No lenny Sir, you are missing my point and yes it does help them when they have my content just like it helps when they have your feed too, which by the way I hear is an excellent product. I always loved the SoCal shit....

But really my point was about the SuperMPG fileand how it helps in all areas. The SuperMPG file is big in frame size and small in file size.

SuperMPG

And all the ways big guys use to trick people to sign up when if they just served really good compressed files there would not be a problem.

I can only speak for myself and my sites -
I gave up free trials years ago - I also gave up paying per sign up too at the same time.

Last September, I gave up trials - And you know what? My sales went through the fucking roof!

I sell now on "save 10$ a month on recurring membership" And I am getting twice the sales I ever had on "Join now for 2.95.

At 2,95 I was getting X sales a day and 50% cancellation BEFORE entering the members area.

Now, I get 2x X plus 10 times the amount of non-recurring members and 50% upsell from the latter to recurring!

Retention is rocking and I am sort of pleased about that!

Ahh Hooper, I can always count on you for giving me a giggle. When you feel a bitch needs a slap, there you are :1orglaugh

Anyways, Hooper you can just do this in your stats. Show the subscription number from each sale in your stats (if you dont already). That way an affiliate can join your site at anytime to check that their subscription number is there. I use 3 processors (with another one being added next month), and thats how I do it :Graucho

Just put in some basic audit trail, and boom, all is forgiven (and honest).

And as I said earlier, my comments are generic, and cannot fit every situation.

Note to self:
1. Build paysite.
2. get SoBeGirl conent.
3. check bank acount.
4. retire

Easy as 1 2 3 :glugglug

Excellent:

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Note to self: Never buy anything from Sobegirl.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hey Dan..I am not familiar with you or your program, but i am interested in HOW you track affiliate sales...with cookies or...?

By being honest?

Madball please take Equidork's dick out of your ass.

Thank-you.

We detail each and every sale and rebill with the full subscription number

That way if one of my affiliates wants to see if I am shaving, all they need do is sign up (which will be refunded of course) to see if we present the sale or not (and of course they can get friends to sign up from anywhere in the world, and we will refund that too).

Maybe a good idea for your new bililng system you are building

If you ever need any ideas, check out my billing systems at http://www.MultiBill.com/

Maybe if everyone and their mother didn't have a TGP each hosting tons of free porn maybe $70 payouts would still exist.. The fact stands, the market is saturated with free porn.

this could not be truer... trials suck, period. w/ broadband becoming more pervasive, and surfers getting more savvy to the tricks and fine print some webmasters/programs rely on, trials just don't make much sense for paysites that have large amounts of downloadable content within... i tried offering trials for one week a very long time ago, and all i got was near to no regular signups that week, and a stack of quickly cancelled trials.. :2 cents:

Nothing changed in the economy in regards to porn; now people know how to use the Internet more effectively and with so much porn available at no cost, why would they pay for it.

I would dearly love to get rid of free trials. The bottom line is though, that as long as affiliates want $35 for a $2.95 trial, trials will be around forever

Sucks but true

Hmm...The thing is in my case the amount I make on a revshare program or $35 PPS is about the same for the same number of signups per month.

There are one or two PPS programs I have been able to test and find that they do not shave. The revenues and ratios are virtually identical to a 60% revshare cut.

Would having streaming capabilities instead of downloadable content keep users on longer?

that way, they can see what they want, but they cant download it at all..

says the guy with a tgp? in his sig...

Less free porn, less tgp = more money.

Remember 5 years ago when there was Much less surfers and almost no tgp's ?

That was like surfing on a sea of gold...

You said an awful lot and still didn't answer the question Elvis asked you.
HOW do you track your affiliates sales? Cookies? PHP sessions? Query string? Something else?

Just server files that stream real time and play on any computer anywhere (The MPG) format and make your money. Users expect more. They expect files like this.... Big and clear and stream right away. And they wont be fooled by tours that have them and when they see the members are they all have small shitty files.

YOu need these....

SuperMPG

That's a really bs excuse... cascading exist since... a whoopy 6 months. I don't remember seeing ANY sponsor using more than one processor 1-2-3 years ago. It was Ibill all the way for everyone, so gimme a break with that lame wannabe reason.

Even Epoch is used since 10 months max.

Deal with it. It's not changing.

A sponsor needs to figure out exactly what they make off of each surfer.

First, if have an original site with original contnet and a real member's area, members will retain. If I pay you $35 for one member and he stays three months, I've made money. Then factor in upsells from live chat, sex toys, and what not. Then factor in that I have that member's email address knowing he's already signed up for a pay site and I'll send him a few emails and make more money off of him.

How much money can I make off of one surfer who's signed up for my site? $200? $300? $400????

You are very wrong.....lol

We have been using cascading billing for a very long time.

:)

Most big programs have been cascading for a long time dude. And every processor has different API's... and quite often that subscription or transaction number would not be appropriate to share because it would reveal confidential customer information.

I'm sure dan will sit here and beat this dead horse because he apparently offers some kind of subscription number in his revshare stats. Hats off to ya dan, hope it works well.

A program can pay $35 per sign-up with little to no trouble.

100 signups X $35 payout = $3500 paid to webmasters

100 signups X $1.95 = $195

35% trial to conversion (average across processors)

35 x $39.95 = $1398.25

After the trial, members will retain 3 months on average, give or take a few cancelations so we will say

25 x 3 = 75 x $39.95 = $2996.25

Let's figure that an extra 25 over the 3 months will drop out leaving us with 50 sign-ups to rebill. Just for the sake of a shitty site.

25 x 2 = 50 x $39.95 = $1997.50

So far we have paid out $3500 to webmasters and have earned with some jacked up numbers $3590.75

Profit has been made. Now add in that 30% of sign-ups take a cross sale at $15 each, 60% of the people that view the exit will have a sign-up ratio of 1:1250 views on the exit.

Add in up sells, double opt in e-mails, member e-mails and the other 15 ways paysites can make money and you have a huge profit.

Paysites, are very profitable on a 1.95 trial as long as the paysite owners know what they are doing and have it down to an art.

Even if you lower the 35% trial to conversion to 25% and leave the other numbers in place just with x sales they make a profit.

It's rather simple :)