Well if ppl want to get all letigious (sp?) surely there is some law against THAT

<b>"A friendship founded on business is better than a business founded on friendship."</B><i> - John D. Rockefeller (1874 - 1960)</i>
But I guess you knew that already. :glugglug
Good luck sorting your shit out.

That's for sure.

If in fact Marty did remove work that he did while working for AWW and other people's work, etc. then he is in some serious crap.

There is another person I will make sure to never do business with in the future.

I have spoken to Kevin on the phone and ICQ and he is a great guy. Best of Luck Kevin in Brisbane from Kevin in Melbourne :glugglug

By the way Wurihan you did not respond to my last post where you still owe me translation services which I paid you for last year. The last you spoke to me was when you were visiting friends in South Africa so ICQ me and tell me what the fuck is going on :feels-hot

After reading all of Marty's previous posts I am shocked at the way he is acting now.

I thought I might add that Firehorse and I have both doen business with Kevin in the past (soley Kevin - marty was not involved in our agreements) and Kevin has always come thru on his word .. even with nothign in writing just an verbal agreement on the phone or when he would visit us.

Kevin and Marty TOGETHER offered us a partnership in a project they had goign and we were keen to do it - until Marty ICQ's me one night tellign me to take down soem smilies off our Message board because HE had designed them.

I never heard of anyone gettign anal over a smilie before - god knows they all become "Public Domain" as soon as they hit the screen
so it was then immediately we decided that anyone who takes copyright over a SMILEY so damn seriosuly is not a person to do biz with and we pulled out of the deal before we even got started.

hmm..in a way Im sure glad we did - or we'd be tangled in this whole mess now.

you go girl! you said it much better than i ever could :thumbsup

I was actually thinking of working with (or at least sharing some information with) AWW a while ago- I passed along a special url to them which then got spam reported <i>the very next day</i>- I'd meant to ask Kevin if he'd passed it along to anyone in his organization- I ended up just writing them off as "too likely to shoot me or themselves in the foot."

=^..^= --
Hmm. Not sure why you got mad at the guy for asking you to remove work that he created... Maybe the attitude which he asked, but not the surely not the reason...

Anyway, it is clear to see from their past "good cop / bad cop" on various things that it really isn't prudent to take sides. I'll wait and see how things turn out on their own.

There are only a few times that you can cry "wolf, " and get people to run

We were under no obligation to display your work. I have never claimed it as mine and Kevin still has a copy of it. Only because it's not online doesn't mean that I did anything against you.


I was never paid for any work I did because it was made quite clear that it was not for sale and we never had an arrangement that I would work FOR you, only WITH you. The only payments I ever received were my share of the advertising revenue.


When we were driving to your place I asked Kevin what he thought of Kitty and his reply was that he met her once before in a cafe and that he was so embarred to be see in public with her. I might be arrogant and take pride in my work, but I'm not two faced! If I don't like you I'll tell it to your face. Plus Kevin only wanted to take advantage of you guys because you had "nothing better to do with your doll sucking asses", according to him.


You should see the email list he has accumulated with an email harvester and by recording emails left right and center, especially from those who add their sites to be listed in the AWW resources. Plus he's been looking for ways to send emails to all those addresses without running into difficulties with the Australian spamming laws. So if anyone wants to sell some software, buzz him at [email protected] or [email protected]


And if you want references regarding his business dealings why don't you start ask Mogul for a reference.

now i know who took my name on aww

Q 83
FOX 195
mokka 227
Paul_CC 223
stan_the_man 85
Marty 1129
florian 285
Klaus... 128
newbie 612
c u n t 1
HornyDevil 149
No Fat Chicks 25
aussietrend 27
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total 3169


:thefinger

You know your board is popular when the other popular boards come and dump their garbage on you lawn for better exposure :)

I didnt wont to comment on this until I spoke to both Kevin and Marty.
Marty why are you so keen on destorying yourself your acting like a school boy throwing a tantrum. When I asked Kevin what sparked this mess I wasnt sure he was giveing me all the facts until I spoke to you so it seems from nowhere you decided that you wern't making enough money and then start posting this type of thing. You say Kevin is lazy and not pulling his wieght witch to a point is true. What most people dont know is Kevin's wife has had cancer and he has been very busy by her side while see had treatment driveing hours everyday to the hospital. So you call that being lazy I call it my friend needs help.
You say he cheated you but you also say you have been payed everything you where owed so what gives here?
As for stealing your work thats a big grey area proveing this you dont have the money for.
Lying while everyone dose it It seems you belive yours.
So it comes down to the fact that Kevin didnt make you enough money mostly because he has pre occutpied with a very sick wife and instead of being the freind he thougt you where and working a bit harder yourself to increase your income you chose to attact him like this. Marty I ask you to stop this BS you are only makeing things worse for yourself. You may think it dosent matter because your going to leave this industry. I dont think anybody will miss you. :2 cents:

Kev I'm sorry to hear about this mate :( If you need anything just ICQ me.

There's a good way to solve this..

Put the website properties in an escrow account (my hands), and then we need to stick the two of you in an arena with lots of fire and wild animals. Then each of you gets a sledge hammer, last one out wins.

The two of you need to duke it out with sledge hammers.. and stream it live for GFY to vote on who should win.

aaaaaaaaaaaand action!:winkwink:

Because he's in posession of my propperty and if he can get away with it, every designer is disadvantaged.


From nowhere? I have meters of ICQ logs of me complaining about his lazyness and lack of ethics in honouring our agreement. This has been going on for over a year.


That was months ago and I've been on his back since December 2002 about finding someone to sell the advertising for him because he hasn't pulled his weight before and after his wifes illness. He finally found someone 2 weeks ago and was only just setting up her email. My pations has worn out now.


Do I look like lifeline? I worked long and hard to build what I had and his wifes illness was not an issue except for 6 weeks in the period between Feb 2002 and now. That's over 14 months.


I was paid the monies owed according to our agreement. What gives is the fact that he copied and uploaded my property. I did not work FOR him and he does not own my work. My work was not to be his property nor was it available to be purchased.


My work was not for sale untill 3 days ago. He can either delete it of the server or purchase it of me for a just price.


I worked thousands of hours over the last year and you are telling me that the 10 hours he spent driving his wife to the hospital make up for that? I got paid peanuts because less than a bare minimum of advertising was sold. We had 112 spots for advertising totaling US$11,000 worth per month and there wasn't a single month where we had more than 3 (three) ad sold. And I'm talking about the entire last YEAR.


People like you are making things worse because you have no idea what you are talking about. As soon as you heard that his wife was ill you'd excuse his constant failing in honoring his part of the agreement. This did not just happen in the last week. This has been going on for over a year.

We started our ventures in February 2002 and I have dozens of ICQ logs, emails and actual conversation witnesses, that I have been asking for a written contract between us. I finnaly got it in December 2002 and you can see what a load of shit it is right here.

I just want him to either take down my work or buy it of me, and that's the end of this argument.

just so everyone knows the "just price" he's asking is
$15.000 WHAT A JOKE !

tell you what...since i have waisted enough time on this matter
simply send back (email) everything belonging to me
( tutorials, articles, interviews, resource submissions, AWW's previous design etc.etc.)

and i will delete the current design !

end of story !

By your own admission, you don't own anything other than those items mentioned above. Fair enough except for this.

The tutorials (the ones I didn't write myself), the articles (the ones I didn't write myself) and the resource submissions were sent to me for my resource site. If any of them were sent to you I guess they would be yours and then it is your fault for not having a copy of them. The 2 interviews are yours and you do have a copy of them, and your previous site you can download from here .

In regards to the price, I asked for AUS$15,000 which is about US$9,250 for the design, functionallity and content which I have accumulated and produced over the last 14 months. All the stuff I have was sent to me for my resources. The price would pay for a completely established and proven site.

I guess you'll be removing my stuff then and pay me 50% of any advertising revenue generated by the resource site according to our contract? You know that I offered you the termination of our contract with the sale of the site.

:321GFY biatch

Baby, You're a Rich Man - (Lennon/McCartney)

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE?
NOW THAT YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE,
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BE?
AND HAVE YOU TRAVELLED VERY FAR,
FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE?

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HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU BEEN THERE,
OFTEN ENOUGH TO KNOW?
WHAT DID YOU SEE WHEN YOU WERE THERE,
NOTHING THAT DOESN'T SHOW.

BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN,
BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN,
BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN, TOO.
YOU KEEP ALL YOUR MONEY IN A BIG BROWN BAG INSIDE A ZOO;
WHAT A THING TO DO!
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BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN, TOO.

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE?
TUNED TO A NATURAL E,
HAPPY TO BE THAT WAY?
NOW THAT YOU FOUND ANOTHER KEY,
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO PLAY?

BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN,
BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN,
BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN, TOO.
YOU KEEP ALL YOUR MONEY IN A BIG BROWN BAG INSIDE A ZOO;
WHAT A THING TO DO!
BABY, BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN,
BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN,
BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN, TOO.

OH, OH, OH,
BABY, YOU'RE A RICH MAN,
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OH, OH,
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Glad to see Kevin and Marty fucking each other for all to see. It couldn't happen to two more worthy guys. My advice to anyone who is considering doing business with either of these two in the future is to read board history - read what has been written in the names of "AWW" and "Marty", then decide if it is wise to have your business associated with them.

As for Marty's big cop out...
That is quite honestly the funniest thing I have read in ages. Marty, you truly are a boy in a game for men and women.

The saga continues!

He just sent me these ICQ messages in response to me calling his admission in the last post on the 2nd page of this thriller.



[22:56] Kevin: not worth responding to

design will stay (since it's mine) ppl submitted articles to AWW (which is me)
not to you...only because you have email access doesn't mean shit!
anyway i took a screenshot of your reply

anyone with half a brain knows that stuff belongs to me
look at ppl replies !
you are wrong and have a chance to fix it..the last chance
[22:57] Kevin: ohh and posting on a public is not a good idea

u know the word slander?
[23:04] Kevin: wtf is my site doing on your server ???

why do you steal my site design your own !!!!

took a screenshot!!!




All I can say is that the resource site is not yours (as you admitted in your last post), plus anyone with half a brain knows that slander involves false statement and lies (everything I have posted and said is true), and thirdly, you asked for your site and since you are not my boss I have decided to let you take it yourself. And the fact that you have commented about it being online proves that you are now in posession of it. Plus I have just emailed it to [email protected] and taken it from this http://www.mousefx.com/aww/old_site/index.html location.

hey marty, were you molested by a priest when you were younger?

The deadline has just passed and if you can see a site resembling this design on this site http://www.adultwebmasterworld.com then you are witness to Kevin committing a crime.

No, but by Kevins father when I was 14 !

Wow, if that isn't illegal what you just said, I don't know what is...

Now Kevin, ask Lens to send you IP logs and information of Marty's account to prove it was him who said it, IP record history of what ip / range he has logged in under will prove consistent with this post proving that it was him.... If Lens doesnt assist, get a lawyer to look into it.

I can't believe Martin just accused Kevin's father of being a child molester.... You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are ya, kid?

We'll await Kevin's response to this first.

Somehow I don't think he will be taking any action against me.

i will not but i'm sure my father will,
i took screenshots and i'm about to call adult.com,
that's all i have to say about this !

that was a fuckin stupid thing to say Marty :glugglug even though you both actin like kids, up in this motherfucker.

I can't believe you would post this just to get even with Kevin. Wether it's true or not is irrelevant to this whole thread and shows your true character.

I have been reasonable enough in giving him 3 days to remove my stuff or to purchase it of me.

He has admitted that he is not the owner of my designs.

The designs are still up on the site www.adultwebmasterworld.com and you can believe me, I have not said one untrue word in this entire thread.

In regards to me telling everyone about his father, my mother and I have received threats (yes threats) over the last few days and if that is the game he wants to play I'm ready.

Anyone else who wants to hear some juicy stuff can contact me.

burkhard AT mousefx.com
or ICQ 147571357

you are digging your grave, nobody cares jackass... move on with your pethetic, greasy little worthless life...

Bingo.

Kevin has a good reputation in this biz, and has for a few years now. When I see Marty going around to all these other boards out there, ranting and raving like a little baby, it really makes me wonder who in their right mind would ever have any dealings with you ever again.

:2 cents:

It means you took shit offline which belonged to Kevin, since he was the one that asked me to put it up. Although it doesn't matter to me whether it's up or not (I don't get anything out of it, so I don't really care), it makes it very clear that you deleted more than what you created / put online yourself.

Kevin didn't seem to mind all along.

Marty's always been an ass. Just read his posts. I sort of find it funny everyone dogs on Marty, but Kevin condoned his behavior all along and people think Kevin is great.

*shrugs*

Excellent analysis FatPad.

Attention getting...the same bullshit posturing that you are ragging on Marty about, you celebrate from pimpjuice...and if i recall for all you telling Marty to get out of the biz...pimp did far worse LOL.

MutherFuckers like drama at GFY!! :1orglaugh

Stop being fucking hypocrites! Marty and Kevin were obviously in the game together, so don't simply call Marty an ass because he played bad cop.

Contreversey is "Marketing," adultnet style. Right???!!

So, STFU already, sit back and enjoy more drama.

Bit like a soap opera, really.

Kevin's dad fucks Marty - Marty goes into biz with Kevin. Marty fucks Kevin (By removing site).

May be best for both to leave the adult world until pubity is reached?

What you people don't understand is that the resource section was never Kevins.

Cenario: GFY doesn't have resources, but I do. If I said to Lensman 'lets put my resources on your site and we'll split the revenue' than that does not give him ownership over my resources or me ownership over the board.

That is exactly what happened with AWW. My resources combined with his board under the AWW banner.

Now that I have removed my propperty and he has copied it and is displaying it makes him the thief!