Trump island is sinking they want a wall and a govt bailout - GoFuckYourself.com

crockett · 07-09-2017, 05:00 PM

So there is a island off the east coast that is sinking because of rising ocean levels and wave erosion. 80% of this island voted for Trump a guy who denies global warming.

Mayor of disappearing island: "We just need the help to come now" - CBS News

Now these snowflakes want Trump to bail them out by building a wall around their island which they claim will cost $20 million and they can't afford it.

So there is 500 people on this island and they are too cheap to build their own wall but instead want a govt hand out because they feel entitled to live on a island that is washing away..

What happened to bootstraps and fending for yourself? 500 people can't cover a 20 million dollar wall? That's a bunch of bull shit, it would break down to $40k each..

You gonna tell me these people can't man up and bootstrap their way to getting $40k each, via loans or hard work?

Most college grads are in debt 2 times that or more by the time they get out of school.. Why do these Trump supporters feel so entitled to free hand outs because they choose to live on a island and expect govt hand outs to maintain their lifestyle?

baddog · 07-09-2017, 05:05 PM

In the meantime

New island appears off coast of North Carolina in Outer Banks | WTVR.com

Bladewire · 07-09-2017, 05:06 PM

Trump pledged to help, which means he won't and he'll blame someone else.

Bladewire · 07-09-2017, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

In the meantime

New island appears off coast of North Carolina in Outer Banks | WTVR.com

A temporary sand island from the strong currents below.

Your counter to global warming is a new sandbar. Wow. You must be high bro.

pimpmaster9000 · 07-09-2017, 05:08 PM

If there's 500 of them total that could be like 100-150 families so it could be in the 100k+ per family

crockett · 07-09-2017, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

If there's 500 of them total that could be like 100-150 families so it could be in the 100k+ per family

If you had to take on 100k debt so your family had a place to live would you not do it?

Basically the way it should play out.. Is this. They should do a study to see if the island is saveable. I don't mean build a wall, that keeps it above water for 30 years..

If they can build a wall and have reasonable assurance that the island will still be there in 200 years then I say give them a $5million dollar emergency grant that doesn't have to be paid back and then the rest of the money should be given as a 30 year "loan" to the town.

The town then has 30 years to repay the note at X amount per month. That is more than fair and they can then decide how they will deal with collecting the money from the people on their island.

The problem I have with this, is Trump supporters specifically but also the right wing in general are always the loudest when it comes to hand outs going to someone else, but they are always the 1st in line expecting handouts when they need it. They should pull up their bootstraps just like they tell everyone else to do...

JFK · 07-09-2017, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

If there's 500 of them total that could be like 100-150 families so it could be in the 100k+ per family

Chump Change, I'll tell ya

Barry-xlovecam · 07-09-2017, 07:02 PM

Sounds like they are bailing water with a leaky bucket

Bladewire · 07-09-2017, 07:26 PM

If those crazy Dutch can do 8t, Trump can too with a tiny little island, right?

crockett · 07-10-2017, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Sounds like they are bailing water with a leaky bucket

It really depends what the island ground is made from. If it's coral then the water will just seep up from the ground even with a wall. If it's rock they can probably save it.

Rochard · 07-10-2017, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

In the meantime

New island appears off coast of North Carolina in Outer Banks | WTVR.com

Seems to be less of an island and more like a large sand bar... Which, according to the article, can "disappear at any time".

Barry-xlovecam · 07-10-2017, 10:01 AM

Climate Change Could Cut Southern U.S. Incomes by 20% | Fortune.com

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Researchers from institutions including the University of Chicago and Rutgers, using large data sets culled from more than 100 climate studies, concluded that Gulf Coast states such as Florida and Louisiana will be exposed to the most severe sea level rise and storm surges. Those conditions could result in permanent 20% declines in incomes in some areas.

Without action on climate, other southern states will see extreme heat that the researchers say will increase violent crime, air conditioning costs, and overall mortality. Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia will also be among the states most severely impacted.

The south, though, would not be alone in enduring adverse effects.

"Here in the Midwest," University of Chicago coauthor Amir Jina said in a news release, "we may see agricultural losses similar to the Dustbowl of the 1930s."

Better hope they are wrong ...

EonBlue · 07-10-2017, 12:42 PM

This island has always been doomed to sink under the sea and no amount of wind turbines, solar panels or climate change alarmism can stop it.

Sea level around the island has been rising steadily with no acceleration in the rate of rise.

And most of the sea level rise is actually due to subsidence of the entire Chesapeake Bay area. The island actually is sinking.

The wave action eroding the shoreline is common to every shoreline and has nothing to do whatsoever with climate change.

Building a seawall is just going to be an expensive exercise in delaying the inevitable. The island is doomed.

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Bladewire · 07-10-2017, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

Sea level around the island has been rising steadily with no acceleration in the rate of rise.

"Sea level around the island has been rising steadily with no acceleration in the rate of rise."

Then you post a graph of rising sea levels irratically inreasing at a high acceleration.

"The island actually is sinking."

Then you contradiction your previous statement that the sea levels are rising.

You are so fucking stupid, no offense.

EonBlue · 07-10-2017, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

"Sea level around the island has been rising steadily with no acceleration in the rate of rise."

Then you post a graph of rising sea levels irratically inreasing at a high acceleration.

"The island actually is sinking."

Then you contradiction your previous statement that the sea levels are rising.

You are so fucking stupid, no offense.

No, you're a fucking retard that doesn't know how to read a simple graph or understand plain English.

Irratically? Seriously?

You're a fucking idiot and dumber than a stump. Now piss off.

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Bladewire · 07-10-2017, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

No, you're a fucking retard that doesn't know how to read a simple graph or understand plain English.

Irratically? Seriously?

You're a fucking idiot and dumber than a stump. Now piss off.

You're so stupid

"The sea levels are rising but the island is actually disappearing because it's sinking, not because of rising sea levels"

You're so fucking stupid

/No offense

crockett · 07-10-2017, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

This island has always been doomed to sink under the sea and no amount of wind turbines, solar panels or climate change alarmism can stop it.

Sea level around the island has been rising steadily with no acceleration in the rate of rise.

And most of the sea level rise is actually due to subsidence of the entire Chesapeake Bay area. The island actually is sinking.

The wave action eroding the shoreline is common to every shoreline and has nothing to do whatsoever with climate change.

Building a seawall is just going to be an expensive exercise in delaying the inevitable. The island is doomed.

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You are missing the obvious.. erosion of the shoreline will get worse as the sea level rises. In this case they are one and of the same a cause & effect.. Be it the sea level rising or the island is sinking, either way the erosion gets worse.

Bladewire · 07-10-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You are missing the obvious.. erosion of the shoreline will get worse as the sea level rises. In this case they are one and of the same a cause & effect.. Be it the sea level rising or the island is sinking, either way the erosion gets worse.

For the next 60 years we're going to see proof of rising sea levels with outlying islands around the world going underwater, and idiots like Eonblue will spew propoganda saying it's not happening. And for what? Stupid stupid stupid

EonBlue · 07-10-2017, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You are missing the obvious.. erosion of the shoreline will get worse as the sea level rises. In this case they are one and of the same a cause & effect.. Be it the sea level rising or the island is sinking, either way the erosion gets worse.

For sure the erosion will get worse. That's why trying to save the island for a few hundred people is a waste of time and money. They should all just start relocating now.

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Bladewire · 07-10-2017, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue

For sure the erosion will get worse. That's why trying to save the island for a few hundred people is a waste of time and money. They should all just start relocating now.

Erosion will get worse because sea levels are rising you imbecile.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-10-2017, 01:54 PM

Walling off a sinking island is not cost-efficient.

Conclusion

The case studies reviewed in this report clearly show that environmental regulations that mandate emission reduction at the source generally cost much less than expected.
It is not clear to what extent businesses overstate their expected costs for strategic reasons, or to what extent they fail to anticipate process and product technology changes when making early estimates.
It is clear, however, that input substitution, innovation, and the flexibility of capital have allowed actual costs to be consistently much lower than early predictions.
The pattern that emerges from this literature review does not suggest that environmental regulations offer a “free lunch.” In most cases (though not all), the regulations still resulted in some notice able expense.
In addition, certain case studies suggest that cleaning up already-polluted areas, such as Superfund sites and oil spills, can turn out to be more expensive than expected.
Still, the pattern of overestimating the cost of complying with specific regulations is striking.
These studies show that environmental regulations are not as restrictive or burdensome as businesses often claim, and they suggest that analyses of regulations, such as cost-benefit analyses, should be conducted with care.
In particular, any analysis of environmental policy decisions should be conducted with the understanding that ex-ante estimates are often several orders of magnitude too high.

For a long time after Columbus sailed the flat-earthers offered possible explanations. Columbus was right, he just didn't know there was a continent in his way to Asia. Magellan proved them wrong empirically. However, no one died because of their belief in a flat earth. The same remains to be seen of climate change.

07-09-2017, 05:00 PM	#1
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	Trump island is sinking they want a wall and a govt bailout So there is a island off the east coast that is sinking because of rising ocean levels and wave erosion. 80% of this island voted for Trump a guy who denies global warming. Mayor of disappearing island: "We just need the help to come now" - CBS News Now these snowflakes want Trump to bail them out by building a wall around their island which they claim will cost $20 million and they can't afford it. So there is 500 people on this island and they are too cheap to build their own wall but instead want a govt hand out because they feel entitled to live on a island that is washing away.. What happened to bootstraps and fending for yourself? 500 people can't cover a 20 million dollar wall? That's a bunch of bull shit, it would break down to $40k each.. You gonna tell me these people can't man up and bootstrap their way to getting $40k each, via loans or hard work? Most college grads are in debt 2 times that or more by the time they get out of school.. Why do these Trump supporters feel so entitled to free hand outs because they choose to live on a island and expect govt hand outs to maintain their lifestyle?

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Sounds like they are bailing water with a leaky bucket

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Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	If those crazy Dutch can do 8t, Trump can too with a tiny little island, right?

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EonBlue Apocalypse Industry Role: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Limbo Posts: 3,043	This island has always been doomed to sink under the sea and no amount of wind turbines, solar panels or climate change alarmism can stop it. Sea level around the island has been rising steadily with no acceleration in the rate of rise. And most of the sea level rise is actually due to subsidence of the entire Chesapeake Bay area. The island actually is sinking. The wave action eroding the shoreline is common to every shoreline and has nothing to do whatsoever with climate change. Building a seawall is just going to be an expensive exercise in delaying the inevitable. The island is doomed. .

07-10-2017, 01:54 PM	#21
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Walling off a sinking island is not cost-efficient. Conclusion The case studies reviewed in this report clearly show that environmental regulations that mandate emission reduction at the source generally cost much less than expected. It is not clear to what extent businesses overstate their expected costs for strategic reasons, or to what extent they fail to anticipate process and product technology changes when making early estimates. It is clear, however, that input substitution, innovation, and the flexibility of capital have allowed actual costs to be consistently much lower than early predictions. The pattern that emerges from this literature review does not suggest that environmental regulations offer a “free lunch.” In most cases (though not all), the regulations still resulted in some notice able expense. In addition, certain case studies suggest that cleaning up already-polluted areas, such as Superfund sites and oil spills, can turn out to be more expensive than expected. Still, the pattern of overestimating the cost of complying with specific regulations is striking. These studies show that environmental regulations are not as restrictive or burdensome as businesses often claim, and they suggest that analyses of regulations, such as cost-benefit analyses, should be conducted with care. In particular, any analysis of environmental policy decisions should be conducted with the understanding that ex-ante estimates are often several orders of magnitude too high. For a long time after Columbus sailed the flat-earthers offered possible explanations. Columbus was right, he just didn't know there was a continent in his way to Asia. Magellan proved them wrong empirically. However, no one died because of their belief in a flat earth. The same remains to be seen of climate change.