yeah, whatever you say the leader, er, I mean [leader], er,......rich.

I'm sure everyone but me knows what you do and you're a great success. :1orglaugh

Once again, awesome defense with the smilies, banned word and all.
So why don't you post your programs for everyone to see?
Maybe some newbs will signup. Hell i might even signup.

well, you've been getting fucked by him long enough. its high time he married you.:1orglaugh

yeah, whatever you say rawlikesushi.com, er, I mean allclicks.com, er,.......clickthrutraffic.com

I'm sure everyone but me knows that you pay everyone and you're an honest business man. :1orglaugh

I just had to comment. For me, this is one of the biggest insult imaginable. I wonder how many people on this board would even think of it like that. (I can think of a few.)

you never said if it's true or not

Ive been using standard internet programs for many years. ALways been paid on time, always got questions answered and 12clicks always took time to help.

They just dont tolerate cheaters. Plain and simple. And in keeping with tone of this thread....'nuff said.

But quite fitting if you ask me.

which programs do you run again? what do you do? nuff said.:1orglaugh

Why do they close down programs all the time then? Why does 12clicks never answer a hard question or accusation with anything but a childish insult? There's no question he pays people, but all the time? Also, do you count your own traffic on his 1st page click program? For some reason he wouldn't let me try that program and do that, in fact he called me a cheater when I asked if I remember correctly. Kind of funny, since I've never in my life signed up for one of his programs, done any business with him, or been called a cheater or dishonest by any other human being on the face of the earth. Please explain to me how that's not shady business and I'll take back everything I've ever said about him. Well, almost everything.

This board is rife with sophistry. I don't know if 12clicks is worse than others, I don't really pay that much attention.

I will say that sophistry requires real intelligence, and knowing enough about logic to subvert it. Most of the "non-arguments" on here don't qualify. Name-calling, etc.

yeah, it's ok for you to rip people off, change your program name, and start all over again....because why? because I don't have an adult program? yeah that's logic

hey liar, what was the last program we closed after paying everyone in full?

oh and which programs do you run again? what do you do? nuff said. :1orglaugh

haha, oh I don't doubt that you've never closed a program and paid everyone in full, don't worry about that.

hahaha, keep chanting lies. someone will believe you and stay away from me. (of course I'm not interested in the business of anyone so easily fooled)

oh, and which non-adult programs do you run again? what do you do? nuff said.:1orglaugh

and I don't doubt that you ever opened one. :1orglaugh

I would agree with that

I don't agree with that however. Sophistry doesn't require intelligence. It's just flawed logic.
The "I'm better than you so i'm right" logic doesn't require intelligence.

12Clicks:
"When the wise man points his finger, the fool pulls it"
Very true!

I disagree. Don't confuse poor logic, or a lack of logic, with sophistry. Sophistry is the abuse of logical argument, not the absence of it. A sophist knows what he is doing... arguing towards an end, and distorting logic to do so.

So how about letting me send some traffic to your 1st page click program? I'll use a 3rd party tracking service to count myself, and post the results here. Of coarse, if I try to cheat like you'll probably claim I will, you can come here and post all the proof. Sounds good to me, you game?

Help me out, I'm just a poor man with no sites or programs, your program will make me rich right? I'm living in a youth hostel over here.

no, no. how about I send traffic to your program. after all, everyone but me knows what you do. fill me in.:1orglaugh

This is funny ;)

I don't have one, I just said that. Pay attention big guy. So, you don't like my offer or what?

Poor deflection

good, then lets test whatever it is you do. After all, plenty of people know what you do, its just me who doesn't. Once we test what you do and determine that you're *anything* at all in this biz, then and only then, will we talk about my programs with their 5 yr history of ontime payments.

We will never test the proven winner with an anon loser like yourself. :thumbsup

school tomorrow. homework done?

12 Clicks wrote a book -
"How to win friends and influence people"
Best seller

...and another poor deflection...

Why be afraid of anyone testing your system? Who cares who they are. I don't know you, and don't really have an opinion of you, but you're making yourself look worse in this thread than he is.

Who said I'm anything in this business? I'm not. I don't run any really profitable adult sites, I'm just testing the waters. I'm not here to have a dick measuring contest, which is what you seem to try to turn everything into. I'm not trying to compete with you, I'm not trying to put you out of business, I'm here to laugh at the way you answer everything negative against you. 5 yr history of payments? Which of your programs have been consistently paying people for 5 years? Why whenever someone asks about you, at least a couple people say they've had late or missing payments from you? Why do you answer accusations of hijacking browsers with low brow insults? Why do you keep shutting down programs and opening them up again under new names? Maybe if you answered some of the questions instead of insulting the people asking/accusing, you'd look like a hell of a lot less of a jackass.

:2 cents:

Ya, u ever been there?

slipping in one truth doesn't make the rest of this shit true.:

nice try though.

And what, only major affiliate program owners are allowed in your programs?

And this, ladies and gentelmen, is what we folks in the ideas biz call "ad hominem".

:thumbsup

exactly

prove it! Come on man show some proof about what you're saying, all i've heard is some shit about your programs with the occasional thumbs up.

Prove what he's saying is false. That's all i'm asking.

Why can't you come up with a straight answer?

I'll spell it out for you slowly, pay attention.

the test of my programs is the tens of thousands of happy webmasters, the friends and business associates I have in this business, and the rabble who make up my detractors.

Agree to any type of test with an assclown whos called me a cheater under all 3 of his usernames that we know about (and however many others we don't know about)?

to what end? so [the leader] can decide how honest I am?
didn't mommy ever tell you not to let a thief in your house?
son, you've got a lot to learn.:winkwink:

uh, I've got to go eat before the flyers game comes on. when we all return to work tomorrow morning, we can resume this conversation.

And there it is again. Did someone mention ad hominem? I'm called a thief, again, by 12clicks, for asking him if I can test his program, and/or explain some of his shady business practices. Again I've never done business with this guy, and it appears he doesn't even know who I am. He calls me an anon, well we've been over this before too many times to count. That's why I changed from The Leader to my real first name. What or who have I ever cheated 12clicks? You? Post some details, we'd all love to hear them. Of coarse, as usual, you're all talk.

Well whatever, I don't think a lot of newbs who read this thread will jump all over clickthrutraffic or whatever shady program 12clicks is pushing this year, so that's good. Keep up the good bullshit 12clicks. :thumbsup

wow
very professionnal, he quotes a place with a bad comment and you take him out
Once again, props to you 12clicks and your professionalism

In all the anti-SI threads i've seen, i have not once seen anything that even begins to prove some of the outlandish claims i've seen made by jaded scammers and cheaters.

Jesus Christ: Webmasters are paid per searches made. The surfer is not required to click thru. Perhaps you should have actually signed up for the program before mouthing off?

dmv69: Why spread unfounded lies and rumours about a reputable company? And why the hell are you still using SI affiliate programs if you're prepared to spread such bullshit? Why would you be spreading the lies if you didn't think it was true. So, you think they're cheating you, but you'll continue to promote them anyways?

I remember seeing 12clicks saying this a while back when i was searching through some old posts:

<i>this is the only business where people think they can call the boss a lying asshole and not get fired.</i>



What programs have been closed and renamed? As far as i know, SI's blind click programs were closed, after paying owed affiliates in full. Perhaps blink clicks just weren't a profitable model for them anymore? Bottom line: Everyone was paid.

Yes, the FCC always goes around shutting down companies who's software is Verisign Certified and authenticated. And Verisign just love certifying malicious software. Idiot. Perhaps you and 49th should learn how to configure your browser correctly, or just leave the settings as default. I'm always prompted with a simple yes or no, when browsing the pages mentioned.

I think the fact that you think both of those domains are owned by SI proves you have no idea what you are talking about. Care to make up any more "information" on the fly, to support your bullshit? Btw, allclicks.com works for me.

It's really not hard to find this information. Take a guess. Seriously, i'll give you a clue.

"Standard Internet"

So that obviously gives you a solid foundation for your arguments about how he apparently rips people off? So you base your bullshit entirely on hear'say?

Errr, they don't? They've closed down programs now and then. Why? As i've already explained before, maybe the particular model for that program was no longer profitable. Have you noticed how few blind link programs are around today? Think about it.

And again. Affiliates were all paid in full. How is this a problem? How does this even suggest that there was any cheating, or scamming? Are you really this dense?

I think the results speak for themselves. Literally thousands of webmasters happily promoting SI products day in, day out. Excellent business relations with many of the bigger players.

And yes, 12clicks is my sugar daddy.

i dont mind promoting them and i dont spread lies. i just quoted what someone else said on another board who has been in the game for years, someone who has deep found knowledge about ppc's.

if u read all of my post in here, i never said they were bad, I HEARD they where. Period.

I quoted off some guy. was any of this my opinion? no?

You would imagine out of all adult forums that a board like gofuckyourself.com would not be all sweet talk and sucking up.

All i did was provide PostWhore an opinion of someone who's been in the biz for years about SI, thats it. If i get punish for that, then fine. But just remember, this is gofuckyourself not gokissass

Standard Internet are a good company to do business with if you enjoy not getting your cheques for a couple of months. Then you have to almost harrass their customer support to get an answer on payments.

They finally (few weeks later) then get back to you and accuse you of using a hitbot to send them traffic and they won't be paying you after sending them good converting traffic for over a year. Good times.

Over the past 4 years doing this fulltime and dealing with a multitude of companies SI is the only company to fuck me over FYI.

Ive often seen people giving negative feedback on sponsors, affiliates, hosts etc etc on message boards. Normally what happens is the organisation receiving the negative feedback goes out of their way to either redeem themselves, or to correct any misconceptions.

12clicks has done neither. Instead he has resorted to swearing and various other childish tactics. Now, ask yourselves whether you want to do business with a person/organisation that acts as unprofessionally as this.

Sure, others have sworn and had a go at 12clicks but they arent acting as representatives of an copany, rather they are commenting as individuals. (it is called gofuckyourself afterall)

Personally, I wouldnt touch him or his organisation with the proverbial 10 foot bargepole either.

Im just glad for his sake that he is making so much money that he can get away with acting like a prick and doesnt have to worry about putting off prospective customers.

Ride it while you can. Reputations are easy to destroy but almost impossible to repair.

.

Can't we play nice?

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ahahahahaha, another weekend attack by a part time webmaster.
classic!
I'm sure you're right and my calling a thief a thief and an asshole an asshole will not endear me to the circles you're a part of but I guess I'll just have to put my 5yr rep on the line.
:1orglaugh

Assumptions really are the mother of all fuckups.

Now havent you got a Multi Billion Dollar Empire to run?

oh, no! one mis-step concerning you and I'll be doomed!!!
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

An amatuer philosipher as well i see??
Seems like a case of "Do what i say and not what i do"

12click's 12 cents worth

I 'm still waiting for my check from one of your other programs bulkclicks and it's been two years now.
Look for my nick in your database!!!

trouble