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The Porn Nerd · 01-06-2018, 11:49 PM

FIDDY shitty traffic drops!

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Originally Posted by Diomed

I don't understand people who don't understand how much opportunity has arisen from the consolidation of all of this traffic into so few outlets.

Paid traffic requires up front investment, but it's oh so scalable once you have a margin you are happy with ;)

Yes BUT...finding that "margin you are happy with" can be expensive, time consuming and fruitless. Depends on what you are buying ads for. Cams or dating or dick pills? OK sure. Paysites? Not so much but maybe...

And scaling may be easier but I bet ceilings are hit quicker and more permanently with so few big traffic sources. Then it's a game of going wide.

thommy · 01-07-2018, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Paysites? Not so much but maybe...

i can see it more and more because media buyers getting bored of offers what are working a day or a week and then they are gone.

in 99% of all cases a buyer have to invest money in finding the right product and strategy for it - it can not happen when this product is gone then.

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And scaling may be easier but I bet ceilings are hit quicker and more permanently with so few big traffic sources. Then it's a game of going wide.

to scale that is not much easier as when you try it with own traffic. but to market products AND scaling traffic are 2 fulltime jobs. if one person wants to make 2 jobs he is just able to put 50% of his energy in each and that means he will be overtaken from the ones who can spend 100% of their energy.

the advantage as a pure buyer is that you do not have to generate the fitting traffic before you can market a specific product. you just buy it at the time when the product is hot.

but even here I can see a big difference in the past few years.
as media buying is also a biz where know how makes the difference there are good and bad media buyers around.
the rules of any economy leads to the fact that the one who can make most profit with this know how is able to pay most for the traffic.

this fact brings the whole concept into a new level where every part of the marketing will be done by professionals (starting at traffic generation, over media buy til the final product). this leads to a higher exhaustion and more total revenues.

it is true that the number of competitors in this market decreased (in fact it did not because the only thing what happend is that the qualified ones are focusing on just one thing) but i have never seen more people with really HIGH incomes as I can see now.

celandina · 01-08-2018, 09:59 AM

New and original inspiring content is a king. It was, is and always will be....So if you must recycle others people shit you will get shit in return....

FYI: in addition to buying the download of a new video, a customer has asked how much would it cost to get the colorfull knee-highs one of the girls wore....Thinking it was a humorous suggestion our office clerk said 500 dollars...When the money came we felt so guilty we "threw in" the pair of panties she had on in the same video for free.

Now he wants an "Amazon" wearing a wool type of tunic in the next video, and will send the tunic as long as we will send it back when finished....He will "contribute" 1500 dollars towards the cost of production...

The point I am making if you make content somebody out there likes, you get extra benefits.

GAMEFINEST · 01-08-2018, 10:17 AM

Go niche specific, gone are the general shit.

phil-flash · 01-08-2018, 11:31 AM

Where there is a will... there is a way.

Working hard is not always a thrill... but it does equate to good pay.

The Porn Nerd · 01-08-2018, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

i can see it more and more because media buyers getting bored of offers what are working a day or a week and then they are gone.

in 99% of all cases a buyer have to invest money in finding the right product and strategy for it - it can not happen when this product is gone then.

to scale that is not much easier as when you try it with own traffic. but to market products AND scaling traffic are 2 fulltime jobs. if one person wants to make 2 jobs he is just able to put 50% of his energy in each and that means he will be overtaken from the ones who can spend 100% of their energy.

the advantage as a pure buyer is that you do not have to generate the fitting traffic before you can market a specific product. you just buy it at the time when the product is hot.

but even here I can see a big difference in the past few years.
as media buying is also a biz where know how makes the difference there are good and bad media buyers around.
the rules of any economy leads to the fact that the one who can make most profit with this know how is able to pay most for the traffic.

this fact brings the whole concept into a new level where every part of the marketing will be done by professionals (starting at traffic generation, over media buy til the final product). this leads to a higher exhaustion and more total revenues.

it is true that the number of competitors in this market decreased (in fact it did not because the only thing what happend is that the qualified ones are focusing on just one thing) but i have never seen more people with really HIGH incomes as I can see now.

Having done some media buys myself - the highest was $25,000 about five years ago - I am very familiar with both the expensive learning curve AND the constant attention and adaptions required to be successful. It is absolutely a 100% full-time job.

But again we get into the "big vs. small(er)" concept. If you have seemingly endless resources and can throw literally hundreds of thousands of dollars at production, media buys, etc then being a less-than-million a year company you will struggle to see similar results.

Far better (I think) is to buy/send traffic to white label cams and dating sites than to throw $ at advertising paysites. I've crunched the numbers and to just break even with paysites the volume you have to do is insane with a direct media buy. Maybe sending $100 a day here and there can be done but what kind of ROI do you get that way?

No, serious media buys are for companies willing to invest thousands to see a return and you have to be in it for the long term. There's very little "hit and run" overnight sensations these days.

If I am wrong PM me and I will invest. LOL

RandyRandy · 01-08-2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mce

It appears to be headed to 1:100K

In what universe?

thommy · 01-09-2018, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Having done some media buys myself - the highest was $25,000 about five years ago - I am very familiar with both the expensive learning curve AND the constant attention and adaptions required to be successful. It is absolutely a 100% full-time job.

But again we get into the "big vs. small(er)" concept. If you have seemingly endless resources and can throw literally hundreds of thousands of dollars at production, media buys, etc then being a less-than-million a year company you will struggle to see similar results.

Far better (I think) is to buy/send traffic to white label cams and dating sites than to throw $ at advertising paysites. I've crunched the numbers and to just break even with paysites the volume you have to do is insane with a direct media buy. Maybe sending $100 a day here and there can be done but what kind of ROI do you get that way?

No, serious media buys are for companies willing to invest thousands to see a return and you have to be in it for the long term. There's very little "hit and run" overnight sensations these days.

If I am wrong PM me and I will invest. LOL

i am pretty sure that much more mediabuyers would be willing to promote membership sites on the long term. the problem here is that most of them are technically so far behind the moon that usual mediabuyer tools can not be used.

the biggest numbers on longterm strategies i see on dating but this is not because of the niche but because most of them are fit to work with modern media buying techniques.

90% of this good old fashioned revshare programms did not see that the market has changed. they still work on the needs for hundrets or thousands of webmasters and did not realize that one big mediabuyer makes much more than 100 average webmasters.
also this 100 webmasters will have a million different wishes while all mediabuyers are working just with the same information tools.

the market´s revenue is actually 90% done with CPA deals - and CPA deals are comming and going. not one serious mediabuyer is happy with that.

here is the innovation hole of this market - not in new products or technologies for the enduser. the porn industry was not able to activate the most professional salesman because they never learned the rules and needs of them.

i just saw one new membership product in the marktet a few days ago what looks like it can work and have all what mediabuyers are needing. as soon as i have a bit time i will try it.

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01-08-2018, 09:59 AM	#53
celandina Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,988	New and original inspiring content is a king. It was, is and always will be....So if you must recycle others people shit you will get shit in return.... FYI: in addition to buying the download of a new video, a customer has asked how much would it cost to get the colorfull knee-highs one of the girls wore....Thinking it was a humorous suggestion our office clerk said 500 dollars...When the money came we felt so guilty we "threw in" the pair of panties she had on in the same video for free. Now he wants an "Amazon" wearing a wool type of tunic in the next video, and will send the tunic as long as we will send it back when finished....He will "contribute" 1500 dollars towards the cost of production... The point I am making if you make content somebody out there likes, you get extra benefits.