Room Mate Issues - The Saga Continues

[Ace-Ace]

Long story short. I don't want people over 24/7 he does, so I asked him to compromise, and he was unwilling. I had to treat him like a child and have him not use my TV/DVD Player/VCR/Washer/Dryer, etc (90% of the stuff in here is mine, and he said the previous night "fine if you want to be like that then don't use my stuff and I won't use yours" so I took him up on it).

After about a week, he and his pot smoking buddies were bored over here (no TV = no fun). Finally we came to an agreement that he could stay here for another month or two as long as he got all of the drugs out of my apartment and did not invite people over nonstop (even 4, 5 days a week would be okay by me, but 8-10 hours a day 7 days a week is insane).

Well he's had people over every night since, and smoked pot IN the apartment while I was away in Florida. He broke both things we agreed on. Today was the day he's moving into his buddy's house, and asked me to sign off on the lease (taking away all his responsibility for damages + payments here). Well I was going to be a nice guy and just say "get out" and take up the full finiancial responsibility of this place, until he had people over 24/7 and then smoked pot in here and tried to hide it (took it one step too far with that).

So I told him I'm not signing off, and he'll be paying me rent next month, and the month after until I can get this place sold (wanting to move elsewhere as well, like he is/did). He's telling me he's not paying anything. Unfortunately for him, his name is still on the lease for another 5 months, so he's legally bound to pay. I just talked to him (he's moved into his buddy's house) and he refused to pay any of the past utilities (for the month he was here) and future rent. So I guess I'll have to take him to small claims court.

My REAL question is this, what should I bother with, and what shouln't I bother with?

1) Payment for final week in April (I prorated his rent and gave him $91 back for the last week, because he was moving out - this was prior to my change in heart of letting him out easy).

2) $49 black light he took

3) $15 clock he took

4) May rent (his half, $308)

5) $50 April power

6) $41 April DSL + Phone

7) Hole in the hallway he punched today in a rage once I informed him I wasn't signing off

8) Monster audio cable he took from my rear speakers ($25 value or so)

9) Dumb shit like laundry detergent, toothpaste, softener, few food items, etc.

Which are worth persueing, and which should I say "whatever, not worth it" with?

[barryf]

If you're going to sue him you might as well and sue him for EVERYTHING. Plus invent a few new things.

B

[TDF]

sign off goddamniiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

[SpaceAce]

If you are actually going to go to court, go after everything you have receipts for. Why would you go to court and not pursue every penny?

SpaceAce

[SpaceAce]

Don't forget the expensive China he broke.

SpaceAce

[Theo]

i would cut his head with a kick

[SothArtist]

Don't know if it's really worth Ace. In court you might get half of what your claiming. Which ads up to around $250 odd. Might be a lot of headache for that. But I can imagine how you feel.

[BigFrog]

1) Payment for final week in April (I prorated his rent and gave him $91 back for the last week, because he was moving out - this was prior to my change in heart of letting him out easy).

petty

2) $49 black light he took

if it's yours, ask for it back

3) $15 clock he took

that important? ask for it.

4) May rent (his half, $308)

no way will you get that. you told him you would sign off then decided otherwise after he had already started moving and arranged for new living quarters, where he could say that money was already paid to move in.

5) $50 April power

if that's his share, that's fair

6) $41 April DSL + Phone

if he used it and it was agreed upon to pay half, that's fair.

7) Hole in the hallway he punched today in a rage once I informed him I wasn't signing off

this is the one thing that's actually important. tell your landlord about it immediately.

8) Monster audio cable he took from my rear speakers ($25 value or so)

ask for it.

9) Dumb shit like laundry detergent, toothpaste, softener, few food items, etc.

dude, that's so petty...and no way will a judge rule in ur favor on that shit.

Which are worth persueing, and which should I say "whatever, not worth it" with?

[propromotions]

Its simple....JUDGE JUDY

[phogirl69]

Dude, my roommate has people over once a week on the weekends, and THAT by itself is enough to drive me CRAZY!
Read my sage here http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ght=roomma te

[Theo]

hire Matlock

[galleryseek]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
hire Matlock

or just hire soul rebel, he'll send one of his many hitmen after him. s-rebel makes 50,000 a day

[Scootermuze]

take pics.. gather receipts..

It'll be a small claims court (judge Judy) thing..

[Rich]

You're a bitch, don't back out on your word because he smoked pot and had friends over. Grow up buddy.

[Pipecrew]

I hear ya, I fucking hate roomates, so glad mine are gone, I had many of the same issues,


charge him everything..... Its great, I took the advice of puremeds a while ago when he commented on my thread, he said to cash the poor roomates checks all at the same time so they bounce hahaha

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Rich
You're a bitch, don't back out on your word because he smoked pot and had friends over. Grow up buddy.

roommate violated the agreement so why can't he?

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by Rich
You're a bitch, don't back out on your word because he smoked pot and had friends over. Grow up buddy.

Me grow up because I can't go 24 hours without having pot and people over? Yes, I'm so insecure with my life that I NEED FRIENDS OVER all the time and I NEED POT ALL THE TIME! Yes, I do need to grow up, you're right.

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster


roommate violated the agreement so why can't he?

I was about to be a nice guy (I am by nature) and just say "get out" and take over the responsibility of full rent + everything. Then he crossed the line and purposefully, and knowingly went against both things we agreed on (people over 24/7 + pot in the apartment, not only in the apartment...but smoked).

He dug is own grave...he knew what he was doing, and I'm sick of getting stepped on (I'm a big pushover). So this time, he's getting what he asked for. I'm not being the dickhead here, he cause all of this himself (knowingly), just didn't think I'd follow up with it.

[Ace-Ace]

As far as the guy posting the list of things with comments on them...I'm obviously not going into court "he took my god damn clock" or "he took my soap!!! fuck!". I just mentioned those things for the hell of it, I'm not too concerned about those.

As far as 8 days of the rent I refunded to him, that's $91 in his pocket that he shouldn't have. I fully intend on going after that, as well as next month's rent.

He is in a legally bound lease. He is IN this lease unless I sign him off. He knew the lease terms going in, and has known them all along. I almost cut him a break just to get him out, but he fucked that up too. Basically he's screwed himself over...in more ways than one this time.

[Why]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
i would cut his head with a kick

i would be very interested to see this

[Pipecrew]

Alot of people will mock you and make fun of your situation, but they honestly have NO fucking idea how miserable it is when you hate being in your own house, I totally understand and support you

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by Pipecrew
Alot of people will mock you and make fun of your situation, but they honestly have NO fucking idea how miserable it is when you hate being in your own house, I totally understand and support you

Yeah, it absolutely sucks when it gets this bad, and he starts taking towels (xmas present from my mom at that) and toothpaste and other dumb shit.

I used to be very uncomfortable coming home. I'd have to jet line it to my room in order to avoid him and his 5+ friends. Then I grew some balls and just said "get the fuck out now, all of you". When they refused I just said "k, be right back then, cops are on their way...you might want to hide that bowl".

When you have the upper hand in everything: his job, his lease contract, his drug habits (with the law, or with his parents), it makes things quite a bit easier and they're forced to comply.

[BigFrog]

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
I almost cut him a break just to get him out, but he fucked that up too. Basically he's screwed himself over...in more ways than one this time.





Well I was going to be a nice guy and just say "get out" and take up the full finiancial responsibility of this place, until he had people over 24/7 and then smoked pot in here and tried to hide it (took it one step too far with that).

did you ever tell him you would sign off?

[Theo]

Originally posted by Why
i would be very interested to see this

i guess it will take some practise first

[Snake Doctor]

Wait a minute.
You tell the guy to leave, he leaves, but somehow pisses you off before he does, and now you want to sue him for future rent?

You want to explain to the me how you're going to convince the judge that this guy owes you money because you couldn't live with his lifestyle and asked him to leave?

[Rictor]

If you made a verbal agreement to sign off on the lease, you may be screwed.

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by Lenny2
Wait a minute.
You tell the guy to leave, he leaves, but somehow pisses you off before he does, and now you want to sue him for future rent?

You want to explain to the me how you're going to convince the judge that this guy owes you money because you couldn't live with his lifestyle and asked him to leave?

I didn't tell him to leave. He's fine here, so long we can compromise and 1) he not have people over 24/7 (even 5 days a week is fine by me) and 2) he doesn't smoke / possess pot in the house. I don't want the legal connection to drugs.

I have no problem with him staying, given he abided by the following. He realized he couldn't so now he wants to move to this kids house and fuck me over with the remaining rent (5 months left)

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by Rictor
If you made a verbal agreement to sign off on the lease, you may be screwed.

The verbal agreement (witness by about a half dozen people) was basically this:

1) You move out in his house the 21st, and until then you don't have people over as much (again, even 3, 4, or 5 days a week I could put up with).

2) You don't have any drugs in this apartment.

What he did...

1) He's had people over every day and night since then (usually 4-10 hours a day, 7 days a week).

2) He's kept the drugs in the apartment (I kinda let it slide, cause he was going outside to smoke - even though I could still get in trouble). Then he decided to try to smoke in the apartment behind my back, fully aware of the consequences if I found out...but he did it anyways.

[BigFrog]

did you EVER tell him you would sign off on the lease?

[Rich]

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
Me grow up because I can't go 24 hours without having pot and people over? Yes, I'm so insecure with my life that I NEED FRIENDS OVER all the time and I NEED POT ALL THE TIME! Yes, I do need to grow up, you're right.

Yes, you grow up. Kicking him out is fine. This is what I was reffering to:

Well I was going to be a nice guy and just say "get out" and take up the full finiancial responsibility of this place, until he had people over 24/7 and then smoked pot in here and tried to hide it (took it one step too far with that).[/B]

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by Rich
Yes, you grow up. Kicking him out is fine. This is what I was reffering to:

Right, I suppose I should just let him out of the lease even after breaking his verbal agreement and stepping all over me. Might as well let him get his way in every aspect possible, right?

Who cares what happens to me, or how I get screwed - I need to look out for his best interest, right?

[foe]

Take him on court tv

[foe]

seriously though its your full right to do what you did.

[sandz]

get someone else into the house until you can afford to sell it, if you agreed verbally or even in your intentions of saying you will sign off on the lease you are legally responsible to do so - its a verbal contract and in this case is just as likely to hold up in court as a written one.

i understand you're pissed off but is it really worth all the effort (especially if you take him to court..) just make him pay you a few hundred $ for the things you mentioned, and let that be the end of it.. signoff on the lease

[Danielle]

Well if he took things that don't belong to him from you he is a thief. Just call the police department and have him arrested. They will go into his new place and get your things back for you.

Then if you feel the need after that, sue him in small claims court for any money still owed.

Just my 2 cents.

Hugs,
Danielle

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by sandz
get someone else into the house until you can afford to sell it, if you agreed verbally or even in your intentions of saying you will sign off on the lease you are legally responsible to do so - its a verbal contract and in this case is just as likely to hold up in court as a written one.

i understand you're pissed off but is it really worth all the effort (especially if you take him to court..) just make him pay you a few hundred $ for the things you mentioned, and let that be the end of it.. signoff on the lease

The money itself is one thing, but the bigger thing is the fact that he'd be stepping all over me, taking advantage thinking I'd do nothing about the situation - and that he'd be exactly right. This kid has pulled this shit for 8 months straight, and I've somehow just let it slide, and put up with it.

This time he's gone one step too far, and he's going to have to pay for what he's done.

As far as a verbal contract in court goes, how do you think the judge would interpret it. "Why did you say you'd let him off the lease then backed out of it?"

"Well your honor, we had two agreements, first he wouldn't have people over nonstop, and secondly he'd get the drugs out of my apartment. He's had people over every single day/night and has housed drugs and used them in my apartment on multiple occasions".

I don't think the judge will like him too much after that. If he denies it, a simple blood test would to the trick. He's smoked every day for 6 months straight (is stoned tonight, at his "new place" actually).

[sandz]

pot only stays in the system for up to 3 weeks in most cases.. although I guess if he smoked it for 6 months he's going to need it and wont be able to last a week let alone 3 weeks without it

anyway best of luck in getting what is rightfully yours back.. and teaching him a lesson

[Spunky]

Talk to a laywer. I'm sure he probably will tell you the time and effort to pursue this isnt worth it. Phone the cops about the stolen shit and the damage.Who knows this stoned fuck might retaliate if you do something like try to sue him?

[Snake Doctor]

You know what, if you were "roommates" then half of the rights to the place were his.
Having friends over isn't a crime. He could have them over 24/7 and it doesn't violate the lease does it?

YOU were the one that couldn't live with that, so you agree that he'll move out on the 21st, and go so far as to refund him 9 days worth of rent.

Then he pissed you off and you want to sue him?
Having people over isn't a crime. Smoking pot is, but unless you can "PROVE" that he did it, he'll just deny it and its your word against his.
Also would be kinda hard to prove since he did it when you were in Florida, not right in front of you.

If you're so big on privacy and not having people over all the time, why were you living with a roommate to begin with? Get a smaller place all to yourself and problem solved.

[foe]

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
As far as the guy posting the list of things with comments on them...I'm obviously not going into court "he took my god damn clock" or "he took my soap!!! fuck!". I just mentioned those things for the hell of it, I'm not too concerned about those.

As far as 8 days of the rent I refunded to him, that's $91 in his pocket that he shouldn't have. I fully intend on going after that, as well as next month's rent.

He is in a legally bound lease. He is IN this lease unless I sign him off. He knew the lease terms going in, and has known them all along. I almost cut him a break just to get him out, but he fucked that up too. Basically he's screwed himself over...in more ways than one this time.

If you change the keys that signs him off on the lease im pretty sure

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
The money itself is one thing, but the bigger thing is the fact that he'd be stepping all over me, taking advantage thinking I'd do nothing about the situation - and that he'd be exactly right. This kid has pulled this shit for 8 months straight, and I've somehow just let it slide, and put up with it.

This time he's gone one step too far, and he's going to have to pay for what he's done.

As far as a verbal contract in court goes, how do you think the judge would interpret it. "Why did you say you'd let him off the lease then backed out of it?"

"Well your honor, we had two agreements, first he wouldn't have people over nonstop, and secondly he'd get the drugs out of my apartment. He's had people over every single day/night and has housed drugs and used them in my apartment on multiple occasions".

I don't think the judge will like him too much after that. If he denies it, a simple blood test would to the trick. He's smoked every day for 6 months straight (is stoned tonight, at his "new place" actually).

A small claims court judge can't subject someone to a blood test to check for drugs. Doesn't work that way.

Only thing that matters is who the judge believes more. Remember all those friends he had over everyday? You can bet your ass they'll be there in court to back up his story.

Get over yourself and let it fucking go.

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by Rich
You're a bitch, don't back out on your word because he smoked pot and had friends over. Grow up buddy.

You're so full of shit.

Don't listen to this moron's advice.

SpaceAce

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by Lenny2
You know what, if you were "roommates" then half of the rights to the place were his.
Having friends over isn't a crime. He could have them over 24/7 and it doesn't violate the lease does it?

YOU were the one that couldn't live with that, so you agree that he'll move out on the 21st, and go so far as to refund him 9 days worth of rent.

Then he pissed you off and you want to sue him?
Having people over isn't a crime. Smoking pot is, but unless you can "PROVE" that he did it, he'll just deny it and its your word against his.
Also would be kinda hard to prove since he did it when you were in Florida, not right in front of you.

If you're so big on privacy and not having people over all the time, why were you living with a roommate to begin with? Get a smaller place all to yourself and problem solved.

Yes, he can be a non-compliant room mate and be an asshole about things and not compromise and have people over 24/7. There's no legal ways for me to stop him. This got childish and I had to tell him not to touch any of my shit (mentioned in first post). Oddly enough after I did this, his friends stopped coming over. Finally we came to an agreement, which he DID NOT abide by, and now he'll suffer the consequences.

As far as smoking pot in the apartment. His girlfriend informed me, and two of his friends that smoked with him here informed me. I have my girlfriend as a witness to his girlfriend informing us, and a logged Trillian/AIM conversation of one of his friends informing me. Not to mention, he's yet to deny it. He just says "whatever you weren't here, we cleaned up the smell". He's a complete idiot, and should be treated like one.

[mjrools23]

kick his ass pussy

[Spunky]

Originally posted by Ace-Ace

As far as smoking pot in the apartment. His girlfriend informed me, and two of his friends that smoked with him here informed me. I have my girlfriend as a witness to his girlfriend informing us, and a logged Trillian/AIM conversation of one of his friends informing me. Not to mention, he's yet to deny it. He just says "whatever you weren't here, we cleaned up the smell". He's a complete idiot, and should be treated like one.

The cops or the judge would just laugh at that and not bother doing anything here.Maybe your laws are more strict but that really doesnt mean anything "smoking pot in your apartment"

I wouldnt base this complaint as a reason to try to get anything from him

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by spunky1


The cops or the judge would just laugh at that and not bother doing anything here.Maybe your laws are more strict but that really doesnt mean anything "smoking pot in your apartment"

I wouldnt base this complaint as a reason to try to get anything from him

Not sure where your from, but you think the cops would be relaxed about a kid trafficing, smoking, and dealing pot in his apartment? They take this VERY seriously here, not sure what kind of wonderland you're living in.

[Spunky]

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
Not sure where your from, but you think the cops would be relaxed about a kid trafficing, smoking, and dealing pot in his apartment? They take this VERY seriously here, not sure what kind of wonderland you're living in.

Wonderland? Shit everybody and his brother either smokes it or grows it here,well not quite that bad but bad enough you just get a slap on the wrist and a small fine for having pounds of the shit.
If you wanted to be a narc join the police force otherwise let it go.You could wind up with the shit beat out of you for ratting him out.
The property and the damage should be your concern and not what a person does for a living or smokes

[Ace-Ace]

Originally posted by spunky1

Wonderland? Shit everybody and his brother either smokes it or grows it here,well not quite that bad but bad enough you just get a slap on the wrist and a small fine for having pounds of the shit.
If you wanted to be a narc join the police force otherwise let it go.You could wind up with the shit beat out of you for ratting him out.
The property and the damage should be your concern and not what a person does for a living or smokes

I've told him to get the drugs out man times...and he refused to. That alone is good enough reason to get him fucked over. What he does at this new place really isn't of concern for me. He can fry himself all he wants, no skin off my back.

I want to move out. He wants to move out. He physically moved his stuff, now I'm expected to sign him off the lease and take over full financial responsibility for it? No thanks, doesn't seem like to good of a deal to me. At one point I considered it, and agreed to it, but things have changed. He's still in this lease, and is legally bound to pay rent for the remaining 5 months (attempting to sell the lease next month actually...so hopefully neither of us have to pay more than a month).

[helis]

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
I've told him to get the drugs out man times...and he refused to. That alone is good enough reason to get him fucked over. What he does at this new place really isn't of concern for me. He can fry himself all he wants, no skin off my back.

I want to move out. He wants to move out. He physically moved his stuff, now I'm expected to sign him off the lease and take over full financial responsibility for it? No thanks, doesn't seem like to good of a deal to me. At one point I considered it, and agreed to it, but things have changed. He's still in this lease, and is legally bound to pay rent for the remaining 5 months (attempting to sell the lease next month actually...so hopefully neither of us have to pay more than a month).

mate your so right its not funny you both made a deal with multiple conditions some dumb shits keep only seeing one and thats the signing off of the lease...

you both agreed of all conditions and he broke all of them so the agreement is void including and not limited to signing off on the lease

sue the fucker for everything and more is what i'd do and make sure you document EVERYTHING

[fiveyes]

Once you've allowed someone to walk all over you, it's impossible to get on top of the situation. Let it go and get on with your life.

If you feel all that badly about it, look at yourself and figure out how you let it happen. Then, try not to allow it again.