reality check for those with kids in school

Do yourself a favor and just shut the fuck up.

There is a reason that the NRA gets to control the debate over guns $$$$$$.

Americans who are anti-gun control are prepared to pay politicians to keep the status quo. Americans who want change are not prepared to pay for changes. They want them but in politics $$$$ rule and if you want change. Pay for it, your vote isn't worth shit.

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Last year my wife and I were picking up my daughter at her high school for lunch. We were in my Jeep in the parking lot in the first row, and we were watching my daughter walk through the grass between the office and the parking lot when shots rang out. I am a Marine, I own firearms; I know what gunshots sound like. My daughter looked at us with this puzzling look. Five or six seconds later the school announcement system went on saying the school was on emergency lock down. My kid just froze dead in her tracks not knowing what to do.

Nothing will put the fear of god in a parent more than this situation.

It turns out it was a police shooting at a fast food restaurant a few blocks away.

Something needs to be done here. It's so much more than protecting kids in school. It's people in shopping malls, at the movies, at church....

Security at schools is not the answer. If I recall correctly the Sandy Hook Elementary School had advanced security protocols in place. The only way to be admitted into the school was after a visual and ID screening through a video monitor. The gunman got past that and shot everyone in the office. My kid's middle school has a similar system with a huge metal fence around the school but anyone can pull their car right up to the fence, climb on the car, and jump right over it.

There are simple solutions to this. The first step is outlawing assault rifles that shoot 180 rounds per minute, such as the AR15 does. NO ONE outside of the military needs to shoot 180 rounds per minute.

There is so much more we can do also. We can restrict firearms to people over twenty-one years of age - if we cannot trust them to drink responsibly, we shouldn't trust them to own firearms. Anyone on a terrorist watch list should not be able to own a firearm - this is common sense. We need to fix our mental health system and people such as this nineteen year old kid can get help, and make it free. We need better screening, more restrictions on purchasing firearms, and so forth.

Something needs to be done.

I'm not really tuned into the gun debates. the reality is this a new world and it is a new dangerous would. all public areas now need to be guarded. central areas of the cites where people can walk need to be protected from cars running thought them... that's the new reality Richard, and you know what? my daughter is a school teacher okay? like 2nd or 3rd grade maybe, so I might have more vested interest in this than you? I'm not sure but as we are both parents, email your repesentives like I did.

tell then time for talk is over. every news conference about gun regulation and schools is a nail in the coffin of some kid. all that talk is just exciting to the assholes, on both side but NOTHING is getting done! time is killing kids.

save the kids first and foremost THEN enjoy yourself arguing with a bunch assholes for brownie point... gezz what a bunch of tools. I don't want my daughter to be killed because it was fun for a bunch of jerksoffs to get on TV

how do you land on that? send an email? tell your friends, fuck the wall, guard the schools! there ya go a ready made slogan! anytime wasted not guarding the kids is killing a kid... you see that? you said you were a marine, think in military terms of target vulnerability with the certainty of an attack, just not when... you see? this is serious shit lol

how many guards would it take to be effective?...if theres 2-3 of them in a group the would-be-shooter could mow them down first...

it would take at least 5-10 armed guards/school...

The AR15 is technically not an assault rifle as far as military classification goes. And I doubt there are many poeple that can pull the trigger on one 3 times a second without modification. A standard semi-automatic hunting rifle has the same firing action as an AR15.



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Dude 1 trained guard per access point is enough to cut down the epidemic. No one is saying it will cure it for the rest of time. A lot of these kids or shooters will be scared off. You are talking like most these kids are Navy Seals or something. The majority are scared pussies who will never do it if they know there are armed guards

This will never end.

We can have this argument all day long.

The AR-15 is an assault rifle. It's the same exact rifle as the M16A2 - the only differences are a shorter barrel and the selector switch. Most of the parts are interchangeable.

Fine, call it an assault "weapon": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Same thing.

murders per 100.000 (less is better)


United States 4.88
Kazakhstan 4.84
Cuba 4.72
Marshall Islands 4.68
Micronesia, Fed. Sts. 4.67
Rwanda 4.51
Niger 4.47

Armed guards are not an answer either.

In this case, we are talking about a large campus with three thousand kids and a dozen or so entry points. Even if you could cover every entry point.... Anyone can jump the fence at any time with an assault rifle (sorry, "assault weapon"). You can have a dozen officers on campus at all times, and all they would be able to do is respond to a shooting. The majority of the killing is done in the first two minutes.

We can't afford to pay our teachers - how are we going to afford to pay armed guards?

Of course, this doesn't protect us at malls or churches or when we go to the movies.

We have a huge problem with safety in our schools! there's Asian parents with four-wheel drive vehicles, gotta watch out for those or your dead. And there's the ongoing dilemma's with unhealthy food in school canteens, sadly pies are being removed en masse.

sorry op you can get killed anywhere. i made it through school. lots of fights no shootings on campus. my kids made it through school. they didn't get in trouble like i did.

Ok, go ahead and call it whatever you want. The media calls it an "assault rifle" purely for propaganda purposes. You can too I guess.

And it's not really the exact same rifle as the M16A2 is it? You feel that the selector switch is a minor difference but in reality that selector switch is the difference between semi-automatic and fully-automatic. And it's not as simple as just having a selector switch - there are other mechanical differences that allow automatic firing.

What you are really advocating is banning semi-automatic rifles of all types - including hunting ones because they can be used in the exact same fashion as an AR15.

FYI - we have pretty strict gun laws in Canada but you can still buy semi-auto hunting rifles and yes you can even buy an AR15 and similar guns. Can you buy them as easily? No not a chance. But people do have them.

I'm not really arguing either in favour or against guns. I think the US definitely has a problem on its hands. But you have to admit the media is twisting the facts about the argument that is occurring.



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