Ya, u ever been there?

slipping in one truth doesn't make the rest of this shit true.:

nice try though.

And what, only major affiliate program owners are allowed in your programs?

And this, ladies and gentelmen, is what we folks in the ideas biz call "ad hominem".

:thumbsup

exactly

prove it! Come on man show some proof about what you're saying, all i've heard is some shit about your programs with the occasional thumbs up.

Prove what he's saying is false. That's all i'm asking.

Why can't you come up with a straight answer?

I'll spell it out for you slowly, pay attention.

the test of my programs is the tens of thousands of happy webmasters, the friends and business associates I have in this business, and the rabble who make up my detractors.

Agree to any type of test with an assclown whos called me a cheater under all 3 of his usernames that we know about (and however many others we don't know about)?

to what end? so [the leader] can decide how honest I am?
didn't mommy ever tell you not to let a thief in your house?
son, you've got a lot to learn.:winkwink:

uh, I've got to go eat before the flyers game comes on. when we all return to work tomorrow morning, we can resume this conversation.

And there it is again. Did someone mention ad hominem? I'm called a thief, again, by 12clicks, for asking him if I can test his program, and/or explain some of his shady business practices. Again I've never done business with this guy, and it appears he doesn't even know who I am. He calls me an anon, well we've been over this before too many times to count. That's why I changed from The Leader to my real first name. What or who have I ever cheated 12clicks? You? Post some details, we'd all love to hear them. Of coarse, as usual, you're all talk.

Well whatever, I don't think a lot of newbs who read this thread will jump all over clickthrutraffic or whatever shady program 12clicks is pushing this year, so that's good. Keep up the good bullshit 12clicks. :thumbsup

wow
very professionnal, he quotes a place with a bad comment and you take him out
Once again, props to you 12clicks and your professionalism

In all the anti-SI threads i've seen, i have not once seen anything that even begins to prove some of the outlandish claims i've seen made by jaded scammers and cheaters.

Jesus Christ: Webmasters are paid per searches made. The surfer is not required to click thru. Perhaps you should have actually signed up for the program before mouthing off?

dmv69: Why spread unfounded lies and rumours about a reputable company? And why the hell are you still using SI affiliate programs if you're prepared to spread such bullshit? Why would you be spreading the lies if you didn't think it was true. So, you think they're cheating you, but you'll continue to promote them anyways?

I remember seeing 12clicks saying this a while back when i was searching through some old posts:

<i>this is the only business where people think they can call the boss a lying asshole and not get fired.</i>



What programs have been closed and renamed? As far as i know, SI's blind click programs were closed, after paying owed affiliates in full. Perhaps blink clicks just weren't a profitable model for them anymore? Bottom line: Everyone was paid.

Yes, the FCC always goes around shutting down companies who's software is Verisign Certified and authenticated. And Verisign just love certifying malicious software. Idiot. Perhaps you and 49th should learn how to configure your browser correctly, or just leave the settings as default. I'm always prompted with a simple yes or no, when browsing the pages mentioned.

I think the fact that you think both of those domains are owned by SI proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Care to make up any more "information" on the fly, to support your bullshit? Btw, allclicks.com works for me.

It's really not hard to find this information. Take a guess. Seriously, i'll give you a clue.

"Standard Internet"

So that obviously gives you a solid foundation for your arguments about how he apparently rips people off? So you base your bullshit entirely on hear'say?

Errr, they don't? They've closed down programs now and then. Why? As i've already explained before, maybe the particular model for that program was no longer profitable. Have you noticed how few blind link programs are around today? Think about it.

And again. Affiliates were all paid in full. How is this a problem? How does this even suggest that there was any cheating, or scamming? Are you really this dense?

I think the results speak for themselves. Literally thousands of webmasters happily promoting SI products day in, day out. Excellent business relations with many of the bigger players.

And yes, 12clicks is my sugar daddy.

i dont mind promoting them and i dont spread lies. i just quoted what someone else said on another board who has been in the game for years, someone who has deep found knowledge about ppc's.

if u read all of my post in here, i never said they were bad, I HEARD they where. Period.

I quoted off some guy. was any of this my opinion? no?

You would imagine out of all adult forums that a board like gofuckyourself.com would not be all sweet talk and sucking up.

All i did was provide PostWhore an opinion of someone who's been in the biz for years about SI, thats it. If i get punish for that, then fine. But just remember, this is gofuckyourself not gokissass

Standard Internet are a good company to do business with if you enjoy not getting your cheques for a couple of months. Then you have to almost harrass their customer support to get an answer on payments.

They finally (few weeks later) then get back to you and accuse you of using a hitbot to send them traffic and they won't be paying you after sending them good converting traffic for over a year. Good times.

Over the past 4 years doing this fulltime and dealing with a multitude of companies SI is the only company to fuck me over FYI.

Ive often seen people giving negative feedback on sponsors, affiliates, hosts etc etc on message boards. Normally what happens is the organisation receiving the negative feedback goes out of their way to either redeem themselves, or to correct any misconceptions.

12clicks has done neither. Instead he has resorted to swearing and various other childish tactics. Now, ask yourselves whether you want to do business with a person/organisation that acts as unprofessionally as this.

Sure, others have sworn and had a go at 12clicks but they arent acting as representatives of an copany, rather they are commenting as individuals. (it is called gofuckyourself afterall)

Personally, I wouldnt touch him or his organisation with the proverbial 10 foot bargepole either.

Im just glad for his sake that he is making so much money that he can get away with acting like a prick and doesnt have to worry about putting off prospective customers.

Ride it while you can. Reputations are easy to destroy but almost impossible to repair.

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Can't we play nice?

http://www.bobbydarling.com/sandbox.gif

ahahahahaha, another weekend attack by a part time webmaster.
classic!
I'm sure you're right and my calling a thief a thief and an asshole an asshole will not endear me to the circles you're a part of but I guess I'll just have to put my 5yr rep on the line.
:1orglaugh

Assumptions really are the mother of all fuckups.

Now havent you got a Multi Billion Dollar Empire to run?

oh, no! one mis-step concerning you and I'll be doomed!!!
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

An amatuer philosipher as well i see??
Seems like a case of "Do what i say and not what i do"

12click's 12 cents worth

I 'm still waiting for my check from one of your other programs bulkclicks and it's been two years now.
Look for my nick in your database!!!

trouble

100 :)

Actions, not board-nonsense, is what does it for me.


Actions.



For the past 3 years or so, every time my affiliate account has exceeded the minimum payout, at the end of that pay period 12click's company has sent me a cheque. Not once has it been late, not once has it bounced, not once have I had to give it a second thought.



I find it funny that there seems to be a few guys jabbering and cockin' off to Ron on this thread accusing him of running a decieptful operation that have never even been an affiliate of his. Some of you barely have any business in adult at all.


But thanks, I'm enjoying the popcorn, and this thread.

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Holy shit, that's hilarious.