So do think the Government should protect every public place with properly armed guards like they have at airports?

You do realise that you as a taxpayer would fund it. Or are you in favour of taxing guns so the gun owners pay for it?

Another stupid statement from 12clunks.

Would you go rushing into a building that had semi-automatic fire coming from it, armed with a pistol?

There are a lot of dead heroes who accomplished nothing.

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Don't forget malls, stadiums from the largest to the smallest and anywhere that may get hit by a dumb ass with a gun. Don't move the problem from schools to other public places. Remover the problem altogether. Take guns out of the hands of all but qualify to use them.

Innocent till proven guilty is the law of the land.

Not in your country. Your country states guilty until proven innocent based on 'maximum probability' that they committed the crime.

You're a foreigner, in a foreign country, telling me I have to think your lord Trump is innocent until the slow wheels of justice do their thing officially. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The judge and jury have to maintain innocent until proven guilty nobody else. You have Trump lying all day everyday calling real news fake, that should be a crime.

How anyone could stay outside, hearing gunshots and people screaming for four minutes, with a gun at his side (ANY kind of gun) and not rush in and try to do something is beyond me. It's cowardice, plain and simple. But many, many police officers and armed guards, while being highly trained in the use of firearms, never actually unholster their weapon for any reason while on duty.

So it's understandable cowardice but it's still cowardice. Fuck procedure.

He was not defending him. He is basically saying that armed guards are not a solution.

You wouldn't understand.

You do know who you are arguing with ?

How this cock sucker is not in jail never ceases to amaze me.

Few people have rinsed more cards in the history of internet billing than your boy 12 clicks.

Now openly touting for chat traffic FFS.

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Kevin Vickers.

Google him.

How you propose to get them out of the hands of criminals?

You will just be taking them mostly from law-abiding citizens who will now be sitting ducks for criminals.

If you disarm the general populace in the US the crime rate will increase drastically.




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Law enforcement agencies have been complaining for years about these assault rifles and how they are out gunned. Now you are outraged a close to retirement cop won't run in with a hand gun to confront someone with superior fire power

You gun nuts are more concerned with your 2nd amendment right than you are with kids being safe, and yet expect someone else to rush in and die for your kid!

The system failed this kid and, the kids he killed on multiple levels. The deputy was in one heck of a situation but, he helped put himself there.

This same deputy was warned by other students about this kid. He did nothing. The Sherrif's office received 18 phone calls about this kid wanting to "Shoot up the school." They did nothing. At the same time, the school wanted to cut down the number of arrests going on at their school. They tried to baker act him but, wouldn't have him arrested. The entire system failed here.

This deputy was hired to protect the school from situations like this. Why have him there if he wasn't equipped or, willing to do that? The pistol he carried had 15 rounds. It fired as fast as he could pull the trigger, the same with an AR 15. In fairness, the deputy wouldn't have known if the AR 15 had a "bumpstock" to make it rapid fire. Trump immediately suggested that "bumpstocks" should be banned. Btw, the first two cops coming in for back up, also hid just like the deputy. It was the Coral Springs police that came in and, took care of things like they are paid to do. Broward County Sheriff department has a lot of explaining to do. The Sheriff immediately and, pretty brutally threw the deputy under the bus and, called him a disgrace for not entering the school and, his neglect of not reporting the warnings about the shooter.

1. All guns should be more difficult to get. They are selling them at flea markets. No one would disagree that putting politics aside and, dealing with keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill would be bad. Just like people who don't want porn in the hands of minors, responsible gun owners don't want lunatics running around with weapons.

2. The political rants, trying to slant it to one side or the other, using it for a reason to hate Trump is absurd.

3. The exploitation of the kids who survived this is shocking. These kids are being coached. CNN actually set up a scripted town hall meeting. It is nuts and, unfair to everyone, especially these kids.

4. What, in the 19 years since Columbine what was done in the way of preventative measures?

In the situation of schools, it doesn't have to be the same type of security of an airport. Just imagine the emotional damage of having to go through a TSA check point every day. But, there are better security measures that can be taken, much better. Steps toward this should have been taken 19 years ago, after Columbine. I am not a fan of raising taxes when so many tax dollars are wasted on our government being basically incompetent. In this case, parents will have to accept school levies for our kids to be safe. They are sitting ducks right now. The outrage here should be at the system in Broward County. The more information that comes out, the more shocking it is. Forget about the repeated calls to the FBI about this kid, the sheriff station received 18 complaints. No one did anything. The school tried to have the kid baker acted. There is plenty of blame to go around. But, to your point, yes, parents should be willing to accept an expensive school levy to put dummy proof measures in place for the next time both the federal and, local government act like absolute idiots.

Every police officer carries a similar weapon in their trunk.. That's a huge myth.

Have any of you pussy defenders wanting to take other peoples guns thought about the fact that this police officers job is to serve and protect yet he did not? So you think everyone should just call the police, get shot and wait for the police to process your dead body/crime scene? What if our military all said in the middle of a gun fight said, "I don't think I want to get shot at today so I'm gonna just hang back"

This is an officer who had been on the force for long enough to retire. How many other people have died due to his inaction? He would also highly qualify as an officer that would gun you down in an instant for reaching to grab your insurance papers.

I'm also getting caught up on them pointing a finger at just him.. Their fall guy... He wasn't the only one. There were 3 others that did the same.

Also think about the fact that this officer is now being guarded by 6 other officers.. Protecting their own... But not your kids.

The people behind this gun grab agenda don't want anyone to be able to defend themselves period. In fact they are willing to go as far as allowing a bunch of kids in a school be shot up, when they could have stopped it to make sure of that.. Little by little, gun by gun, school after school if they have to.

^^^ Mocks children that are the victims of a school mass murder

Let's hope something like this happens to you and the people closest to you so you can better relate to what they've gone through

It takes a court of law to decide, they start at innocent until proven guilty.

That's not what I asked.

No this debate is about reducing these type of shootings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._United_States this doesn't include children

https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/cirp-gun-safety

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/19/healt...udy/index.html

Kids and Guns: Shootings Now Third Leading Cause of Death for U.S. Children

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_vi..._United_States

Stopping criminals getting arms is another problem.

How does disarming the populace lead to a better defence? We have a burglar alarm.

The incompetence continues. It wasn't only the first officer that refused to go into the school. The next two that showed up took cover and, did nothing as well. 3 grown men who were getting paid to protect people, hid behind their cars and, listened to children getting murdered. It was the much smaller police division of Coral Springs that showed up, went it and, stopped the killing. Anyone counting on Broward County to protect their children that day were heartbroken in the most unimaginable way. People in Coral Springs and, Florida lawmakers are calling for the sheriff (The one who was just on CNN blaming the NRA) to step down. A former sheriff from NYC has come out and, said that he believes that the Broward County Sheriff depart ment should be held criminally responsible for their neglect. So, yes, to your point, counting on law enforcement seems a little hopeless these days. As I am sure you know, it isn't just their refusal to go into the school. They ignored numerous calls, one of them from a family member of the shooter, expressing concern that he would do something like this. They were called on frequent domestic violence calls but never arrested him or, tried to baker act him. They did nothing. Not just on this day but for years preceding.

Why not something similar. Armed highly trained police officers or Ex combat marines to guard schools. Systems to ensure that no unauthorised people, especially those identified as having a problem, are allowed to enter a school, bulletproof windows. All funded by those who buy guns? Far more expensive and less secure than reducing the number of guns in the hands of the general public.

Don't use this incident to cover all the school incidents involving firearms. Include those where a child took a gun into a school, that shows the extent of the problem in America.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...States#1990 s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...21st _century

It's getting worse.

https://www.man-pack.com/products/bu...SAAEgLEFfD_BwE

https://i.imgur.com/6h6PeCG.jpg

This is clear.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Guns are now sold to anyone be they in a well-regulated militia or not.

Security of a free State. What does this mean? Back in 1791 it meant in case the British came back, Indians, Mexicans, bandits, bears, mountain lions threatened you. Does not apply to today. Does it mean if the government is taken over by people who are in it more for themselves than the people? Too late on that, Americans gave up on that a long time ago. Does it mean a well-armed militia in terms of the general public taking control against well trained, well-armed professionals soldiers? With the firepower, no citizen can match?

The 2nd amendment is outdated. https://study.com/academy/lesson/the...stitution.html

Must I remind you that America had a civil war over this?

How did it effect Native Americans?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal...e_Constitution

https://www.encyclopedia.com/politic...d-constitution

https://history.stackexchange.com/qu...ndence-factual

The Constitution is not written on stone and was intended to be adjusted to the times of the day.