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wonton · 04-22-2003, 01:57 PM

Man, arabs all over the middle east are just gonna love this...

Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil

US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy headache at a stroke

Ed Vuillamy in Washington
Sunday April 20, 2003
The Observer

Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad.
The plan envisages the reconstruction of an old pipeline, inactive since the end of the British mandate in Palestine in 1948, when the flow from Iraq's northern oilfields to Palestine was re-directed to Syria.

Now, its resurrection would transform economic power in the region, bringing revenue to the new US-dominated Iraq, cutting out Syria and solving Israel's energy crisis at a stroke.

It would also create an end less and easily accessible source of cheap Iraqi oil for the US guaranteed by reliable allies other than Saudi Arabia - a keystone of US foreign policy for decades and especially since 11 September 2001.

Until 1948, the pipeline ran from the Kurdish-controlled city of Mosul to the Israeli port of Haifa, on its northern Mediterranean coast.

The revival of the pipeline was first discussed openly by the Israeli Minister for National Infrastructures, Joseph Paritzky, according to the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz .

The paper quotes Paritzky as saying that the pipeline would cut Israel's energy bill drastically - probably by more than 25 per cent - since the country is currently largely dependent on expensive imports from Russia.

US intelligence sources confirmed to The Observer that the project has been discussed. One former senior CIA official said: 'It has long been a dream of a powerful section of the people now driving this administration [of President George W. Bush] and the war in Iraq to safeguard Israel's energy supply as well as that of the United States.

'The Haifa pipeline was something that existed, was resurrected as a dream and is now a viable project - albeit with a lot of building to do.'

The editor-in-chief of the Middle East Economic Review , Walid Khadduri, says in the current issue of Jane's Foreign Report that 'there's not a metre of it left, at least in Arab territory'.

To resurrect the pipeline would need the backing of whatever government the US is to put in place in Iraq, and has been discussed - according to Western diplomatic sources - with the US-sponsored Iraqi National Congress and its leader Ahmed Chalabi, the former banker favoured by the Pentagon for a powerful role in the war's aftermath.

Sources at the State Department said that concluding a peace treaty with Israel is to be 'top of the agenda' for a new Iraqi government, and Chalabi is known to have discussed Iraq's recognition of the state of Israel.

The pipeline would also require permission from Jordan. Paritzky's Ministry is believed to have approached officials in Amman on 9 April this year. Sources told Ha'aretz that the talks left Israel 'optimistic'.

James Akins, a former US ambassador to the region and one of America's leading Arabists, said: 'There would be a fee for transit rights through Jordan, just as there would be fees for Israel from those using what would be the Haifa terminal.

'After all, this is a new world order now. This is what things look like particularly if we wipe out Syria. It just goes to show that it is all about oil, for the United States and its ally.'

Akins was ambassador to Saudi Arabia before he was fired after a series of conflicts with then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, father of the vision to pipe oil west from Iraq. In 1975, Kissinger signed what forms the basis for the Haifa project: a Memorandum of Understanding whereby the US would guarantee Israel's oil reserves and energy supply in times of crisis.

Kissinger was also master of the American plan in the mid-Eighties - when Saddam Hussein was a key US ally - to run an oil pipeline from Iraq to Aqaba in Jordan, opposite the Israeli port of Eilat.

The plan was promoted by the now Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and the pipeline was to be built by the Bechtel company, which the Bush administration last week awarded a multi-billion dollar contract for the reconstruction of Iraq.

The memorandum has been quietly renewed every five years, with special legislation attached whereby the US stocks a strategic oil reserve for Israel even if it entailed domestic shortages - at a cost of $3 billion (£1.9bn) in 2002 to US taxpayers.

This bill would be slashed by a new pipeline, which would have the added advantage of giving the US reliable access to Gulf oil other than from Saudi Arabia.

Simon-interaid · 04-22-2003, 02:00 PM

Oh what are you talking?

Invasion of IRAQ was to liberate the people.

All this other stuff is non sence.

The republicans care "only" for the well being of the muslims in IRAQ.

that is why they liberated them.

wonton · 04-22-2003, 02:06 PM

I can just see all those happy, American-flag-waving arabs now, all across Iraq, Syria, Iran and Egypt cheering in brotherly love as millions of barrels of Iraqi oil flow into Israel every day.

My money sez that pipeline will be sabotaged within one week of being activated.

Backov · 04-22-2003, 02:07 PM

Next step in this plan:

Post signs all over Baghdad (written in Hebrew of course) - saying "No Dirty Muslims"

Seriously, I can't think of a more transparent ploy. Especially one that would piss off the Iraqis more (Iraqis are mostly Muslims)..

easyfun · 04-22-2003, 02:09 PM

Only the uneducated see this war as a pipline for oil.
Bush did this to help out former President Clinton who would like to try out an Iraqie blow job.

Wizzo · 04-22-2003, 02:11 PM

Good, we need something for all that effort....

[Labret] · 04-22-2003, 02:17 PM

Wizzo · 04-22-2003, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
we?

The US is married to Isreal, you didn't hear?

hottoddy · 04-22-2003, 02:22 PM

So the fuck what? Everyone just assumes this is theft. I'm sure they would pay good money for the oil, just like everyone else. This pipeline deal had been discussed previously between the two nations.

Rictor · 04-22-2003, 02:22 PM

Sounds like a good plan to me. I want to see 99 cent gas prices again.

wonton · 04-22-2003, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hottoddy
So the fuck what? Everyone just assumes this is theft. I'm sure they would pay good money for the oil, just like everyone else. This pipeline deal had been discussed previously between the two nations.

Well... it would be similar to Russia invading the US and making a deal with China to ship US natrual resources to China. I'm sure China would pay a fair price as well. It's just that the deal might be against the will of the entire US population, save a few in the Russian-controlled puppet government.

In this case, pumping Iraqi oil to Israel would defy the will of about a billion muslims.

So after the next terrorist attack on US soil, you now have a pretty clear-cut answer as to "Why do they hate us?"

And no - they don't hate us because we are "free". That sounds too much like those stupid old shampoo commercials, "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful...."

funkmaster · 04-22-2003, 02:53 PM

<img src="http://grail.cs.washington.edu/projects/realface/surprise.jpg">

... you mean it´s not about liberation ??

Raider Mort · 04-22-2003, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton
Man, arabs all over the middle east are just gonna love this...

Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil

US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy headache at a stroke

Ed Vuillamy in Washington
Sunday April 20, 2003
The Observer

Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad.
The plan envisages the reconstruction of an old pipeline, inactive since the end of the British mandate in Palestine in 1948, when the flow from Iraq's northern oilfields to Palestine was re-directed to Syria.

Now, its resurrection would transform economic power in the region, bringing revenue to the new US-dominated Iraq, cutting out Syria and solving Israel's energy crisis at a stroke.

It would also create an end less and easily accessible source of cheap Iraqi oil for the US guaranteed by reliable allies other than Saudi Arabia - a keystone of US foreign policy for decades and especially since 11 September 2001.

Until 1948, the pipeline ran from the Kurdish-controlled city of Mosul to the Israeli port of Haifa, on its northern Mediterranean coast.

The revival of the pipeline was first discussed openly by the Israeli Minister for National Infrastructures, Joseph Paritzky, according to the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz .

The paper quotes Paritzky as saying that the pipeline would cut Israel's energy bill drastically - probably by more than 25 per cent - since the country is currently largely dependent on expensive imports from Russia.

US intelligence sources confirmed to The Observer that the project has been discussed. One former senior CIA official said: 'It has long been a dream of a powerful section of the people now driving this administration [of President George W. Bush] and the war in Iraq to safeguard Israel's energy supply as well as that of the United States.

'The Haifa pipeline was something that existed, was resurrected as a dream and is now a viable project - albeit with a lot of building to do.'

The editor-in-chief of the Middle East Economic Review , Walid Khadduri, says in the current issue of Jane's Foreign Report that 'there's not a metre of it left, at least in Arab territory'.

To resurrect the pipeline would need the backing of whatever government the US is to put in place in Iraq, and has been discussed - according to Western diplomatic sources - with the US-sponsored Iraqi National Congress and its leader Ahmed Chalabi, the former banker favoured by the Pentagon for a powerful role in the war's aftermath.

Sources at the State Department said that concluding a peace treaty with Israel is to be 'top of the agenda' for a new Iraqi government, and Chalabi is known to have discussed Iraq's recognition of the state of Israel.

The pipeline would also require permission from Jordan. Paritzky's Ministry is believed to have approached officials in Amman on 9 April this year. Sources told Ha'aretz that the talks left Israel 'optimistic'.

James Akins, a former US ambassador to the region and one of America's leading Arabists, said: 'There would be a fee for transit rights through Jordan, just as there would be fees for Israel from those using what would be the Haifa terminal.

'After all, this is a new world order now. This is what things look like particularly if we wipe out Syria. It just goes to show that it is all about oil, for the United States and its ally.'

Akins was ambassador to Saudi Arabia before he was fired after a series of conflicts with then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, father of the vision to pipe oil west from Iraq. In 1975, Kissinger signed what forms the basis for the Haifa project: a Memorandum of Understanding whereby the US would guarantee Israel's oil reserves and energy supply in times of crisis.

Kissinger was also master of the American plan in the mid-Eighties - when Saddam Hussein was a key US ally - to run an oil pipeline from Iraq to Aqaba in Jordan, opposite the Israeli port of Eilat.

The plan was promoted by the now Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and the pipeline was to be built by the Bechtel company, which the Bush administration last week awarded a multi-billion dollar contract for the reconstruction of Iraq.

The memorandum has been quietly renewed every five years, with special legislation attached whereby the US stocks a strategic oil reserve for Israel even if it entailed domestic shortages - at a cost of $3 billion (£1.9bn) in 2002 to US taxpayers.

This bill would be slashed by a new pipeline, which would have the added advantage of giving the US reliable access to Gulf oil other than from Saudi Arabia.

I do not have a problem with any of that.

theking · 04-22-2003, 03:39 PM

Oil has always been a factor, but not the only factor. Oil will become more and more of a factor as world supplies diminish. Nothing new about this.

dav555add · 04-22-2003, 04:01 PM

Strategic move to send strong signal to all Muslims states where the population do not know the meaning of freedom.
A pipeline there, a couple of "freed" Muslims states there; and you've got yourself revolution brewing in another Muslim state. Anyways, when in 10 years, 5 or 6 Muslims state are "free" and not autocracies or dictatorships such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria or Pakistan, the world will be a much safer place.
By the way; why a total news blackout about your brother Arafat not wanting to give in power to a new prime minister????

theking · 04-22-2003, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dav555add
Strategic move to send strong signal to all Muslims states where the population do not know the meaning of freedom.
A pipeline there, a couple of "freed" Muslims states there; and you've got yourself revolution brewing in another Muslim state. Anyways, when in 10 years, 5 or 6 Muslims state are "free" and not autocracies or dictatorships such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria or Pakistan, the world will be a much safer place.
By the way; why a total news blackout about your brother Arafat not wanting to give in power to a new prime minister????

Yes...strategic positioning...was the primary factor. The USA is going to attempt to change the face of that part of the world...over an extended period of time...through diplomacy...or if it becomes necessary, by force.

flashfreak · 04-22-2003, 04:28 PM

all CNN sheeps repeat this:
it's not about the oil. it's not about the oil, it's not about the oil, it's not...

kenny · 04-22-2003, 04:33 PM

As long as Iraq gets money for it. At least it wouldn't be used for the oil for palace program. What the fuck are they suppose to do with all that oil? Let me guess trade/sell it.

I am currently seeking to have a pipeline ran from Iraq to my back yard.

Holy M@n · 04-22-2003, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wizzo

The US is married to Isreal, you didn't hear?

kenny · 04-22-2003, 04:46 PM

This oil is my oil this oil is your oil from the Iraqi desert to my back yard

ChrisH · 04-22-2003, 05:06 PM

I thought we dug up all the oil fields and shipped them to Texas

Jon · 04-22-2003, 05:10 PM

As awesome as it will be for the USA and Israel, shit will hit the fan for sure!

foe · 04-22-2003, 05:15 PM

You guys are a bunch of pussies, we have tried to please muslims for long enough look where it got us

[Labret] · 04-22-2003, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foe
You guys are a bunch of pussies, we have tried to please muslims for long enough look where it got us

So its an issue of religion?

ChrisH · 04-22-2003, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

So its an issue of religion?

Oil, Religion same thing...... no?

FlyingIguana · 04-22-2003, 06:03 PM

newly conquered iraq? now that would make people in the middle east happy....

foe · 04-22-2003, 06:03 PM

Good for them

foe · 04-22-2003, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]

So its an issue of religion?

Ahh the old times,

now back to the topic, Im just saying that we should not try to please everyone becuase in the end they just turn around and shit on us, look Germany, France ..... anyone that we helped they all fucked us when we needed any help .

foe · 04-22-2003, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
newly conquered iraq? now that would make people in the middle east happy....

Read above post

slavdogg · 04-22-2003, 06:30 PM

fuck what Arabs think
God gave everyone in the middle east oil expect the Jews.
THere is even oil in land Israel gave up to Egypt

If most Arabs like how their countries have been mapped, than they better start liking this oil pipeline. After all they were both drawn and built by the Brits

I'm sure Jordan wants this pipeline as much as i and the Israelies do.

foe · 04-22-2003, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slavdogg
fuck what Arabs think
God gave everyone in the middle east oil expect the Jews.
THere is even oil in land Israel gave up to Egypt

If most Arabs like how their countries have been mapped, than they better start liking this oil pipeline. After all they were both drawn and built by the Brits

I'm sure Jordan wants this pipeline as much as i and the Israelies do.

well spoken

unconnected · 04-22-2003, 06:56 PM

Will they follow the OPEC quota, or will they break it in order to compensate for engrossed oil prices..
If they do break the quota, then basically OPEC will collapse, and all of a sudden a unified switch to the Euro for the world currence will no longer be a threat to the US..

Pretty shitty that we can't really do anything about this except for watch the world be taken over one country at a time by an Inbred army of hics..

foe · 04-22-2003, 06:58 PM

What does the switch to euro have to do with OPEC?

directfiesta · 04-22-2003, 10:43 PM

" Politics for Dummies" :

This is what the US wanted:

They got these guys to take care of getting it:

And the US gov. blew this smoke up the US citizens ass ( or brains?) to justify getting what they wanted ( see above if your attention span is short...):

Now, these two guys can wait to deliver the goods to their Welfare state...

Freedom: priceless!!!

Rochard · 04-22-2003, 11:09 PM

Who cares who the fuck Iraq sells the oil to? In case anyone has forgotten, they've been selling it to - surprise - The fucking United States. As long as the money is green it doesn't make a difference.

kenny · 04-22-2003, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Who cares who the fuck Iraq sells the oil to? In case anyone has forgotten, they've been selling it to - surprise - The fucking United States. As long as the money is green it doesn't make a difference.

Don't you know some people hate on the bigger and better

Ace-Ace · 04-22-2003, 11:36 PM

You guys are so dense. You are aware a pipeline from Iraq to Israel would consist of Iraq pumping oil, and selling it to Israel, correct? This will boost the world economy, boost the Iraqi economy, help with the soon-to-be-renewed Oil for Food program, and help out the Iraqi people in general. It's not like we're building a big pipe to Israel to give away free oil.

Now the oil will be sold to dozens of nations it wasn't sold to before, and the proceeds will be used to help the Iraqi people, not the Iraqi military.

Joe Sixpack · 04-22-2003, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
You guys are so dense. You are aware a pipeline from Iraq to Israel would consist of Iraq pumping oil, and selling it to Israel, correct? This will boost the world economy, boost the Iraqi economy, help with the soon-to-be-renewed Oil for Food program, and help out the Iraqi people in general. It's not like we're building a big pipe to Israel to give away free oil.

Now the oil will be sold to dozens of nations it wasn't sold to before, and the proceeds will be used to help the Iraqi people, not the Iraqi military.

ChrisH · 04-22-2003, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foe
What does the switch to euro have to do with OPEC?

The euro is a real threat to the USD.

Why do you think France has been so difficult

Why do you think they are now groveling to get back into Iraq

Why do you think I'm laughing

The euro burned the UK.

kenny · 04-22-2003, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
You guys are so dense. You are aware a pipeline from Iraq to Israel would consist of Iraq pumping oil, and selling it to Israel, correct? This will boost the world economy, boost the Iraqi economy, help with the soon-to-be-renewed Oil for Food program, and help out the Iraqi people in general. It's not like we're building a big pipe to Israel to give away free oil.

Now the oil will be sold to dozens of nations it wasn't sold to before, and the proceeds will be used to help the Iraqi people, not the Iraqi military.

They see:

OIL PIPELINE + U.S. Conquered Iraq = They must be stealing all the oil

kenny · 04-22-2003, 11:50 PM

Seriously though, why can't the US take some oil for free? It isn't like ANYBODY IS GOING TO FUCKING DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT

They should just take X amount of oil and call it liberation fee. And then they should take Y & Z amounts and call it interest. A whole lot of people already think the US is up to no good anyways. Why not give them something to really bitch about

ChrisH · 04-22-2003, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenny

They see:

OIL PIPELINE + U.S. Conquered Iraq = They must be stealing all the oil

What's really funny is that their isn't a US oil company that would deal with Iraqi oil until they figure who the fuck own's it!

Real Idiots Here

But I thought we already dug up the fields and moved them to Texas! We are stealing the OIL? Right?

Ace-Ace · 04-22-2003, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenny
Seriously though, why can't the US take some oil for free? It isn't like ANYBODY IS GOING TO FUCKING DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT

They should just take X amount of oil and call it liberation fee. And then they should take Y & Z amounts and call it interest. A whole lot of people already think nthey are up to know go anyways. Why not give them something to really bitch about

That would look ungodly bad for international relations (not to mention inner-US relations). There would be protests and probably riots all around the world, both Arab and non-Arab. As logicaly as it may sound, it's absolutely not an option.

kenny · 04-22-2003, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
That would look ungodly bad for international relations (not to mention inner-US relations). There would be protests and probably riots all around the world, both Arab and non-Arab. As logicaly as it may sound, it's absolutely not an option.

They should atleast get a 50% discount until the cost of the war is paid up. And the 25% discount for life. France can pay 125% to make up for it.

ChrisH · 04-23-2003, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ace-Ace
That would look ungodly bad for international relations (not to mention inner-US relations). There would be protests and probably riots all around the world, both Arab and non-Arab. As logicaly as it may sound, it's absolutely not an option.

You mean like before and during the war?

kenny · 04-23-2003, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisH

You mean like before and during the war?

Exactly, fuck them! I vote they take free oil and make Iraq another state and charge everybody in Iraq federal tax. Those other countries depend more on the US then vice versa.

Mark · 04-23-2003, 12:40 AM

So let me get this straight..

Instead of a pipeline from Iraq under a genocidal dictator (that would be Saddam for those of you with a short memory), going through Syria under the rule of another mad dictator (Assad) from where it gets sold to various people (france?) and the money goes back to Iraq to ensure Saddam never goes hungry.. (the 'Oil for Saddams Food Program')

Instead of that, a pipline may go from a new 'free iraq' which in theory (eventually) will be run by the nearest thing to a democracy in the arab middle east, through Jordan which is a very pro-western, stable, moderate arab state and then through israel, a pro-western democracy, to the haifa port from where it will be shipped to the world..

Who benefits? Iraq, Jordan, Israel and anyone buying the oil (US, Europe etc)

Who loses? Syria

Who needs to be more careful? Saudi Arabia & Co.

How is this a bad thing?

Ace-Ace · 04-23-2003, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark
So let me get this straight..

Instead of a pipeline from Iraq under a genocidal dictator (that would be Saddam for those of you with a short memory), going through Syria under the rule of another mad dictator (Assad) from where it gets sold to various people (france?) and the money goes back to Iraq to ensure Saddam never goes hungry.. (the 'Oil for Saddams Food Program')

Instead of that, a pipline may go from a new 'free iraq' which in theory (eventually) will be run by the nearest thing to a democracy in the arab middle east, through Jordan which is a very pro-western, stable, moderate arab state and then through israel, a pro-western democracy, to the haifa port from where it will be shipped to the world..

Who benefits? Iraq, Jordan, Israel and anyone buying the oil (US, Europe etc)

Who loses? Syria

Who needs to be more careful? Saudi Arabia & Co.

How is this a bad thing?

It's not a bad thing. Morons here do not know what they're talking about and type the first thing that comes to their head.

ChrisH · 04-23-2003, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark
So let me get this straight..

Instead of a pipeline from Iraq under a genocidal dictator (that would be Saddam for those of you with a short memory), going through Syria under the rule of another mad dictator (Assad) from where it gets sold to various people (france?) and the money goes back to Iraq to ensure Saddam never goes hungry.. (the 'Oil for Saddams Food Program')

Instead of that, a pipline may go from a new 'free iraq' which in theory (eventually) will be run by the nearest thing to a democracy in the arab middle east, through Jordan which is a very pro-western, stable, moderate arab state and then through israel, a pro-western democracy, to the haifa port from where it will be shipped to the world..

Who benefits? Iraq, Jordan, Israel and anyone buying the oil (US, Europe etc)

Who loses? Syria

Who needs to be more careful? Saudi Arabia & Co.

How is this a bad thing?

Stupid facts!

What's the matter with you

Mark · 04-23-2003, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisH

Stupid facts!

What's the matter with you

Sorry! Wont happen again!

04-22-2003, 01:57 PM	#1
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	Israel Seeks Pipeline for Iraqi Oil !!! Man, arabs all over the middle east are just gonna love this... Israel seeks pipeline for Iraqi oil US discusses plan to pump fuel to its regional ally and solve energy headache at a stroke Ed Vuillamy in Washington Sunday April 20, 2003 The Observer Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future government figures in Baghdad. The plan envisages the reconstruction of an old pipeline, inactive since the end of the British mandate in Palestine in 1948, when the flow from Iraq's northern oilfields to Palestine was re-directed to Syria. Now, its resurrection would transform economic power in the region, bringing revenue to the new US-dominated Iraq, cutting out Syria and solving Israel's energy crisis at a stroke. It would also create an end less and easily accessible source of cheap Iraqi oil for the US guaranteed by reliable allies other than Saudi Arabia - a keystone of US foreign policy for decades and especially since 11 September 2001. Until 1948, the pipeline ran from the Kurdish-controlled city of Mosul to the Israeli port of Haifa, on its northern Mediterranean coast. The revival of the pipeline was first discussed openly by the Israeli Minister for National Infrastructures, Joseph Paritzky, according to the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz . The paper quotes Paritzky as saying that the pipeline would cut Israel's energy bill drastically - probably by more than 25 per cent - since the country is currently largely dependent on expensive imports from Russia. US intelligence sources confirmed to The Observer that the project has been discussed. One former senior CIA official said: 'It has long been a dream of a powerful section of the people now driving this administration [of President George W. Bush] and the war in Iraq to safeguard Israel's energy supply as well as that of the United States. 'The Haifa pipeline was something that existed, was resurrected as a dream and is now a viable project - albeit with a lot of building to do.' The editor-in-chief of the Middle East Economic Review , Walid Khadduri, says in the current issue of Jane's Foreign Report that 'there's not a metre of it left, at least in Arab territory'. To resurrect the pipeline would need the backing of whatever government the US is to put in place in Iraq, and has been discussed - according to Western diplomatic sources - with the US-sponsored Iraqi National Congress and its leader Ahmed Chalabi, the former banker favoured by the Pentagon for a powerful role in the war's aftermath. Sources at the State Department said that concluding a peace treaty with Israel is to be 'top of the agenda' for a new Iraqi government, and Chalabi is known to have discussed Iraq's recognition of the state of Israel. The pipeline would also require permission from Jordan. Paritzky's Ministry is believed to have approached officials in Amman on 9 April this year. Sources told Ha'aretz that the talks left Israel 'optimistic'. James Akins, a former US ambassador to the region and one of America's leading Arabists, said: 'There would be a fee for transit rights through Jordan, just as there would be fees for Israel from those using what would be the Haifa terminal. 'After all, this is a new world order now. This is what things look like particularly if we wipe out Syria. It just goes to show that it is all about oil, for the United States and its ally.' Akins was ambassador to Saudi Arabia before he was fired after a series of conflicts with then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, father of the vision to pipe oil west from Iraq. In 1975, Kissinger signed what forms the basis for the Haifa project: a Memorandum of Understanding whereby the US would guarantee Israel's oil reserves and energy supply in times of crisis. Kissinger was also master of the American plan in the mid-Eighties - when Saddam Hussein was a key US ally - to run an oil pipeline from Iraq to Aqaba in Jordan, opposite the Israeli port of Eilat. The plan was promoted by the now Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and the pipeline was to be built by the Bechtel company, which the Bush administration last week awarded a multi-billion dollar contract for the reconstruction of Iraq. The memorandum has been quietly renewed every five years, with special legislation attached whereby the US stocks a strategic oil reserve for Israel even if it entailed domestic shortages - at a cost of $3 billion (£1.9bn) in 2002 to US taxpayers. This bill would be slashed by a new pipeline, which would have the added advantage of giving the US reliable access to Gulf oil other than from Saudi Arabia.

04-22-2003, 02:00 PM	#2
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Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	Good, we need something for all that effort.... __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

04-22-2003, 02:06 PM	#3
wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	I can just see all those happy, American-flag-waving arabs now, all across Iraq, Syria, Iran and Egypt cheering in brotherly love as millions of barrels of Iraqi oil flow into Israel every day. My money sez that pipeline will be sabotaged within one week of being activated.

04-22-2003, 02:17 PM	#7
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	we?

04-22-2003, 02:22 PM	#9
hottoddy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: PacNorWest Posts: 3,048	So the fuck what? Everyone just assumes this is theft. I'm sure they would pay good money for the oil, just like everyone else. This pipeline deal had been discussed previously between the two nations.

04-22-2003, 02:22 PM	#10
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Sounds like a good plan to me. I want to see 99 cent gas prices again.

04-22-2003, 02:53 PM	#12
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	<img src="http://grail.cs.washington.edu/projects/realface/surprise.jpg"> ... you mean it´s not about liberation ??

04-22-2003, 03:39 PM	#14
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	Oil has always been a factor, but not the only factor. Oil will become more and more of a factor as world supplies diminish. Nothing new about this. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

04-22-2003, 04:01 PM	#15
dav555add Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,427	Strategic move to send strong signal to all Muslims states where the population do not know the meaning of freedom. A pipeline there, a couple of "freed" Muslims states there; and you've got yourself revolution brewing in another Muslim state. Anyways, when in 10 years, 5 or 6 Muslims state are "free" and not autocracies or dictatorships such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria or Pakistan, the world will be a much safer place. By the way; why a total news blackout about your brother Arafat not wanting to give in power to a new prime minister???? __________________ ...

04-22-2003, 04:28 PM	#17
flashfreak Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: cloud number 9 Posts: 4,396	all CNN sheeps repeat this: it's not about the oil. it's not about the oil, it's not about the oil, it's not... __________________ SEO Mogul \| ICQ: 163671223

04-22-2003, 04:33 PM	#18
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	As long as Iraq gets money for it. At least it wouldn't be used for the oil for palace program. What the fuck are they suppose to do with all that oil? Let me guess trade/sell it. I am currently seeking to have a pipeline ran from Iraq to my back yard.

04-22-2003, 04:46 PM	#20
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	This oil is my oil this oil is your oil from the Iraqi desert to my back yard Last edited by kenny; 04-22-2003 at 04:50 PM..

04-22-2003, 05:06 PM	#21
ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	I thought we dug up all the oil fields and shipped them to Texas __________________ Add Your Niche Sites Add Your Shemale Sites/Galleries Talk About the NFL

04-22-2003, 05:10 PM	#22
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	As awesome as it will be for the USA and Israel, shit will hit the fan for sure! __________________ WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...

04-22-2003, 05:15 PM	#23
foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	You guys are a bunch of pussies, we have tried to please muslims for long enough look where it got us

04-22-2003, 06:03 PM	#26
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	newly conquered iraq? now that would make people in the middle east happy....

04-22-2003, 06:30 PM	#30
slavdogg Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 3,570	fuck what Arabs think God gave everyone in the middle east oil expect the Jews. THere is even oil in land Israel gave up to Egypt If most Arabs like how their countries have been mapped, than they better start liking this oil pipeline. After all they were both drawn and built by the Brits I'm sure Jordan wants this pipeline as much as i and the Israelies do.

04-22-2003, 06:56 PM	#32
unconnected Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,025	Will they follow the OPEC quota, or will they break it in order to compensate for engrossed oil prices.. If they do break the quota, then basically OPEC will collapse, and all of a sudden a unified switch to the Euro for the world currence will no longer be a threat to the US.. Pretty shitty that we can't really do anything about this except for watch the world be taken over one country at a time by an Inbred army of hics..

04-22-2003, 06:58 PM	#33
foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	What does the switch to euro have to do with OPEC?

04-22-2003, 10:43 PM	#34
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,678	" Politics for Dummies" : This is what the US wanted: They got these guys to take care of getting it: And the US gov. blew this smoke up the US citizens ass ( or brains?) to justify getting what they wanted ( see above if your attention span is short...): Now, these two guys can wait to deliver the goods to their Welfare state... Freedom: priceless!!! __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

04-22-2003, 11:09 PM	#35
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,034	Who cares who the fuck Iraq sells the oil to? In case anyone has forgotten, they've been selling it to - surprise - The fucking United States. As long as the money is green it doesn't make a difference. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

04-22-2003, 11:36 PM	#37
Ace-Ace Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dayton, OH, USA Posts: 1,863	You guys are so dense. You are aware a pipeline from Iraq to Israel would consist of Iraq pumping oil, and selling it to Israel, correct? This will boost the world economy, boost the Iraqi economy, help with the soon-to-be-renewed Oil for Food program, and help out the Iraqi people in general. It's not like we're building a big pipe to Israel to give away free oil. Now the oil will be sold to dozens of nations it wasn't sold to before, and the proceeds will be used to help the Iraqi people, not the Iraqi military. __________________ JamPlay.com - Online, video-based guitar lessons

04-22-2003, 11:50 PM	#41
kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Seriously though, why can't the US take some oil for free? It isn't like ANYBODY IS GOING TO FUCKING DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT They should just take X amount of oil and call it liberation fee. And then they should take Y & Z amounts and call it interest. A whole lot of people already think the US is up to no good anyways. Why not give them something to really bitch about Last edited by kenny; 04-22-2003 at 11:52 PM..

04-23-2003, 12:40 AM	#47
Mark Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 600	So let me get this straight.. Instead of a pipeline from Iraq under a genocidal dictator (that would be Saddam for those of you with a short memory), going through Syria under the rule of another mad dictator (Assad) from where it gets sold to various people (france?) and the money goes back to Iraq to ensure Saddam never goes hungry.. (the 'Oil for Saddams Food Program') Instead of that, a pipline may go from a new 'free iraq' which in theory (eventually) will be run by the nearest thing to a democracy in the arab middle east, through Jordan which is a very pro-western, stable, moderate arab state and then through israel, a pro-western democracy, to the haifa port from where it will be shipped to the world.. Who benefits? Iraq, Jordan, Israel and anyone buying the oil (US, Europe etc) Who loses? Syria Who needs to be more careful? Saudi Arabia & Co. How is this a bad thing?