200 bitches!

Hey Far-L can you click the ICQ link in my sig and message me real quick, I have a couple questions for you.

Well GFY, it was fun. But I'm out.

Just came in to rile things up.

Thanks to Farrell Timlake, the greatest visionary and porn girl savior the world has ever known. He will never ever lose touch with what the consumer wants. He's the best ever!

Thanks to DigiPimp who thinks a girl who gets paid $200 to suck stranger cock and eat a lump of thick goo is not a whore.

Thanks to Mutt. Actually I really do respect his work and the people who work around him.

Before we all go nuts about MeatHoles or SadoSlaves or MaxHardcore or all these 'degrading' sites, we all have to understand something. What's captured on film isn't necessarily the whole story.

Let's not all get judgmental without knowing what really transpired. I ain't gonna bore you all with details. But look into yourselves and see if there is a double standard with porn. It's not fantasyland. Unlike horror movies which show girls getting supposedly sliced up, porn is real. That dick going in the asshole is real. That's what Middle America and the Christian Right loathe and lump us all together.

Who's to say BRF is degrading? Sure it's staged. I know a handful of girls who worked there and. though there were plenty who say the shoot was respectful, the final product makes them look like Meat Holes.

I personally don't know where MeatHoles.com will go. I may can the site. I actually do have some moral problems with it but I was on some of the sets, I hang out with the girls outside the shoots, but it was an experiment worth doing.

My other sites will be tamer by comparison. Trust me. It's because they are not part of the Khan Tusion network. I work with anyone who have compelling, original ideas and will provide the whores, errr, girls. It helps cause I have access to nearly every girl in the biz.

Don't take yourself too seriously. We're pornographers, not fucking accountants.

WW

i don't claim to be any kind of pimp.

Pimp or pimpin has become more of a slang term at this point thrown around to mean many various things, not just the once known meaning from many years ago.

i hate the dilution of terms.

Don't kid yourself. If he wants to go ahead with the site, he'll find a processor that will work with him.

As for the trailers, I didn't watch any. What was described sounds unpleasant to me. I, personally, avoid dealing with or promoting porn that I consider to be excessively violent or degrading. I am willing to defend someone else's right to publish it but that doesn't mean it suits my particular taste.

SpaceAce

I had that argument with some people I know who live in Wales. They just can't get their mind around the fact that "pimp" no longer refers just to violent, drug-dealing sadists pushing poon on the corners. I tried to explain that the word is now most comonly used to denote someone who is cool or rich or a success with the ladies, but they simply wouldn't listen.

Pimps have a bad rep :)

SpaceAce

Digipimp: I am on a dial up right now and a laptop that does not have icq set up right now... might be quicker to email me....

[email protected]

*cough-cough*




You beat me to it.

I think that you guys (dirty d's wanker wang) and who ever else backs this sort of degrading behaviour are all a bunch of sick fucks and have no respect for anyone. Not even yoursleves.

I have been in the porn industry for several years as a model for magazines and talent for videos and this is some of the worst SHIT I have seen and heard here. The way you refer to these girls is really fucked up. You don't care about them or what you do to them.

I agree with Kitty about Homegrown. Out of all the professional work that I have done. FarL and homegrown have been some of the most respectable and reputable people I have had the oppurtunity to meet and work with. They will always carry a ruputation that will out live yours forever. You will never lead a fully succesful biz. You will be taken down some day. So live your fantasy now IT WON'T LAST!!

vegasdude is getting an xbox for sure.

I say we ban murder on TV, that's worse than choking, right? I have seen some realistic murder scenes with the heads being blown off etc...ITS OBSCENE!

I think the best things to do is draw as much attention to him as possible........isn't that STUPID??......lets get as many special interest groups on this as possible...GIVE ME A BREAK. Someone will find your site as repulsive as his and feel the same way. :thumbsup

I guess many of us just want to tighten the rope around our own neck and sites. Fuck.

-Tom

Mutt can you icq me please?

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There cannot be any proof that everything is OK. Abuse is a crime. Battery is a crime. Both can reach the felony level. No one can legally agree to commit a crime. So with, or without, consent a crime is still being comitted. All pornographers are lumped into the same basket by John Q Public and it is this kind of stuff that will bring more and more heat down on all pornographers. As far as I am concerned this crap, though different, is on the same level of disgust as CP.

well there's no doubt the line that defines what's obscene, what's immoral, is very blurred. What's legally obscene is never known until a jury decides. U.S. needs federal obscenity definitions, this community standards yardstick is ridiculous, what's fine in Los Angeles isn't going to be fine in Oklahoma.

BackRoomFacials and Bangbus for that matter degrade the girls in their scenes but it doesn't make you gasp or feel sick like when you see the Ashley Blue trailer.

Most gonzo porn videos and Internet sites today now are on the trend started by Anabolic and the other successful gonzo studios, the whole 'these are some filthy stupid little whores who will do anything for money, watch us help them degrade themselves!'.
This is what seems to be scoring with consumers and web surfers.

Wanker, not all the porn girls are up for this. You guys are working with the newest girls and the girls on the edge - of poverty and sanity maybe. There are fairly intelligent porn girls who have computers and surf the Net, i know two who found websites they are on and read the whole 'story' the webmaster wrote about them describing them as drunks or crackheads and how they are whores etc. Both girls won't shoot for the Internet anymore. Maybe they're not the smartest girls in the world and don't understand that they are essentially playing characters but
they don't like it. You don't see the same kind of copy on an Anabolic or Redlight boxcover. This is an Internet webmaster invention.

Email me at [email protected]

Wanker Wank it's time to meet the MACHINES...!!!

Lets talk tomorrow about what we can do.

There is room for your work with Machines and Some Whipped Bitches....!!!!

The reason bullshit that is intentionally degrading and violent is selling is because there are such a huge amount of guys that are sexually frustrated. Or basically aren't getting or able to get any pussy. And they are angry about it and they being to hate women because of it and they feel inadequate and develop a complex. This results in these men feeling anger, hatred and it gets to the point of having violent feelings at women in general. So when they see these women acting this way they are thinking of the women that laugh at them or won't give them a piece of ass and how it makes them feel like a loser and they see that girl getting slapped and beat and fucked real hard the whole time they are thinking of the women they encounter in their daily lives. So porn like this doesn't sell to your average customer, it sells to the losers that I described and there are a lot of them out there unfortunately.

I really hate it when I agree with you :feels-hot

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Why would I get nailed? I'm an outsourced webmaster. I work and deliver content to any sites with my staff of minions as long as the fee is proper.

WW
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If I am not mistaken, if you take a job at a company and get involved in illegal activity, you are guilty...correct? Government will just say you should have walked away.

I have heard stories about people taking off-shore jobs creating gambling websites.....when they returned to the US, they were busted because they were involved in a business that was illegal in the US.

If you shoot a kiddie porn video, but don't partake, would you not go to jail for shooting the video?

So, you state you are just the webmaster and shot some of the videos. Well, if this ends up being illegal and the government presses charges, I would greatly think that you will be charged, too.

Damn...I am holding firmly to my chair awaiting the earthquake to hit.

Damn, where did all those hahahahaha's come from?

I have seen ashley blue before in some redlight porno,

she was getting throat gagged, she was crying and she was sticking her hand in her mouth, and getting chocked and getting smacked,

so this is twice I see this girl getting fucked up,

so I tend to believe, its something shes into, wether miss guided or not, she probably liked it on some fucked up level, otherwise why would she be doing this stuff, for money, not once, but twice now Ive seen her,

so on that fact, that she is into it, I dont think this guy should go to jail for some kinda asaullt or rape,

but I still think the content is obscene,for general consumption, staged as it is

we should regulate ourselves, on this one, just dont do business with the guy and hell never become main stream,

hell only have a market to peddle this shit if we create one for him,


I say, dont sell the program, and lobby the processors against him, and seperate ours selves from him,

You havent meet me... I am very respectfull.... anyone who konws me knows that I am.... what happends when the camera is on... we ACT...

Khan Tusion, Max Hardcore, and Wankers stuff are all extreme pornography to the farthest depth of deprivity.

If you haven't seen a Max Hardcore film, go watch one. He makes the most degrading stuff around. I knew a lot of the major vid mfrs. when I lived in LA, and everyone had the same opinions on these guys that go into the deep end. So its not just the Net guys on GFY. These guys have lots of people that have a major problem with them in the biz.

Rob Zicari aka Rob Black runs Extreme Associates. To give you an idea of their entertainment and how far they go, they had a promotion to get signups where they were going to put a live dog, a chihuahua, on one of their webcams being suffocated and eaten alive by a Boa Constrictor.

Zicari was the guy busted this month on April 8th when his warehouse was raided by the Feds. So he is already in deep shit.

The HoboFuck controversy was about picking up girls ala bangbus and then surprising them with not a regular guy to fuck in the van, but a total stink smelling bum off the streets. This is even more dangerous to models than the choking stuff and violates the rules of disease testing that most industry guys adhere to religiously so no actors and actresses get aids and the like. Allegedly after the girls were coherced into giving the stinking bums a blowjob, they were also coherced into licking the bums asshole out. With that you are clearly putting the models at risk of catching a ton of diseases.

There is obviously a market for these types of videos. There are a lot of sick fucks in this world that actually derive immense sexual gratification watching girls get abused to this extent. Its a problem with society as much as it is with the companies producing this shit.

Don't worry about all these guys eventually getting busted cause they will, one by one, as we've already seen this month, the Feds are on top of them and investigating all these producers of ultra over the edge hardcore porn. If they don't get jail time, they'll certainly have their money taken away and their businesses all fucked up at the least.

Josh @ Oxcash told me they removed 2 episodes simply because the girl said "no" at some place in the 60 minute video.

You cannot produce any content where the girl show off she doesn't want... acting or not.

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Sorry to cut and paste most of this but it is relevent to the discussion here:

I shot for two and half years with Max Hardcore, both as talent and crew.

I know from first hand experience the "getting up and running out" part that you don't see in the edited final product.

In all the time I was working with him, I met two models that were actually up to his level of abuse as "willing" participants that are truly turned on by that kind of action. The majority of others were "deer caught in the headlights".

When they got up and ran, I was the "good cop" to Max's "bad cop". Instead of getting a confession, we were psychologically manipulating the talent into finishing the scene. I quit to pursue Homegrown and vowed that I would never allow us to become like that. Now I have had ten years of reconciling the bad kharma that experience brought upon me.

If you honestly think that all those women were into it, then you probably believe that other porn contrivance; namely, that all women love to be ass fucked and then be glazed with a facial.

As I have said, if it is consensual that is fine with me if two people spit on each other, pee on each other, beat each other to a pulp, whatever. I just have a problem with these LA producers that are so intent on "getting the goods".

They want to manipulate, cajole, threaten, and intimidate the model into doing something that she has not done and won't want to do again so they have the "exclusive". Max has told me on more than one occaision that he is happy when he has a brand new model that leaves the biz after working with him. Khan Tusion, the Sweets, and Rob Black are no different.

(I don't know DS, but if he thinks he is an exception to the rule then so be it... I will give him the benifit of the doubt... I just know that you can't get good degradation scenes unless you are actually degrading the model... and to do that her will needs to be broken... none of these folks are really "actresses" after all... until that sense of reality is actually achieved)

This is not about defending or impeding people's right to consensual sex acts. This is about the kind of irresponsible behaviour that is dangerous to the liberties our industry currently still enjoys.

I see the comparison to Hollywood and stunt people and the chances that one has to expect to take. The big difference is that these models do not have insurance, nor is there a health professional handy in case something goes wrong, nor are there harnesses or special effects that can safely realize the appearance of danger onscreen. They are shooting real acts with people that do not have the kind of training in pain that an experienced sub/dom know how to take and deliver.

This is not about censorship. This is about self regulation so we can conduct biz without the government stepping in to do it for us.

The 'line' is <B>consent</B> given by someone of legal age.

When she agreed she drew her 'line' - she gave <B>consent</B>as someone of legal age.

The '<B>line</B>' is <B>consent</B> given by someone of legal age. No one has given <i>us</i> the right to decide for someone else. If you don't like what you see there is a little box with an 'X' in the top corner of the browser window.

For the most part, I think the most important thing is for people to be able to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't interfere with others having that same freedom.

However, first of all, I can be simply disguested by some things. There is nothing wrong with having limits to what you can stand to know about happening. Someone selling videos of women being abused, consentually or not, pushes a lot of our buttons.

I think there is more of a case here for this being wrong than simple discomfort, though. It is not an uncommon position that there are rights that a person cannot sign away... Mostly because there are things that no person should have to do, just because they need the money or whatever.

In the end, I think this site crossed all sorts of lines. I imagine the girls had their doubts, as they were filming... Even if they gave their consent before, I don't trust a situation where consent can't be withdrawn. With a strong man's hand around your throat, or once you have passed out, there isn't really an option to change your mind. That's why hardcore fetishists have safe words. No matter how much someone says they want something, people change their minds-- and it isn't okay to do those things once they have. It is your responsibility not to do things that someone can't stop you from doing.

I hope someone does get these guys on obscenity charges, and maybe even assault and battery. Who knows what else. People should have limits, and maybe if they get charged some people will wake up and realize that.

Have you been paying attention?


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co·erce ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-ûrs)

To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel.

To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly: coerced the strikers into compliance. See Synonyms at force.

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Thank goodness for sites like meatholes.com. At least the DOJ will be too busy prosecuting guys like them to be bothered with the rest of us.

B

Good point. In other words, some "consent" isn't.

These are the type of sites that make them look at us in the first place...

Agreed - so what stops them
a) running out screaming?
b) coming back with a lawsuit/big guy+basball bat?

I watched the clips and know lasses that wouldn't blink at that sort of bedroom antics. I also don't believe that anyone is so weak that they cannot stand up and say 'enough' when they have reached the line they have drawn.

a) The possibility that they have been coerced.
b) The night is still young, my friend.

Hey, that's great. Makes this alright, I guess. http://home.cogeco.ca/~honeypine/rolleyes.gif


Did you miss the part about some of these girls being drug addicts and/or destitute? Try and keep up...

I just got off the phone with one of the models from this site who is pretty new to the business (about 3 or 4 months) and from what i hear her tailer is one of the milder ones. I actually cannot bring myself to watch this crap. Anyway, i called her to ask her what the fuck really happened....

she said that she showed up for a regular boy/girl scene (they did in fact pay a little extra for this shit....they paid about 1/3 more than her usual B/G rate) and was told there would be some "light slapping and light choking...nothing too major."
She said she was slapped in the face and on the ass....she had welts on her ass for a week afterwards. They choked her bad enough that she was having trouble breathing. She said she cried a lot and got really really scared. I asked her why she agreed to do the scene and she said "well, i know some guys get off on that kind of stuff, but they told me it was all going to be light smacking and nothing too hard for the choking part. They said it was more about the gagging..." Then i asked her why she continued to let it happen even when she was scared and hurting....she said because she didnt want to walk off a set and get a bad reputation this early in her career.


so, maybe it is staged, maybe they are lied to, maybe she was just one of the lucky ones.....maybe one of them is going to get seriously hurt. Crazy dudes told her that one of the girls actually passed out and that she sued them and now they cant do the choking like that anymore.

I feel bad for the girls who dont have the guts to walk off set. They probably have a fear that they will be hurt even more, or that they wont get paid and the footage that they shot already will still end up everywhere.

And there we have it. That answers it pretty well, as far as I am concerned. Coercion.

If anyone didn't think a lot of these women were intimidated and coerced then they would have to be a dumbass. Of course they are intimidated and coerced, offered more money and if they don't cooperate immediately then they are threatened about how no one will hire them again, and lied to about how it won't be that bad. If you can't be honest and upfront about your biz and you have to intimidate people into working then you shouldn't be in business. Someone is going to lay good a fucking beating to these guys soon and I hope I'm there to participate in the boot party.

Most of us with any credibility realize that this is a business and that a business is supposed to be run with legitimate means. You have to be honest and upfront with the women and inform them the gravity of the decision they are making, or else you will end up getting fucked at some point. Don't you want the people that participate in your videos and photoshoots to actually want to do what they are doing or do you feel you need to mistreat and degrade people because you are paying and that's all there is to it? Get a little respect for others and a little self respect while you're at it, because judgement day for assholes like you guys is coming.

Apparently you've never met the victim of domestic violence.

Apparently you've never met someone under duress.

Apparently you've never met the victim of alcohol abuse, drug abuse, child abuse, spousal abuse, etc.

If you freeze out of panic, or from past experiences that trained you to react a certain way to sexual violence -- yeah, I can very much believe that a girl can't bring herself to stand up and say no. It's happened to me -- the current situation triggers a gut-level feeling from my past, and I fall into the pattern of behavior that got me through it the first time: say yes, be good, do what you're told, and you'll live through it. Even if the current situation is NOT life-threatening, or was negotiated for beforehand, it can still trigger that hind-brain, primitive fear in me.

You can't understand this kind of thing if you haven't lived it, believe me. That's why the clips upset me so badly.

On editing: Yeah. What Sly said.

Kat: Why would you believe that "no one could be that weak"?

The truth is that it has nothing to do with weakness. Even strong people can be coerced to do things that they would not do under normal circumstances.

It is easy if they think that their reputation or livelihood is on the line.

Wild times in this biz....


Wild.

Does it make you feel big, and tough to make those vids? Is that why you make this shit?
Staged or not, the people that become members are hoping its not staged, and your just giving the sick motherfuckers in this world what they want and making them believe more and more that this type of shit is normal and ok.
When your rotting in the pen for this shit, and not having to worry
about the future of this industry, us normal, honest webmasters
will be feeling the heat from your stupidity and greed.

Laura are you talking about the tall beautiful blonde girl who has also modelled for Oliver Klozov?

There are a few girls on that site who are seriously damaging their careers, those girls have 'contract girl' potential. They don't anymore, the girls who do those sites get kinda blackballed by the big studios who do feature movie style porn.

Farrell, your experiences with Max were 10 years ago. You say 2 girls in your opinion were 'up to it' out of the shoots you were on. It seems in the 10 years since that there is a new breed of girl hitting the L.A. porn scene, and of course there are more 'Max Hardcore's waiting for them. 10 years ago maybe 5 or 10% of the girls would be up to working with Max or Khan Tusion, to be slapped, spit on, verbally humiliated, choked - looks to me like it's much higher these days. Maybe not 50% but probably 20-30% of the new young girls.

I still think it's morally bankrupt and business wise it's irresponsible, short sighted and a threat to everybody connected to the porn industry but it seems to me that a significant percentage of these girls today are up to it, unlike 10 years ago.

A lot has changed in the culture, 'EXTREME' isn't just a porn biz buzz word, it's everywhere.

Mutt: I can appreciate what you are saying and it is true that it is much more intense now than then and the level of competition to get noticed has sharpened as well.

I have no problem with those that know what is up and are ready for what is expected. I am fine with not watching it and accept that there is a market for something that i personally revile. (puking and people nearly dying just does not do it for me)

My issue has to do with taking people and breaking their will to get something from them. Call me a freak but I just don't feel that is a way to be in this world.

I know
I suck

i'm on your side Farrell.

i do worry about what happens if the market, meaning the people who buy porn, join paysites, if they all want this stuff.

it would be a moral dilemma for people if it came down to losing a business because their content was too tame.

I agree and I too think what they do is a threat to the industry, but others would say that you need something on that edge to help define the line between what is and what is not acceptable in a free society. I understand and feel just as bogged in that moral quandry as any body else.

I am not so confursed about the morality of abusing and taking advantage of those models for financial gain. Call me the hippie but I just don't sit well with the idea of fucking over the people you fuck.

I must admit that what those of that ilk do does bring out the monster in me... but i can't help it...

"Sometimes I just go...beserk"
- Billy Jack

Their problem. I go to work and risk getting vapourised, blown up, poisoned, electrocuted for a lot less than these girls make. I do it for the money so I don't become destitute. We are all whores

Ya - I agree.

That would be my dead mum. STFU asswipe.

Why would I believe that no-one could be that weak?? Because I can only think of having a gun in the mouth of one of my friends/family to get me to do something I don't want to. Unless the money was right and if the money was right I wouldn't be complaining.

fuck took me an hour to read this thread

hit yer puffer man, something tells me this isn't over...