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pornlaw 01-17-2018 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cordoba (Post 22167164)
True, but it's a lot of work for the UK border police to submit a request to the registrars of EVERY porn site online that doesn't have an age verification or UK ip block.

Why would they do it to every site ? They would just send it to the hosts and/or the domain registries...

magneto664 01-17-2018 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 22167311)
Why would they do it to every site ? They would just send it to the hosts and/or the domain registries...

and how you can handle it.
a discussion forum with a subforum where people place naked photos.
it does not have to be a porn site, just a forum for sailors or rpg fans.
What about the Twitter? and other popular sites?

why are you still writing about the domain registrar? is some magical organization?

sarettah 01-18-2018 04:23 PM

Magneto664, your camsdepot is throwing a 504:Gateway error on me.

Just thought I would let you know.

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j3rkules 01-19-2018 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 22169131)
Magneto664, your camsdepot is throwing a 504:Gateway error on me.

Just thought I would let you know.

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It works now, but it looks to load slow.

VRPdommy 01-19-2018 11:39 AM

Everyone really needs to turn the tables on this issue.
Force the government to create a Virtual ID to validate age.
Just as we might have for the purchase of tobacco or alcohol.

Yes, I know that is not likely to happen. But if you are not asking for something, what do you have to compromise with.

cordoba 01-19-2018 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 22167311)
Why would they do it to every site ? They would just send it to the hosts and/or the domain registries...

So the UK police or customs or whatever could simply send one legal request to GoDaddy (and all the other registrars) for the whois details of every non-compliant site registered under them?

cordoba 01-19-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 22167281)
The traffic and sales of noncompliant websites within the UK will be reapportioned among sites that are compliant. If you have significant traffic and sales from UK traffic now, make sure you become compliant immediately.

It's not about them suing you in the US... it's about them blocking your url entirely at the ISP level within the UK.

Brits who are serious about porn will simply use a proxy. Doesn't half the world use proxies now anyway?

What about Brits who join a pay site? Wont they still have to age verify themselves every time in order to access the log in page? Isn't that going to be a pain in the ass? Wont they just use a proxy whether they are going to join a site or just surf for free porn?

If you're willing to go to the trouble to get your credit card out every time you want to look at online porn, you're probably going to be even more willing to take 10 seconds to download and set up a free proxy that allows you to avoid all this hassle.

cordoba 01-19-2018 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22170343)
Everyone really needs to turn the tables on this issue.
Force the government to create a Virtual ID to validate age.
Just as we might have for the purchase of tobacco or alcohol.

Yes, I know that is not likely to happen. But if you are not asking for something, what do you have to compromise with.

Because the next step will be to force everybody to use their 'virtual id' when using twitter, posting anything political online etc., as is already now the case in China and other repressive regimes which have no concept of freedom of speech.

https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-...omment-online/

pornlaw 01-19-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cordoba (Post 22170616)
So the UK police or customs or whatever could simply send one legal request to GoDaddy (and all the other registrars) for the whois details of every non-compliant site registered under them?

Not one for all of them. One for each of them. A lot has to do with international treaties as well. MLAT controls cross border law enforcement subpoena requests between numerous countries. The UK and the US have a signed treaty.

If you want to see who has a treaty with who you can look here --> https://mlat.info/

I have a Canadian client that I deal with this issue on almost on a daily basis with US based law enforcement. I make local law enforcement jump through the MLAT hoops in regards to subpoenas.

I used to be able to make the US FBI and US DOJ jump through the same MLAT hoops however, they have smartened up. Now they just contact the Canadian Royal Mounted Police so they provide the subpoena to my client and then they provide whatever information they get directly to the FBI/DOJ. No hoop jumping since the Mounties have jurisdiction.

So the UK's Ministry of Justice could do the same with the US Department of Justice and just have them submit the subpoena's to Godaddy or any of the other US based registrars and get the information rather easily.

cordoba 01-20-2018 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 22170685)
Not one for all of them. One for each of them. A lot has to do with international treaties as well. MLAT controls cross border law enforcement subpoena requests between numerous countries. The UK and the US have a signed treaty.

I would estimate that come this summer, there will be at least one million adult sites online without age verification for the UK. That's a hell of a lot of work for the UK authorities to send off individual subpeonas for each site.

Of course, maybe they just wont bother unless the site in question is hardanalpornhub.co.uk with a milllion daily uk visitors. But the point is the original post in this thread was a guy asking if it was safe for him to visit the UK and would it be likely to be arrested by border control. No, unless he has a huge site that has huge UK traffic. In other words, the UK wont have a huge big brother database of every webmaster in the world who runs a porn site that does not have UK verification - that would involve issuing a million or more requests to registrars and hosts for private information.

In any case, they would have the legal power to ask for that information only for British based webmasters (i.e. you are breaking British law), and if the webmaster has whois protection, how do they know the webmaster is British based? The UK has the right to block foreign sites that do not have age verification, but unless you are a British based webmaster, you are not 'breaking the law'. Even if you are British based, from what I've read, you will be served an enforcement notice to which you will have a year or something to comply with (i.e. introduce age verification) or face a fine.

sarettah 01-20-2018 07:14 AM

Fiddy Unverified U.S. Porn Sites.

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thommy 01-20-2018 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw (Post 22166145)
Blacklisting by Google in other countries probably wont happen.

In Canada, Google was ordered by the Canadian Supreme Court to blacklist certain results. Google just hopped across the border to the US and won a ruling in a US court that overturned the Canadian Supreme Court's decision.

Google Wins Ruling to Block Global Censorship Order | Fortune

As for VISA and Mastercard... I dont see that happening but its remotely possible.

#1, 2 and 3 I agree with.

but they do it in Germany since around 10 years or more already.

there are thousands of big pornsites what you can not find in Google´s german index.

Out of that Google does not even deal with this anymore. It is lumendatabase.
If a site is listed there Google takes it out automatically in a countries index or the complete index.

pornlaw 01-20-2018 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cordoba (Post 22171066)
I would estimate that come this summer, there will be at least one million adult sites online without age verification for the UK. That's a hell of a lot of work for the UK authorities to send off individual subpeonas for each site.

Of course, maybe they just wont bother unless the site in question is hardanalpornhub.co.uk with a milllion daily uk visitors. But the point is the original post in this thread was a guy asking if it was safe for him to visit the UK and would it be likely to be arrested by border control. No, unless he has a huge site that has huge UK traffic. In other words, the UK wont have a huge big brother database of every webmaster in the world who runs a porn site that does not have UK verification - that would involve issuing a million or more requests to registrars and hosts for private information.

In any case, they would have the legal power to ask for that information only for British based webmasters (i.e. you are breaking British law), and if the webmaster has whois protection, how do they know the webmaster is British based? The UK has the right to block foreign sites that do not have age verification, but unless you are a British based webmaster, you are not 'breaking the law'. Even if you are British based, from what I've read, you will be served an enforcement notice to which you will have a year or something to comply with (i.e. introduce age verification) or face a fine.

How they will enforce it, who they will enforce it against, if they will enforce it and how long it will take if they do enforce it is all just speculation.

Its like 2257 in the US. Its only been enforced against 1 person and only a dozen of so producers have been inspected. There are many ways for DOJ to enforce 2257 - if they chose to. But the mass inspections have never come to fruition.

Will this new law in the UK be the same as 2257 probably not. I will assume that there will be some level of enforcement. And only then will anyone really know.


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