose their ads to UK surfers... BTW, Ad Networks, hit me up, we have $$ for you


                                                                                              That being said, Alastair (CEO) and Sanjeet from AgeChecked know everything about it, as I'm more on the Marketing and Events Management side for AgeChecked.com, but like most at this stage, I'm still reading and learning. The Regulator himself still have a few questions he can't answer clearly... Dating seams to be still in a grey zone ... Same for the Texts (Vanilla Photo with very Hardcore Text, they don't know yet...).

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                                                                                              • Cyber Fucker
                                                                                                Hmm
                                                                                                • Sep 2005
                                                                                                • 12642

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                A banner with a link that sells/sends the user to a VPN site. The site sends the surfer straight back to you after the deal is done on the VPN site.
                                                                                                Alright then, it could work this way, but... how will a potential visitor see my site when it's blocked on the UK ISP's DNS?
                                                                                                If a person is already using VPN then he or she is not in need for another one...

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                                                                                                • Cyber Fucker
                                                                                                  Hmm
                                                                                                  • Sep 2005
                                                                                                  • 12642

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Hmm.. I read on https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...ine_behaviour/ that :

                                                                                                  ...the estimated cost to large ISPs of blocking sites – on the assumption that this would be for between 1 and 50 sites a year on a DNS level – is in the range of £100,000 to £500,000, which they said would cover a system update to include the BBFC's chosen porn sites.
                                                                                                  50 sites blocked for £100k or more, wow... that sounds like an impossible job then to block all smaller sites, it would cost more to block a site, than actual earnings of a smaller site.

                                                                                                  And I imagine that if somehow ISP was able to do it cheaper way and get to work a huge list of domains it would slow down user experience of the Internet as whole, as all the traffic queries would need to go through some kind of system, it will screw the latency of the UK Internet users, and for some people like for example gamers, latency is very important key factor. Sometimes it's a difference between win or loose in fast paced multiplayer games.. This is madness.

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                                                                                                  • MichaelP
                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                                                                    • 7124

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                    Affiliates and webmaster. Do a deal with a VPN to mask the British surfers' location and make it look like they are living elsewhere.

                                                                                                    Simple solution and one you can make a bit of money out of.
                                                                                                    So if I get this right, you're publicly suggesting to webmasters to do something borderline illegal ?

                                                                                                    There are several ways to comply legally, without running over or around the law.

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