Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21885601)

Not so, Russians need a strong hand, that is why he has over 80 % support at the polls. It is the idiots on both sides of the line ( the liberals and the conservatives ) who are blind to the reality of the world and still believe in some sort of Soviet hegemony of days past.

Just give the gander what is good for the goose and be done with that. Putin ( who is NOT a saint) may yet save the western world from a self destruction, you should appreciate his effort...:thumbsup
:2 cents:

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21885601)

Not so, Russians need a strong hand, that is why he has over 80 % support at the polls.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21885271)

It doesn't matter if you don't see a crime.. The FBI will see it as a crime, because it was.

I'll try to explain it assuming your being honest..


Russia was attempting to interfere with our democratic election process. They hacked the DNC & the RNC and who knows what else.

Now here comes Don Jr attempting to take info from the Russians for the sole purpose of affecting the outcome of the election. That is conspiring to commit election fraud. Just because they didn't get the info they wanted doesn't mean it's no big deal..

You steal someone's wallet only to find out there was no money still makes you a crook.


Don Jr, Kushner and Manafoprt all attempted to conspire with a foreign actor for the purpose of uncovering a suspected crime which would then have effect on the out come of the election.

They were required to pass this info to the FBI, not attempt to acquire it for personal/campaign gain.. Added to this Kushner went on to lie about this meeting on his security clearance form. This is a very big crime in and of it's self.. People have their security clearances revoked for simple shit as putting the wrong amount of debt on it. Yet here we have Kushner lying about meeting with a foreign agent trying to pass info on a political candidate to affect our election. That is a serious crime..

Also with out a fucking doubt this woman was a foreign agent. She was former Russian lawyer at the Kremlin or what ever her position was but she was claiming to be "brokering" info about criminal activity of a political candidate that was coming directly from the Kremlin and she was trying to get something in return. She was trying to affect official US govt policy.. She probably wasn't KGB or what ever the Russians call it but she was acting on behalf of the Russian govt..

Also I wanted to add.. you can't look at this meeting as a isolated event. It shows a pattern of willingness to collude with foreign agents and now add this on top of all the other issues Trump's campaign has sounding them with Russian involvement.

Before we saw there were players involved who had suspicious Russian contacts and almost all of them lied and tried to cover it up. Now we see them actually meeting and attempting to gain info which they were told was coming directly from the Kremlin. This is extremely damning information..

It's a very BIG SOMETHING Burger.. Fox News and Joushamo can claim all day it's nothing but they don't matter.. the FBI & the Special Counsel matter and this will matter greatly to them..


Also on the Kushner front we learned in the last day or two that he attempted to get a 500 million dollar load from Qatar. They wouldn't give it to him and now he was sitting on the presidents ear telling him to take a hard line against them and side with Saudi Arabia..

This is a major scandal in and of it's self but it was over shadowed by Trump Jr's dumbness..

Jared Kushner 'tried and failed to get a $500m loan from Qatar before pushing Trump to take hard line against country' | The Independent

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-advised-trump

Report: Kushner sought deal for $500M bailout from ex-Qatari prime minister - CBS News

This current admin and the people in it are dirty as fuck and they don't give a rats ass about making America great again. They want to enrich themselves..

Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21885421)

About it saying only media and politicians for manipulation by own electorate.

Official Investigation going but results absolute fail.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21885940)

Umm hello.. How can you say the official investigation is "fail" .. They haven't released their findings yet. This isn't Russia buddy boy.. Our media (aside from Fox news apparently) isn't the mouth piece of our govt.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21885940)

What is in the media matters little to the investigation.. The media is simpl;y doing it's job to keep govt held accountable and release info to the public.. Media in the US job is not to speak the word of Trump.. Unlike RT in Russia who speaks directly what Putin tells them to speak.

Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21886045)

If they had something against Trump he would have been impeached. But now they have 0 result and to pull time and speculate on this.

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 21886147)

No, it does not usually work that fast.

With Nixon, the FBI investigation of Watergate started in early 1972, the impeachment hearings didn't start until May 1974.

With Bill Clinton, Ken Starr was appointed as independent counsel to investigate Whitewater in 1994. Inpeachment proceedings did not start until 1998, so it took 4 years for that whole thing to go through the process.

We are at the beginning of the investigation into Trump, not the end.

Just imho, of course.

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21885871)

All propoganda.

Putin is a crook stealing from his own people there are Russian documentaries about this he's also taken rights away from gays and muted the press that speaks against him by imprisonment and murder because he's a dictator.

Russia needs a new leader, yes!

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21885886)

Suppose you also believed Saddam's approval rating was over 90% and received 100% of the vote.

:1orglaugh


Saddam scores 100% in leadership ballot

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21886393)

...
So who would lead Russia ?? Another Yelcinite....no, Putin is the right guy for them:2 cents:

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21886426)

If Saddam,Ghaddafi, Pahlavi,Musharraf and a few others were about today (and not betrayed by the "clintonites, bushes and now trumpeters") then the World would be at peace today.

So, I do believe that Putin is the last "great white hope"... Because the rest are pissing away the cultural traditions which are almost 2,000 years old.

I also hope that Assad will remain as the only real force fighting ISIS...( with the Kurds close second)... I am also a big fan of Duterte who is chasing ISIS out of Mindanao...

...and to all the leftists and the rightists who believe Russia is our enemy??? gfy

...and if you do not see my position, then weep later.:2 cents:

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21886426)

...and if you do not see my position, then weep later.:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21886435)

Medvedev was not so bad

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21886441)

Jesus Christ you fucking support Saddam, Ghaddafi, Duterte, Assad and Putin what the fuck talk about poor decisions making skills :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21888442)

Of course not because he was to Putin what Ivanka is to Trump..." A good boy":thumbsup

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21888484)

It is now about the survival of the Western world.

Originally Posted by oppoten (Post 21888892)

imho, treason is a state of mind.

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 21885097)

while we're at it, might be a good idea for most here to look up what the word globalist actually means as well.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21888919)

Luckily your opinion doesn't apply in a court of law.

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 21884080)

I definitely DO NOT think it is ok.

BUT IT IS NOT TREASON.

Espionage, perhaps but not Treason.

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21889009)

Ok if you want to get all technical about it...then it's not treason.

and manslaughter is not murder. It's just killing someone.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21889009)

Ok if you want to get all technical about it...then it's not treason.

and manslaughter is not murder. It's just killing someone.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21888937)

Trump is doing the wrong thing and hooked his son & son in law into doing the wrong thing. Those two apples don't fall far from the tree. So much lying, so much deception and for what? To work with Russia, a foreign adversary, to throw the election in their favor.

The Republicans are getting what they wanted and the majority think everything is great. Unfortunate.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21884023)

Ok, so you're one of those Trump supporters too embarrassed to admit it. That's not unheard of.

You know it's so obvious you're defending Donald Trump. I mean, you love him enough to go out of your way to look up the definition of treason and then copy and paste it to confirm that he's innocent and absolved of all crimes he's most likely committed. At least you would think he's guilty if you can add 2+ 2 and slide on a pair of pants without putting both legs in one side. The things even a half retarded monkey could figure out.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21889009)

Ok if you want to get all technical about it...then it's not treason.

and manslaughter is not murder. It's just killing someone.

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21890080)

Just get the fuck off the Russians ...they are NOT your enemies. They will save your ass as they did in the 40ties. They need another "great patriotic war" So, do not provoke them as both sides the libs and the conservatives are doing. Let the Jihhadist do it. Instead treat them as friends and they will protect you....You and me the members of the great but "decaying" civilisation.

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21890080)

Just get the fuck off the Russians ...they are NOT your enemies. They will save your ass as they did in the 40ties. They need another "great patriotic war" So, do not provoke them as both sides the libs and the conservatives are doing. Let the Jihhadist do it. Instead treat them as friends and they will protect you....You and me the members of the great but "decaying" civilisation.

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21890605)

Only a Russian would say such idiotic bullshit. They are our enemies, they interfered in our election and they did not save our ass in the 40's. Go read a different history book.

Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21890176)

We not need new wars))

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21891859)

Of course not, we did not need one in 1914 or in 1939 but keep pissing off the big bear and he will kick back....and the EU, US and Canadian idiots are doing just that, instead on concentrating on the real enemy ...Jihadists.:2 cents:

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21890605)

Only a Russian would say such idiotic bullshit. They are our enemies, they interfered in our election and they did not save our ass in the 40's. Go read a different history book.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21891892)

Putin is the enemy.

Putin wants to break EU & American alliance because Putin is under sanctions for BREAKIBG his agreements over and over again and invading Crimea & bc Ukraine.

Russia needs a new leader that came keep his promises and let Ukraine & Crimea live in peace. Putin had his chance and he fucked everything up because if greed, corruption, and his addiction to toxic power.

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21891910)

Fuck your election, and if they did meddle so what it got them....? That freak who is now a president? Or the woman with hot flashes who hates Putin from the get go? There would have been NO difference in the outcome. America is in decline, yet idiots like you still believe in the might of the USA. Nobody else does.

USA entered the war in 1941, but did not land in Europe until 1944 ( 3 years later), Russia was attacekd also in 1941 but by 1944 they were near Warshaw....about 200 miles from Berlin....I will not argue who caused Nazis to collapse but Russians lost a lot more men then the Allies....histroy does not lie.
And they nuked the Japanese, by now they should have nuked Pyongyang, Racca and probably part of Lybia.

And as to if I am a Russian ? NO I do not like Russians, I am Canadian....but I believe in the old dictum "an enemy of my enemy is my friend...."...and that is why I will support anyone who does not want to make from Syria another Lybia or Iran. So smarty pants go and read a book on that.

...or go and weep:2 cents:

Originally Posted by celandina (Post 21891859)

Of course not, we did not need one in 1914 or in 1939 but keep pissing off the big bear and he will kick back....and the EU, US and Canadian idiots are doing just that, instead of on concentrating on the real enemy ...Jihadists.:2 cents:

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21890605)

Only a Russian would say such idiotic bullshit. They are our enemies, they interfered in our election and they did not save our ass in the 40's. Go read a different history book.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21884317)

Russia hacked "attacked" our election process and Trump's campaign conspired with them while they were attacking our election process, while purposely trying to change the outcome of our election.

This is most certainly treason if there ever has been..


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mildred_Gillars Axis Sally never waged war against the US but was convicted of treason for being part of the Nazi propaganda machine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Toguri_D%27Aquino Tokyo Rose had the same fate but she was eventually pardoned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Henry_Best Was a Nazi supporter, again part of the propaganda machine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_James_Monti defected to the SS worked as propaganda agent...

None of those people picked up arms and fought against the US, they all helped our enemies and ALL were convicted of treason.

Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21891994)

Dearest Uninformed.

You're right, history does not lie. Now go learn some history and read about the US Lend-Lease and how America was supplying The Soviets with military and financial help that started in 1941. Without that you Russians would be speaking German right now.