US Official: Saddam was on CIA payroll and was put in power by CIA!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

wonton · 04-21-2003, 11:57 AM

Infinite hypocracy:

Reuters: CIA Aided Baathists

Brujah · 04-21-2003, 11:59 AM

We've known this for decades. This isn't news. Well, I guess it's news to everyone who didn't already know the history pre-Gulf war.

Brujah · 04-21-2003, 12:00 PM

Don't forget to add though...
Britian created Iraq.

UnseenWorld · 04-21-2003, 12:00 PM

Selectively reading again? This headline from the article seems a lot less positive than your subject line: "U.S. ROLE ALLEGED IN SADDAM'S RISE" (go to the dictionary and look up "alleged").

Once again, you LEAP to believe anything negative about the US, even if it is just alleged.

wonton · 04-21-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld
Selectively reading again? This headline from the article seems a lot less positive than your subject line: "U.S. ROLE ALLEGED IN SADDAM'S RISE" (go to the dictionary and look up "alleged").

Once again, you LEAP to believe anything negative about the US, even if it is just alleged.

Hardly. Here is a direct quote from the article:

"At the time, Saddam was a Baath operative studying law in Cairo, one of the places where the CIA chose to plan the coup, Morris says. In fact, he claims the former Iraqi ruler castigated by U.S. President George W. Bush as one of history's most "brutal dictators," was actually on the CIA payroll in those days

U.S. ROLE ALLEGED IN SADDAM'S RISE

Five years later, in 1968, Morris says the CIA encouraged a palace revolt among Baath Party elements led by long-time Saddam mentor Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, who would turn over the reins of power to his ambitious protege in 1979.

"It's a regime that was unquestionably midwived by the United States, and the (CIA's) involvement there was really primary," Morris said.

His version of history is a far cry from current American rhetoric about Iraq -- a country that top U.S. officials say has been liberated from decades of tyranny and given the chance for a bright democratic future without making mention of America's own alleged role in giving birth to the regime.

Fletch XXX · 04-21-2003, 12:04 PM

i am on the CIA payroll too.

hottoddy · 04-21-2003, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by wonton
Infinite hypocracy...

Not at all - even if everything alleged is 100% true. At the time, Iraq was our potential biggest ally in the area. We used to be best buds with Stalin too. Shit changes fast.

SCJason · 04-21-2003, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
i am on the CIA payroll too.

He is I saw it on CNN...................

Rochard · 04-21-2003, 12:07 PM

Did you ever date a girl that was great at first, then turned to a stalker / bitch two years later? Yes, we supported him. But people change......

[Labret] · 04-21-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by RocHard
Did you ever date a girl that was great at first, then turned to a stalker / bitch two years later? Yes, we supported him. But people change......

Like he was a nice guy back then?

Didnt he spend a good deal of time in Egypt for assassinating a few people?

We knew he was a psycho when we installed him.

TheFLY · 04-21-2003, 12:12 PM

It's a dirty hi-stakes game... but somebody has to do it.

dantheman · 04-21-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
i am on the CIA payroll too.

shh......your next assignment awaits you

Rich · 04-21-2003, 12:15 PM

Do not forget, your Vice President's oil company is also who put him back in business after the Gulf war. lol, I think it's safe to say that deal went sour. It's only a matter of time until they bring the argument to GFY, I figure.

wonton · 04-21-2003, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Like he was a nice guy back then?

Didnt he spend a good deal of time in Egypt for assassinating a few people?

We knew he was a psycho when we installed him.

No kidding. But Americans refuse to see the obvious. From Ho Chi Min to Noriega to Saddam....time and time again the CIA installs dictators covertly only so we can bomb the hell out of them a few years later overtly.

The American War Machine *specifically sets up and creates* its own enemies. Meanwhile, the massess are manipulated into believing all the "patirotic" war propaganda like so many drunken monkies.

George Orwell predicted it all in his classic, 1984, how former allies suddenly and very conveniently become enemies of the state...

galleryseek · 04-21-2003, 12:20 PM

The USA is the ultimate power. No one can stop us. We will destroy everything and it will be just. Eat your cereal, bitch.

Fletch XXX · 04-21-2003, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

George Orwell predicted it all in his classic, 1984, how former allies suddenly and very conveniently become enemies of the state...

'THE UNITED STATES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH IRAQ....'

wonton · 04-21-2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

'THE UNITED STATES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH IRAQ....'

Where do you get your facts, from the back of a Crackerjack box?!?

foreverjason · 04-21-2003, 12:23 PM

old news..

wonton · 04-21-2003, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by galleryseek
The USA is the ultimate power. No one can stop us. We will destroy everything and it will be just. Eat your cereal, bitch.

Indeed. But like a snake eating its own tail, America will turn on America. It is already happening. The Bush-Asskroft Police State is only a few years away. Then it's bye bye free speech, bye bye internet porn....

Fletch XXX · 04-21-2003, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

Where do you get your facts, from the back of a Crackerjack box?!?

did you read 1984 or watch the movie?

They go to war for extended periods of time and everytime a new enemy is encountered they tell the people.

for example.

'THE UNITED STATES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH SYRIA.'

just because you dont get the reference, dont try to point out MY IGNORANCE mistakingly as your own.

like Dennis Miller, not my fault you dont get my references.

;)

wonton · 04-21-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by foreverjason
old news..

Old news yes - but also BARELY REPORTED NEWS.

CNN and Fox News have been beating the war drums 24/7 for the past ten months; thousands of hours of constant "Saddam is evil" propaganda. I have yet to see even a single 5-second spot on either of these stations that detail even half of the information in this Reuters article.

Where are the Special Reports of how the CIA bankrolled Saddam and the Baathist rise to power? Where are the report of how George Bush Sr., while director of the CIA, armed Saddam to the teeth. Where are the flashy Fox Graphics and Bill O'Rielly rhetoric about how Cheney's oil company did business with Saddam after the Gulf War?!?!?

UnseenWorld · 04-21-2003, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

Hardly. Here is a direct quote from the article:

"At the time, Saddam was a Baath operative studying law in Cairo, one of the places where the CIA chose to plan the coup, Morris says. In fact, he claims the former Iraqi ruler castigated by U.S. President George W. Bush as one of history's most "brutal dictators," was actually on the CIA payroll in those days

U.S. ROLE ALLEGED IN SADDAM'S RISE

Five years later, in 1968, Morris says the CIA encouraged a palace revolt among Baath Party elements led by long-time Saddam mentor Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, who would turn over the reins of power to his ambitious protege in 1979.

"It's a regime that was unquestionably midwived by the United States, and the (CIA's) involvement there was really primary," Morris said.

His version of history is a far cry from current American rhetoric about Iraq -- a country that top U.S. officials say has been liberated from decades of tyranny and given the chance for a bright democratic future without making mention of America's own alleged role in giving birth to the regime.

I realize that, but you are still jumping to the conclusion that if it's in print, it must be true.

wonton · 04-21-2003, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

did you read 1984 or watch the movie?

They go to war for extended periods of time and everytime a new enemy is encountered they tell the people.

for example.

'THE UNITED STATES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH SYRIA.'

just because you dont get the reference, dont try to point out MY IGNORANCE mistakingly as your own.

like Dennis Miller, not my fault you dont get my references.

;)

Okay. My bad. Good to see that you have memorized your Orwell. It's been a long time since I read the novel.

wonton · 04-21-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

I realize that, but you are still jumping to the conclusion that if it's in print, it must be true.

No. It's the exact opposite. Americans by the millions jump to the conclusion that because it's on TV (CNN, Fox) then it must be true. Print is the only media left where the truth can be found.

The question then becomes - which books? Where does the truth lie?

The answer: seek out those books that are being actively banned by the State. That is where truth lies.

"The Secret Team" by L. Fletcher Prouty has the distinction of being one of the handful of books that has been deleted from the Library of Congress. It is a candid history of the CIA, its methods and true operational philosophy, written by a man who was there. Hmmmm. I wonder why the US government would actively ban this book? I thought we were living in a free democracy. Anyway, that is just an example of one book that tells it like it is.

Btw, Fletcher Prouty spent 9 of his 23 year military career in the Pentagon (1955-1964): 2 years with the Secretary of Defense, 2 years with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and 5 years with Headquarters, U.S. Air Force. In 1955 he was appointed the first "Focal Point" officer between the CIA and the Air Force for Clandestine Operations per National Security Council Directive 5412. He was Briefing Officer for the Secretary of Defense (1960-1961), and for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Prouty was technical advisor to Oliver Stone on JFK. The character that Donald Sutherland plays in that film is based on Prouty.

Prouty's banned books and articles can be found at:

WWW.PROUTY.ORG

Fletch XXX · 04-21-2003, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by wonton

Okay. My bad. Good to see that you have memorized your Orwell. It's been a long time since I read the novel.

yeah, truly a masterpiece.

Ive been thinking this since Afghanistan.

'THE UNITED STATES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH AFGHANISTAN.....then 'THE UNITED STATES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH IRAQ..... then 'THE UNITED STATES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH SYRIA.'

i can see them scrolling across CNN now.

wonton · 04-21-2003, 12:53 PM

Hee. Hee. Now the Pentagon is going to rewrite all the textbooks for Iraqi schoolchildren.

Even I have to hand it to the powers that be. America might not be the kindest or gentlest empire that ever was - but it is the most intelligent and well organized:

ABC News: Cultural Regime Change

eroswebmaster · 04-21-2003, 01:02 PM

So what if he was on the payroll..then that just proves we have the right to go in there and "terminate" his ass for cause.

Snake Doctor · 04-21-2003, 01:22 PM

Different time, different era, different rules.
Back when the CIA was allegedly "installing dictators" around the globe, we were in the middle of a cold war, and we were trying to stop the spread of communism.
The philosophy back then was "He might be a son of a bitch, but he's OUR son of a bitch"

If we didn't support those governments, the Soviets would have, and then they would have had the basing rights, and the oil rights, etc etc etc.
It was the lesser of 2 evils so to speak.
We were allies with them because we wanted to defeat the soviets and communism. The same way we were allies with Stalin when we were trying to get rid of Hitler. It was a marriage of convenience and necessity, don't go making it into more than it was.

theking · 04-21-2003, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by wonton
Infinite hypocracy:

Reuters: CIA Aided Baathists

The allegations of a single person does not mean he speaks the truth and in addition he needs a hook to sell his books. I have seen more than one documentary on the rise of the Baath party and the rise of Saddam to power that indicate Morris does not speak the truth.

kenny · 04-21-2003, 01:53 PM

Everyone knows the USA is the super beast under alien control. Those sneaky aliens are up to it again!

PornoDoggy · 04-21-2003, 01:58 PM

Yawn.

directfiesta · 04-21-2003, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by galleryseek
The USA is the ultimate power. No one can stop us. We will destroy everything and it will be just. Eat your cereal, bitch.

boring....

kenny · 04-21-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

boring....

yes but at the same time true

kenny · 04-21-2003, 02:11 PM

directfiesta · 04-21-2003, 02:24 PM

One thing comes to mind:

Don't trust the US...

FlyingIguana · 04-21-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by wonton
Infinite hypocracy:

Reuters: CIA Aided Baathists

not hypocracy. they're simply cleaning up their own mess.

nap · 04-21-2003, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by wonton
Hee. Hee. Now the Pentagon is going to rewrite all the textbooks for Iraqi schoolchildren.

Even I have to hand it to the powers that be. America might not be the kindest or gentlest empire that ever was - but it is the most intelligent and well organized:

ABC News: Cultural Regime Change

dont forget the most treacherous too!

kenny · 04-21-2003, 02:34 PM

What ya gonna do when they come liberate you

wonton · 04-21-2003, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by Lenny2
Different time, different era, different rules.
Back when the CIA was allegedly "installing dictators" around the globe, we were in the middle of a cold war, and we were trying to stop the spread of communism.
The philosophy back then was "He might be a son of a bitch, but he's OUR son of a bitch"

If we didn't support those governments, the Soviets would have, and then they would have had the basing rights, and the oil rights, etc etc etc.
It was the lesser of 2 evils so to speak.
We were allies with them because we wanted to defeat the soviets and communism. The same way we were allies with Stalin when we were trying to get rid of Hitler. It was a marriage of convenience and necessity, don't go making it into more than it was.

That's a tired old line that I used to believe but have come to see the fallacy of it. Why didn't we fight communisim with "democracy"? I thought that was what the ideological fight against communism was all about - to preserve and promote democracy? Instead of supporting and/or nurturing democracies in the middle east and elswhere to "fight communism" - we did the exact opposite. The CIA overthrew the fledgling democracy in Iran and installed the Shah, one of the most brutal dictators of all. We did the same all over South America - overthrow democracies and installed dictators. In Iraq, instead of supporting democratic forces, we bankrolled the Baathists and Saddam.

None of this - the cold war or the current war on terror has anything to do with promoting "Democracy". Instead, it has everything to do with promoting America's #1 export business - WAR!!!

That's what it is about. That is what it has always been about.

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wonton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 802	Hee. Hee. Now the Pentagon is going to rewrite all the textbooks for Iraqi schoolchildren. Even I have to hand it to the powers that be. America might not be the kindest or gentlest empire that ever was - but it is the most intelligent and well organized: ABC News: Cultural Regime Change

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