You're projecting, you didn't know the 'confessions' at Nuremberg were after extensive torture

Dont be so silly soft lad.

Most didnt confess. They simply said they were following orders.

How is that a confession obtained by torture.

But please please please post your evidence that the majority of those accused at Nuremberg a) confessed, and b) were tortured.

I suppose you will say that all of the documentary and witness evidence did not exist either ?

The 'evidence' is all very weak, of the same standard as "Assad is using chemical weapons on his own people"

Nuking Japan is the worst crime of all, but we are told this was done "to save lives", despite the fact that Japan had already offered to surrender beforehand.

FFS.

You do know who wrote that dont you ?

And you do know what the Institute for Historical Review is ?

No, of course you dont.

So the evidence for your claims is based upon a information on a website founded by self confessed neo-nazi.

And you claim to be a free thinker !!! I think we all know what you really are.:2 cents:

"The Institute for Historical Review (IHR), founded in 1978, is an organization best known for publishing articles and books promoting Holocaust denial, a practice which attracted notoriety to the IHR.

(...)

IHR is widely regarded as antisemitic and as having links to neo-Nazi organizations."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instit...torical_Review

The evidence is weak is it ?

Nothing could be further from the truth. There was mountains of evidence. The Nazis were exceptionally thorough in documenting and quantifying their crimes.

This is a translation of a report from 1943, there are mountains of similar reports which detail the removal and destruction of millions of people.

Excerpts from document NO-1257:

COPY . Secret

Personal Staff of the
Reichsfuehrer-SS
B / Ch 186 Administration
of Central Files
File No. Secret


REPORT 6 February 1943

on the realization of textile-salvage from the Jewish resettlement
up to the present date.

The enclosed statement gives an account of the quantity of old
garments from the Jewish resettlement, that has been sent from the
camps of Auschwitz and Lublin up to the present date. In this
connection special consideration must be given to the fact that the
delivery of rags is very high. As a result, the amount of usable
old garments, especially men's clothing, is naturally diminished.
It has therefore not been possible to satisfy the demand for men's
clothing to its full.

The transportation by rail proved to be especially difficult.
Through the continually recurring transportation stoppages, the
dispatch was held up with the resulting [sic] in temporary
accumulations in the individual camps.

The transportation hold-up to the Ukraine has been especially
noticeable since December 1942, and prevented the delivery of old
clothing intended for the racial Germans there....


sign. POHL
SS-Obergruppenfuehrer and
General of the Waffen-SS

Certified true copy:

(Signature) KERSTEN
SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer

COPY . Secret

Personal Staff of the
Reichsfuehrer-SS
Administration of Central
Files
File No. Secret 181/6


STATEMENT

on the quantities of old textile-materials delivered from the camps
of Lublin and Auschwitz by order of the SS Economic & Administrative
Main Office.

1. Reich Ministry of Economics

Men's old clothing without underwear 97,000 sets
Women's old clothing without underwear 76,000 sets
Women's silk underwear 89,000 sets

total: 34 cars

Rags 400 cars 2,700,000kg
Bed-feathers 130 cars 270,000 kg
women's hair 1 car 3,000 kg
scrap material 5 cars 19,000 kg

2. Office for Germanization

Men's clothing: Children's clothing:
Overcoats 99,000 overcoats 15,000
jackets 57,000 boy's jackets 11,000
vests 27,000 boys' pants 3,000
pants 62,000 shirts 3,000
[...]
shoes 31,000 shoes 22,000

Women's clothing Linen etc
coats 155,000 pieces bed covers 37,000 pieces
dresses 119,000 " bed sheets 46,000 "
[...]
shoes 111,000 pairs total: 211 cars

[...]

grand total: 825 cars

Certified true copy:

KERSTEN

SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer


825 train wagons full of clothes. I suppose these people decided to walk around naked.

HAHA You are arguing with a known doorknob.

Indeed - I am the fool.

However I find his version of holocaust denial particularly abhorrent.

I kind of respect the neo-Nazi who glorifies Hitler and the final solution, and has the courage to say what he really thinks.

I certainly dont agree with them, but there is a type of honestly in declaring what you really think even if it makes you unpopular.

However the slimeballs who want to chip away at the facts, reduce the numbers, blame typhoid, blame the Jews for the Holocaust industry etc etc. These people are vile because they want to excuse what their heros did by diminishing their crimes, or by declaring that the crimes were not even committed and that the Nazis were actually misunderstood and "fine people".

The fuckwad WHP I put in the worst category though, below the scum that want to excuse and deny industrialised murder. He denies the holocaust because he is an internet conspiracy/lizzard man/Icke fruitcake. He calls himself a free thinker but he gets his "research" from neo-nazi websites.

This is the ultimate insult to the memory of the millions killed by the Nazis.

:2 cents:

i wonder why always the loudest fake-news bawlers are the last what do any researching on their information sources.

the real victims of fake news are the ones what doubt everything in the popular media and think they will found wisdom in the garbage can of human being.

there is actually a very funny proof of their intelligence in Germany when the satire party "die partei" was spreading unbelievable fake news over right facebook groups and showed the whole world how this idiots are sharing this bullshit without even using the brain for a second.

Hi Tommy, long time no talk ;)
actually i believe that Hitler was a preschool kid when compared to Stalin or Mao.
1. Mao
2. Stalin
3. Hitler
he's 3rd with death toll 12 mlns where Mao and Stalin fights for 1st place with 20+ to 76 mln (depends on sources).
i believe Hitler is good boy to beat because it's convenient from many reasons (some i don't wanna mention here to not start shitstorm) but no, he was not baddest, not even close.
and yes as a pole from Poland i hope they all rot in hell but number one for me is stalin, he was incredible motherfucker and my grandad hated him and he knows his works from battlefields directly.

Most of the evidence was taken from Nazis keeping records.

Germany invaded Russia after Stalin and Hitler had signed a peace treaty.

There are many records of German atrocities.

Like the millions killed in concentration and labor camps.

Those were old men trying to justify the darkest days of their lives. In which they were personally involved.

I guess they come in all shapes and sizes

hey druid - i agree that he was not the only one in the history who was really bad. he was only one of the dumbest of them and for me as part of the after war generation he is still a hump on my back. and it is true - if one mentions hitler he should not mention him without mentioning others what have been on the same level.

if there is anything unfair in this whole story than it is that germans who were not even born than still have to suffer on that while in other countries the nazi glory is growing up again.

i think we have learned our lessons and we will not be that stupid anymore to step into an obvious trap of idioty, hate, intolerance and racism. this is what the new germany is build on and we made it with our hands, ours heads and our hearts but not with war and hate.

Interesting stories

Fighting against Bolshevism they say? What about genocide of jews ? What about burned to the ground villages with all the people burned ALIVE ? What about concentration camps with gas chambers? All of this old assholes supported Hitler in this.

You will be surprised, but in Hitler's mind Jews were strongly associated with Bolshevism (Commies) and that was a main reason of genocide. He wrote it in "Mein Kampf". He had nothing against Jews before the Communist riots in his homeland Bavaria. It's also an interesting fact, but almost all Communists who have lead the revolution of 1917 in Russia were Jews.

You have missed the point that's being debated here, there is no doubt that concentration camps existed, there is no doubt that Jews were sent to them as they were not trusted. Hitler DID discriminate against Jews. It is the genocide bit which is the fabrication, sure people died, conditions where not good, but the attempted genocide is simply a story to paint a bad picture of the defeated enemy and take away the focus from the crimes of the allies. Why else would they build chimneys on the camps after the war was over? How would something like that make sense unless you were rewriting history?

Why would it become illegal to question the official story in some countries unless the whole thing was a fabrication; the truth doesn't fear investigation. Jailing top historians is not generally a good sign.

i share your opinion. i've done lot's of readings (books, not only internet) and it raises more questions than answers. as a kid i was learned about concentration camps and jewish genocide but now i ask questions cuz nothing in this story glued together :(
and yes people died which is tragedy but i think numbers were 6 times less than i was taught.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Grammar Nazi :thumbsup

Thanks for that druid66! :thumbsup I know an academic who studied this in great detail, but he said the only evidence they could find of the genocide where very poor quality, but they said that academics are mostly too scared to speak out about this, as it puts their careers and reputations at risk, as TPTB start up their hit jobs and the Thought Police get involved, with all kinds of hate and namecalling to scare others away from speaking out.

TPTB say that people who research it are haters or racist, which doesn't make any logical sense at all, history is history, we should all want to understand it as accurately as possible, if we find out that less bad things happened then that should cheer us up, not make us a 'hater' for wanting to find out.

You forget the first-hand account of prisoners who worked in the concentration camps. No one bars investigation.

There are so many things in that which are just not correct.

And strangely the same points all appear on the types of neo-nazi sites which you have admitted that you get your "evidence" from.

However you are obviously the "free thinker" and I am one of the sheep that feeds on whatever I am told to believe.

The nazis documented everything right down to the costings of the transports and the gas canisters. They documented every Mark that was earned from the collection of the possessions of the dead. Yet you base your denial of the Holocaust on the internet rumour that they built the chimneys after the war was over.

Fyi the chimneys at Auschwitz were built in 1941. The architects drawings and other documents are available for inspection.


So whats your excuse for this guy - was he tortured into confessing ?

Former Auschwitz guard convicted in one of Germany's last Holocaust trials

Did they wait seventy years to begin the torture ?

Till today Germany protects the nazi's. There are several cases that Germany wouldn't sent them back to Holland for trial. Recently Nazi Faber who lives freely in Germany. Merkel support nazi's

I was only a child when these monsters were trying to destroy the world but if you left me alone with any of those bastards I would happily choke him to death.

Too bad we didn't drop the bomb on Germany.