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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818

    #1

    So they did a study on "gut feelings"... turns out you're dumb,.

    Who would of thought.

    The study found that people who trust their gut feelins vs actual facts are usually wrong and will often double down after being proven wrong. Oh gee which group of people could that be????

    https://news.osu.edu/news/2017/09/18/fake-news/


    People who tend to trust their intuition or to believe that the facts they hear are politically biased are more likely to stand behind inaccurate beliefs, a new study suggests.

    And those who rely on concrete evidence to form their beliefs are less likely to have misperceptions about high-profile scientific and political issues, said Kelly Garrett, the lead researcher and a professor of communication at The Ohio State University


    Imagine that...
    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.
  • PR_Glen
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2006
    • 9058

    #2
    people using gut feelings over logic is generally universally human. Most people react to things emotionally instead, including you and many others here when it comes to partisan politics. One should be able to see things from both perspectives if you want to actually use logic instead.
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    • crockett
      in a van by the river
      • May 2003
      • 76818

      #3
      Originally posted by PR_Glen
      people using gut feelings over logic is generally universally human. Most people react to things emotionally instead, including you and many others here when it comes to partisan politics. One should be able to see things from both perspectives if you want to actually use logic instead.
      Its the ability to set aside "gut feels" to uselogic and accept facts.. Thats the key here.

      Think about this for a moment.. people on the right for example refuse to believe in global warming being affected by man. They don't disagree based on scientific proof but rather political affilation.

      Meanwhile to believe what they believe would require you to believe that 99.9% of all scientists of this planet and pretty much every govt in the world is in on a big scam.. but of course they the right wingers are the ones who really know whats up..

      Its like this with everything as welll.. its all fake news that Russia trying to attack our election process.. Its all fake news that a guy with a history of scamming people did anything wrong. Benghazi was a cover up.. cheese pizza was child porn and Hillary had a sex dungon.. The list of insanity could go on and on..

      I mean for fucks sake the right wing has gone fucking insane.. I mean fuck the left has some problems, but the right wing is absolutely bat shit crazy.. Their lack of ability to use logic and common sense is driving them off a cliff like a bunch of blind sheep.
      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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      • Barry-xlovecam
        It's 42
        • Jun 2010
        • 18083

        #4
        You can talk yourself into anything but it does not change the facts surrounding that issue.

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        • wehateporn
          Promoting Debate on GFY
          • Apr 2007
          • 27176

          #5
          A low quality and fundamentally flawed study which assumes conspiracies are all wrong, so they conclude that anyone who believes in conspiracies is dumb because they are 'wrong'.

          I've researched gut instinct before, logic comes up better for simple decisions, while gut instinct has superior outcomes for complex. Gut feelings are tools for an uncertain world. They are not a sixth sense or God’s voice. They are based on lots of experience, an unconscious form of intelligence.

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          • marcop
            Confirmed User
            • Nov 2005
            • 4150

            #6
            Originally posted by wehateporn
            A low quality and fundamentally flawed study which assumes conspiracies are all wrong, so they conclude that anyone who believes in conspiracies is dumb because they are 'wrong'.

            I've researched gut instinct before, logic comes up better for simple decisions, while gut instinct has superior outcomes for complex. Gut feelings are tools for an uncertain world. They are not a sixth sense or God?s voice. They are based on lots of experience, an unconscious form of intelligence.
            The trouble with going with your gut is that your gut is usually full of shit.

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            • wehateporn
              Promoting Debate on GFY
              • Apr 2007
              • 27176

              #7
              Originally posted by marcop
              The trouble with going with your gut is that your gut is usually full of shit.
              It separates the good stuff from the shit

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              • crockett
                in a van by the river
                • May 2003
                • 76818

                #8
                Originally posted by wehateporn
                It separates the good stuff from the shit
                Better see a doctor I think yours is broken..
                In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                • 2MuchMark
                  Mark of 2Much.net
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 50969

                  #9
                  I always trust my gut feelings when it comes to meeting new people. If my spidy-senses tells me something is off, I will usually back away.

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                  • mineistaken
                    See signature :)
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 29656

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 2MuchMark
                    I always trust my gut feelings when it comes to meeting new people. If my spidy-senses tells me something is off, I will usually back away.
                    Too bad you can not test how it works out, maybe all people you backed away from were quality ones. So how do you know if your "radar" is working correctly here?

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                    • mechanicvirus
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 4219

                      #11
                      Interesting theory but my cousin wrote that study and he said he was stoned out of his mind and probably was wrong. Ugh I hate when that happens.

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                      • EonBlue
                        Apocalypse
                        • May 2007
                        • 3043

                        #12
                        I remember when the OP and those of like mind had a "gut feeling" that Hilary was going to win the election by a landslide.

                        Huh. Whaddya know?

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                        • ilnjscb
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 8972

                          #13
                          There is generally a "study" to support every conclusion. When it is reviewed and bolstered by others I'll take a look at it.

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                          • bronco67
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 29032

                            #14
                            Originally posted by wehateporn
                            A low quality and fundamentally flawed study which assumes conspiracies are all wrong, so they conclude that anyone who believes in conspiracies is dumb because they are 'wrong'.

                            I've researched gut instinct before, logic comes up better for simple decisions, while gut instinct has superior outcomes for complex. Gut feelings are tools for an uncertain world. They are not a sixth sense or God?s voice. They are based on lots of experience, an unconscious form of intelligence.
                            You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about not actually knowing the knowable...or denying it.

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                            • bronco67
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 29032

                              #15
                              There were a lot of "gut feelings" involved in our election obviously. Not only do Trump supporters go with their gut, they also usually have a big gut. And sometimes a big gunt.

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                              • Diomed
                                Converting like it's 1999
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 6167

                                #16
                                Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                people using gut feelings over logic is generally universally human. Most people react to things emotionally instead, including you and many others here when it comes to partisan politics. One should be able to see things from both perspectives if you want to actually use logic instead.
                                Aptly put.

                                It all begins with both sides agreeing they are being mutually fucked over by this juggernaut of modern day manipulation.
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                                • nico-t
                                  emperor of my world
                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 29903

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by crockett
                                  Who would of thought.

                                  The study found that people who trust their gut feelins vs actual facts are usually wrong and will often double down after being proven wrong. Oh gee which group of people could that be????

                                  https://news.osu.edu/news/2017/09/18/fake-news/


                                  People who tend to trust their intuition or to believe that the facts they hear are politically biased are more likely to stand behind inaccurate beliefs, a new study suggests.

                                  And those who rely on concrete evidence to form their beliefs are less likely to have misperceptions about high-profile scientific and political issues, said Kelly Garrett, the lead researcher and a professor of communication at The Ohio State University


                                  Imagine that...
                                  "or to believe that the facts they hear are politically biased are more likely to stand behind inaccurate beliefs"

                                  Wait... what?

                                  Who funded this? Read that sentence out loud and try to take it serious. Translation: "Believe everything the mainstream media (for-profit corporations) tell you, or you're wrong"

                                  Meanwhile, CNN themselves admitted all they spread is quote "bullshit" and quote "a big nothing burger"...


                                  On a more serious note, I have seen these studies about "fake news". The problem with it is that they treat mainstream media by default as 'real' news. They do not see the bigger, more complex scope of what a news corporation drives and the tactics they use.
                                  In reality, mainstream media could not be any more further from reporting actual facts. So the 'neutral' line in studies towards fake news is always completely off from the start, making these kind of studies worthless.

                                  People like simple, easily identifiable bad guys, like in a 60s Bond movie. The layers, subtlety and professionalism of mainstream media in spreading propaganda is too complex for them. But Alex Jones in a lunatic rage talking about gay fish fits the mold perfectly. The cartoonish bad guy steals the thunder of the real bad guys each and every time, simply because the average joe is not interested in the real bad guys - it doesn't release dopamine, it is not sensational (to them) because it's not that obvious (to them).

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                                  • MrMaxwell
                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                    • Jul 2005
                                    • 10057

                                    #18
                                    Every one is stupid garbage and no one knows anything so fuck everything

                                    This evening my spider legs are up on the back of my neck I'm saying something is going to happen and I see a suspicious this and another thing
                                    Awhile later some goofus comes by to throw eggs at the neighbor's car

                                    There's no substitute for being observant / for having experience
                                    People who double down the more wrong they are should be shot

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                                    • oppoten
                                      NAME THE JEW
                                      • Nov 2007
                                      • 4793

                                      #19
                                      Fuck me, that's some creepy shit.

                                      Originally posted by nico-t
                                      Who funded this? Read that sentence out loud and try to take it serious. Translation: "Believe everything the mainstream media (for-profit corporations) tell you, or you're wrong"
                                      or a "hater".

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                                      • crockett
                                        in a van by the river
                                        • May 2003
                                        • 76818

                                        #20
                                        Some people get mad when the truth gets too close..
                                        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                        • crockett
                                          in a van by the river
                                          • May 2003
                                          • 76818

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Diomed
                                          Aptly put.

                                          It all begins with both sides agreeing they are being mutually fucked over by this juggernaut of modern day manipulation.
                                          There is not sides to truth.. there is right or wrong.
                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                          • ContentBay
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                                            • Jun 2015
                                            • 398

                                            #22
                                            Well whadayaknow!
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                                            • wehateporn
                                              Promoting Debate on GFY
                                              • Apr 2007
                                              • 27176

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by bronco67
                                              You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about not actually knowing the knowable...or denying it.
                                              Two science degrees here from top universities, I used to believe it all, then I learned to follow the money, and look closer, using critical thinking

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                                              • MrMaxwell
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Jul 2005
                                                • 10057

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                Two science degrees here from top universities, I used to believe it all, then I learned to follow the money, and look closer, using critical thinking
                                                Good thinking

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                                                • TheSquealer
                                                  Mayor of Thneedville
                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                  • 26174

                                                  #25
                                                  A), there is no such thing is a "gut feeling" with respect to processing a question. this is a brain process. not a stomach process. though your gut actually drives many brain processes - thats a rather long lecture on a relatively new science and not relevant.

                                                  B) the study is completely idiotic in that it asks users questions about how, when and where they rely on so called "gut feelings" when they have no idea when or if they are doing it. you are only aware of those mental processes which rise to conscious awareness. you have absolutely no fucking clue what happens before that instant. information is processed UNCONSCIOUSLY first... with only a few winning snippets rising to conscious awareness. since you have no conscious awareness of whats being processed unconsciously and as such, no real idea of why you are answering the way you are, its a retarded premise for a "study".

                                                  C) questions are processed quite differently in the brain depending on their content and whether its related to reason, morality, math etc.so again, the idea of a "gut feeling" as a catch all is quite stupid.

                                                  D) rather than explaining to a cesspool of idiots how questions are processed in the brain, its easier to just point out that unconscious bias testing also explains perfectly why this study is stupid.

                                                  When you flash words like "african american + good" on a screen - then measure the time it takes the user to hit "agree" or "disagree" - there is a great deal of hesitation with people who initially agree, then hesitate and choose the socially acceptable answer.

                                                  The initial flash of positive or negative emotional affect which happens unconsciously (i.e. you don't even fucking know its happen as you have no awareness of it), iIS THE REAL ANSWER BEFORE you can rationalize and intellectualize and impress peers.

                                                  INCIDENTALLY, i use this example as it's a very interesting example of how unconscious bias works, where people who swear up and down they aren't racist, prejudiced or bigoted and see all people equally or whatever, end up responding EXACTLY in the same way everyone else does... including black people... and it happens in a very measurable way and these results are duplicated constantly in experiment.

                                                  E) People don't agree or disagree with the news because of a "gut feeling". people agree and disagree instantly when it supports an existing belief or narrative held by the individual. weighing the content in its totality has very little to NOTHING do with the response/belief in its validity as thats pre-determined with the content only being used later if necessary to argue for that belief or narrative.
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                                                  • crockett
                                                    in a van by the river
                                                    • May 2003
                                                    • 76818

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                    Two science degrees here from top universities, I used to believe it all, then I learned to follow the money, and look closer, using critical thinking
                                                    So did the unibomber...
                                                    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                    • crockett
                                                      in a van by the river
                                                      • May 2003
                                                      • 76818

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                      Two science degrees here from top universities, I used to believe it all, then I learned to follow the money, and look closer, using critical thinking
                                                      Its funny you can't seem to follow Trump's money nor any of his cronies... It's as if your mind is made up despite any info that everything govt is bad and everything Trump is good.
                                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                        Too old to care
                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                        • 52942

                                                        #28
                                                        That's why I google the information before I post. Unlike you Crocket.



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