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  • SixNein
    Registered User
    • Jun 2017
    • 13
    #1

    The future of the adult business?

    I used the work in the adult business many years ago; however, I left it in order to pursue my passion in software engineering. It's interesting to peak my head in the door as so many from my era is out of the business today.

    How would you rate the 5 most profitable concepts today?
    What do you think will be the 5 most profitable concepts in the future?
    Tags: adult, business, concepts, future, profitable
    • incredibleworkethic
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2009
      • 2302
      #2
      Live webcams has done well for me. Stopped selling pay sites a year ago started from scratch and quite happy about it.

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        • SixNein
          Registered User
          • Jun 2017
          • 13
          #3
          Originally posted by incredibleworkethic
          Live webcams has done well for me. Stopped selling pay sites a year ago started from scratch and quite happy about it.
          Interesting...

          I noticed that ARS is no longer functioning. I would imagine competition in that domain today is so high that margins are low.

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            • Bladewire
              StraightBro
              • Aug 2003
              • 56228
              #4
              You want us to give you a rated list of 5 profitable concepts and tell you the next 5 that will be big to a non industry contributor "peaking his head in"? To what end?


              Skype: CallTomNow

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                • SixNein
                  Registered User
                  • Jun 2017
                  • 13
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Bladewire
                  You want us to give you a rated list of 5 profitable concepts and tell you the next 5 that will be big to a non industry contributor "peaking his head in"? To what end?
                  I thought it would be an interesting conversation?

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                    • MatureKing
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                      • Mar 2006
                      • 4872
                      #6
                      Adult business depends from many things.. Traffic, software, niche nad that's not all
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                        • bns666
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                          • Mar 2005
                          • 11554
                          #7
                          porn existed long time before internet and it will only grow up, not die.
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                            • wankawonk
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                              • Aug 2015
                              • 1018
                              #8
                              The future of adult is that webmasters are going to keep fighting tooth and nail for the tiny bit of google traffic that mindgeek doesn't own, and they're going to sell all of that traffic to mindgeek

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                                • tomash999
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Sep 2015
                                  • 88
                                  #9
                                  Live VR, smart TV, wifi toys.

                                  Regular tubes are going down because of ad blocks, unless they offer premium membership and something that you can't download like live interaction.

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                                    • thommy
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jun 2003
                                      • 5469
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by wankawonk
                                      The future of adult is that webmasters are going to keep fighting tooth and nail for the tiny bit of google traffic that mindgeek doesn't own, and they're going to sell all of that traffic to mindgeek
                                      who said that?

                                      i personally know a TONN of webmasters with 6-7 digit yearly income what are not part of mindgeek.

                                      it is just a question of logic thinking. if you can think logic you will always make good money with porn.

                                      your guys problem is that one is copying the other. everyone is doing the same. but if you run behind the flock you eat the shit and not the gras.

                                      someone asked me that question about the future of the adult industry 15 years ago - and my answer was: SEX SELL - BUT WHAT ?

                                      exactly that was what i started to focus on since that time and i can not say that this was a wrong desicion. i am 20 years in that biz and saw a lot of high and low times around me but my talent is to see them before they come (what is VERY easy btw) and that is possibly the reason why I am still here and still in best condition.
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                                        • Bladewire
                                          StraightBro
                                          • Aug 2003
                                          • 56228
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by thommy
                                          exactly that was what i started to focus on since that time and i can not say that this was a wrong desicion. i am 20 years in that biz and saw a lot of high and low times around me but my talent is to see them before they come (what is VERY easy btw) and that is possibly the reason why I am still here and still in best condition.
                                          ^^^ This

                                          The followers have been hurting in adult for a while now, ripped off by the fly by night scammers over and over and over again.

                                          Creators with vision and a pulse on the online culture are still doing well because they adapt and have forsight


                                          Skype: CallTomNow

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                                            • Tim
                                              AffiliateManager for Hire
                                              • Feb 2002
                                              • 19210
                                              #12
                                              Were you an affiliate program owner by any chance?
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                                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                                  It's 42
                                                  • Jun 2010
                                                  • 18083
                                                  #13
                                                  I would try and think of ways to profit from "user made" porn and sexually oriented content. Newly arriving amateurs in the "sex world" come armed with 13 megapixel cameras in their smartphones and HD webcams that are capable of producing reasonable quality content.

                                                  I don't think anyone is going to become a 'bigbox' seller of porn like in the old business model. All of these indie producers of product will need technical services and help developing platforms.

                                                  Software expertise is something they don't have. "A VPI is an interface to exploit a value proposition." < that's something I just read today -- there's an idea that could be interesting.

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                                                    • bushwacker
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jun 2002
                                                      • 2817
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Tim
                                                      Were you an affiliate program owner by any chance?
                                                      I think he was back in the early 2000's. Maybe I'm wrong?

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                                                        • SixNein
                                                          Registered User
                                                          • Jun 2017
                                                          • 13
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by bushwacker
                                                          I think he was back in the early 2000's. Maybe I'm wrong?
                                                          Late 90s early 2000s

                                                          I think 'Ace' was my EITF username from the ARS days.

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                                                            • 8pt-buck
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Aug 2013
                                                              • 4011
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by SixNein
                                                              I used the work in the adult business many years ago; however, I left it in order to pursue my passion in software engineering. It's interesting to peak my head in the door as so many from my era is out of the business today.

                                                              How would you rate the 5 most profitable concepts today?
                                                              What do you think will be the 5 most profitable concepts in the future?
                                                              Sean Shapcott ?

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                                                                • AaronM
                                                                  GFY Royality ;)
                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                  • 46923
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by 8pt-buck
                                                                  Sean Shapcott ?

                                                                  Sean still posts here with his regular user name.

                                                                  Based on the German portion of this new username, I doubt it's Seth (SixNine) either.

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                                                                    • xXXtesy10
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                                                                      • Jul 2012
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                                                                      #18
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                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                          • 52942
                                                                          #19
                                                                          The future for porn is great. More and more people will be consuming it. The problem is less and less will pay to consume it.

                                                                          Joining a paysite to jerk off once a day is pointless, there are far better free options. Because no matter how well it's produced another company will do something similar and put 10-minute clips on Pornhub.

                                                                          Live-cams is all that's left, Dating is mainstream, Seeing where the traffic and best girls are going it's clear the Chaturbate model wins. Studio girls sitting in a crap cubicle, staring at a screen 2 feet away from the camera or down at a keyboard is yesterday's model and will be killed off by girls who interact with customers far better. The best girls are independent of those studio based models as there are two many shaving off from their earnings.

                                                                          There could be a future for some of these girls to have their own sites with their own recorded scenes as Barry suggests. The thing is they don't need Barry unless he can get his costs down. The best girls will soon learn how to promote themselves on social media. Far better for a girl to earn 100% of a punter's money than 33%.



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                                                                            • Tim
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                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                              • 19210
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by SixNein
                                                                              Late 90s early 2000s

                                                                              I think 'Ace' was my EITF username from the ARS days.
                                                                              Ah OK. I was confusing you with another SixNine
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                                                                                • MatureKing
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Mar 2006
                                                                                  • 4872
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                  who said that?

                                                                                  i personally know a TONN of webmasters with 6-7 digit yearly income what are not part of mindgeek.

                                                                                  it is just a question of logic thinking. if you can think logic you will always make good money with porn.

                                                                                  your guys problem is that one is copying the other. everyone is doing the same. but if you run behind the flock you eat the shit and not the gras.

                                                                                  someone asked me that question about the future of the adult industry 15 years ago - and my answer was: SEX SELL - BUT WHAT ?

                                                                                  exactly that was what i started to focus on since that time and i can not say that this was a wrong desicion. i am 20 years in that biz and saw a lot of high and low times around me but my talent is to see them before they come (what is VERY easy btw) and that is possibly the reason why I am still here and still in best condition.
                                                                                  It's too hard at this time, cause not counting all sign ups. No sign up's in this year on good good selling affiliates program
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                                                                                    • pimpmaster9000
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                                                                                      • Dec 2011
                                                                                      • 26732
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                      The best girls will soon learn how to promote themselves on social media. Far better for a girl to earn 100% of a punter's money than 33%.
                                                                                      yes yes they will, somehow, acquire work ethic, technological skills and motivation

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                                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                          who said that?

                                                                                          i personally know a TONN of webmasters with 6-7 digit yearly income what are not part of mindgeek.

                                                                                          it is just a question of logic thinking. if you can think logic you will always make good money with porn.

                                                                                          your guys problem is that one is copying the other. everyone is doing the same. but if you run behind the flock you eat the shit and not the gras.

                                                                                          someone asked me that question about the future of the adult industry 15 years ago - and my answer was: SEX SELL - BUT WHAT ?

                                                                                          exactly that was what i started to focus on since that time and i can not say that this was a wrong desicion. i am 20 years in that biz and saw a lot of high and low times around me but my talent is to see them before they come (what is VERY easy btw) and that is possibly the reason why I am still here and still in best condition.
                                                                                          How many is a TONN?

                                                                                          Sex sells, so why give it away? To get traffic which instead of earning $15-30+ for 100 clicks now earns 15 cents for 100 clicks. The numbers are to illustrate the downturn of the industry. The extra traffic that hid the declining ratios no longer exists.

                                                                                          Youtube can give away millions of videos and sell ad space to people selling everything from cars to diapers. The problem for online porn is giving away porn to get traffic to sell ad space to people who sell porn. It may be that a few sites can win with this model, but looking at the number and type of advertisers it's obvious it's very few.

                                                                                          Now free cam girls are getting traffic from pay for studio girls.

                                                                                          Dating is mainstream, with mainstream companies now being hit by Tinder, because it's better and cheaper.



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                                                                                            • Holy Damage
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                                                                                              • Oct 2013
                                                                                              • 996
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              what to do? sell pills? toys? popups? exoclick banners? cj tubes?

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                                                                                                • Paul Markham
                                                                                                  Too old to care
                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                  • 52942
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                  ^^^ This

                                                                                                  The followers have been hurting in adult for a while now, ripped off by the fly by night scammers over and over and over again.

                                                                                                  Creators with vision and a pulse on the online culture are still doing well because they adapt and have forsight
                                                                                                  Where do you see evidence of creators in the porn industry?



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                                                                                                    • MatureKing
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                                                                                                      • Mar 2006
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      make something new, what google will love? how you think?
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                                                                                                        • yuu.design
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                                                                                                          #27
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                                                                                                            • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                              • Jun 2009
                                                                                                              • 19787
                                                                                                              #28
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                                                                                                                • MatureKing
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                                                                                                                  • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                  • 4872
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Let me tell you something. The future is here, but your money in motion
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                                                                                                                    • Konda
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                                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                      • 2280
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham

                                                                                                                      Joining a paysite to jerk off once a day is pointless, there are far better free options. Because no matter how well it's produced another company will do something similar and put 10-minute clips on Pornhub.
                                                                                                                      Tell that Blacked/Tushy/Vixen. They are banking like it's 1999 while putting out 10 min videos on all the big tubes at the same time.
                                                                                                                      If you produce high quality content and make a quality site that updates regularly there are still plenty of people that will pay for porn.

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                                                                                                                        • celandina
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                          • 11721
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          content is king...always was and always will...make shit with 6 K rez, 13 megapixels or with VR and get shit in return...

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                                                                                                                            • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                              • 19787
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              The future is....plastics son. Plastics!
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                                                                                                                                • Bladewire
                                                                                                                                  StraightBro
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 56228
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Konda
                                                                                                                                  Tell that Blacked/Tushy/Vixen. They are banking like it's 1999 while putting out 10 min videos on all the big tubes at the same time.
                                                                                                                                  If you produce high quality content and make a quality site that updates regularly there are still plenty of people that will pay for porn.
                                                                                                                                  Paul thinks tube sites have tons of new content everyday poor fella


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                                                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                      Too old to care
                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 52942
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Konda
                                                                                                                                      Tell that Blacked/Tushy/Vixen. They are banking like it's 1999 while putting out 10 min videos on all the big tubes at the same time.
                                                                                                                                      If you produce high quality content and make a quality site that updates regularly there are still plenty of people that will pay for porn.
                                                                                                                                      They must have been doing crap in 1999.

                                                                                                                                      How about putting your high-quality content site in your signature. You might get some people to promote it.

                                                                                                                                      I do agree that content is king, been saying that for 17 years. The problem is few know how to produce it and even fewer have the money to produce it. Too many think it's about the camera or fancy add-ons, like using VR and allowing the viewer to change the background.



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                                                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by celandina
                                                                                                                                          content is king...always was and always will...make shit with 6 K rez, 13 megapixels or with VR and get shit in return...
                                                                                                                                          Something this industry will never get. They still believe shit in on the latest camera = Cream out.



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                                                                                                                                            • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 52942
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                              Paul thinks tube sites have tons of new content everyday poor fella
                                                                                                                                              They update more than a paid site, which is all that matters.



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                                                                                                                                                • lock
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 5065
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Both mainstream and porn focus now on traffic trades and sales. Any opportunity to find a spender with credit card or sell the click via adwords etc mainstream porn plugrush etc. Traffic is sent to tubes or to more of same model, full movie or HD upsells, Dating Cams, virtual reality or just for moving trading traffic for search engine popularity.
                                                                                                                                                  What has gone pic posts dialers AVS and TGPs. There are plenty of niche ideas to pursue and it is really only the niches that will lure and make you money. Sex in gas masks or what ever it is that sells for you. The more variety the more soaked into the sea of the web it becomes. Content still needs to still be a matter supply and demand and found most relevant way or just shoved down throats to make a sale.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Barry-xlovecam
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                                                                                                                                                        • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 5469
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                          How many is a TONN?
                                                                                                                                                          let´s say it this way - less as in 1999 but each one of them with much more income as that kind of people who thought they are successful because they are good.
                                                                                                                                                          in the 90s til around 2007/2008 a donkey was able to make money in internet.

                                                                                                                                                          this time is passed but the money is still coming in - just to other hands.

                                                                                                                                                          Sex sells, so why give it away? To get traffic which instead of earning $15-30+ for 100 clicks now earns 15 cents for 100 clicks. The numbers are to illustrate the downturn of the industry. The extra traffic that hid the declining ratios no longer exists.
                                                                                                                                                          where do you think "titanic" make the most of it´s revenue?
                                                                                                                                                          in the cinemas and pay tv chanels or in the thousands of repeats in the free TV?

                                                                                                                                                          Youtube can give away millions of videos and sell ad space to people selling everything from cars to diapers. The problem for online porn is giving away porn to get traffic to sell ad space to people who sell porn. It may be that a few sites can win with this model, but looking at the number and type of advertisers it's obvious it's very few.
                                                                                                                                                          THAT´s the big error - you can´t sell food on people when you give them food for free.
                                                                                                                                                          but you can sell them drinks and much more.

                                                                                                                                                          Now free cam girls are getting traffic from pay for studio girls.

                                                                                                                                                          Dating is mainstream, with mainstream companies now being hit by Tinder, because it's better and cheaper.
                                                                                                                                                          you are still thinking just in a much to small spectrum.
                                                                                                                                                          porn-users are consumers same like someone on a weather forcast site or a news site is a consumer with ALL need of a consumer.

                                                                                                                                                          we are getting closer and closer to that every day. more and more products (or even clones of products under other brand) are promoted on porn sites.

                                                                                                                                                          with cheese you are catching mice and with porn you are catching humans (primary man). but it is a big mistake to think that the product you sell is the same as the product you give for free.
                                                                                                                                                          to succeed with that you need to focus on the whole consumer an all his needs and not just this small portion of his interests.

                                                                                                                                                          there is a new generation in the internet what is not focused on generating traffic or designing web pages. these new generation is completely focused on sale optimizing.
                                                                                                                                                          and that´s good - because we need professions for traffic generation and professionals for traffic monetizing.

                                                                                                                                                          the "traffic generator/marketing specialist-hybrid" is not existing anymore and he can´t compete with focused "traffic generators" OR "marketing specialists".
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                                                                                                                                                            • PornDude
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                                                                                                                                                                • JFK
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                                                  There is no money in porn. :D
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                      Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                                      let´s say it this way - less as in 1999 but each one of them with much more income as that kind of people who thought they are successful because they are good.
                                                                                                                                                                      in the 90s til around 2007/2008 a donkey was able to make money in internet.

                                                                                                                                                                      this time is passed but the money is still coming in - just to other hands.
                                                                                                                                                                      And I will bet all your big earners are buying traffic from you. To sell what?



                                                                                                                                                                      where do you think "titanic" make the most of it´s revenue?
                                                                                                                                                                      in the cinemas and pay tv chanels or in the thousands of repeats in the free TV?
                                                                                                                                                                      What has mainstream cinema got to do with porn?



                                                                                                                                                                      THAT´s the big error - you can´t sell food on people when you give them food for free.
                                                                                                                                                                      but you can sell them drinks and much more.
                                                                                                                                                                      True. But you can't sell porn to people getting free porn. Seems you agree with me.



                                                                                                                                                                      you are still thinking just in a much to small spectrum.
                                                                                                                                                                      porn-users are consumers same like someone on a weather forcast site or a news site is a consumer with ALL need of a consumer.

                                                                                                                                                                      we are getting closer and closer to that every day. more and more products (or even clones of products under other brand) are promoted on porn sites.

                                                                                                                                                                      with cheese you are catching mice and with porn you are catching humans (primary man). but it is a big mistake to think that the product you sell is the same as the product you give for free.
                                                                                                                                                                      to succeed with that you need to focus on the whole consumer an all his needs and not just this small portion of his interests.

                                                                                                                                                                      there is a new generation in the internet what is not focused on generating traffic or designing web pages. these new generation is completely focused on sale optimizing.
                                                                                                                                                                      and that´s good - because we need professions for traffic generation and professionals for traffic monetizing.

                                                                                                                                                                      the "traffic generator/marketing specialist-hybrid" is not existing anymore and he can´t compete with focused "traffic generators" OR "marketing specialists".
                                                                                                                                                                      today you have to decide WHO and WHAT you are and be 100% perfect in ONLY that.
                                                                                                                                                                      Again agreeing with me. You can't sell porn to people who can jerk off to free porn. Whether you can sell ad space to non-porn companies is another business, not the adult business. Whether it will be as profitable as selling porn is another debate. 1-100 selling a $30 membership certainly made more money that 1-10,000 clicks selling another product.

                                                                                                                                                                      Once mainstream advertisers on porn sites, the adult business is screwed. Unless people can afford to produce content just to give it away for free to get views. Which is what some Youtubers can do.

                                                                                                                                                                      This is about the adult business, so unless you can show your ad space sales generate a better income than porn did. We will stick to our stats.



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                                                                                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by JFK
                                                                                                                                                                          Of Course Not, now move along, nothing to see here !!
                                                                                                                                                                          There will always be money in porn. Just not as much as there used to be.



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                                                                                                                                                                            • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham

                                                                                                                                                                              This is about the adult business, so unless you can show your ad space sales generate a better income than porn did. We will stick to our stats.
                                                                                                                                                                              paul, WHY should i prove myself with showing you my stats ?
                                                                                                                                                                              i do not want you or anybody else is copying me.

                                                                                                                                                                              i give a flying fuck if you believe me or not - the people who have to know it know it and that is fine for me.

                                                                                                                                                                              i just wanted to say that it is in everybody´s own hands to make money or not make money. and next to the numbers of loosers there are still a lot of winners in that biz - but they do not follow the usual logic. and the do not try to make the biz as they did 15 years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                              i am 20 years in that biz and you really do not have to tell me the difference between yesterday and today. i made my thing yesterday and still do it today and i will do it also tomorrow as long as i have 2 eyes and a working brain.

                                                                                                                                                                              and btw. 30% of my last year income came from mainstream. my goal for this year are 35-40% - and yes i made 100% of that with porn users.
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                                                                                                                                                                                • MatureKing
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Tim
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                                                                                                                      Based on the German portion of this new username, I doubt it's Seth (SixNine) either.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Me neither in that case. That's who I thought it might be initially. Hope your'e well Aaron
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • 2MuchMark
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SixNein

                                                                                                                                                                                          How would you rate the 5 most profitable concepts today?
                                                                                                                                                                                          What do you think will be the 5 most profitable concepts in the future?
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2010
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              1% of webmasters control 99% of the earnings

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 52942
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                                                                  paul, WHY should i prove myself with showing you my stats ?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  i do not want you or anybody else is copying me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  i give a flying fuck if you believe me or not - the people who have to know it know it and that is fine for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  i just wanted to say that it is in everybody´s own hands to make money or not make money. and next to the numbers of loosers there are still a lot of winners in that biz - but they do not follow the usual logic. and the do not try to make the biz as they did 15 years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  i am 20 years in that biz and you really do not have to tell me the difference between yesterday and today. i made my thing yesterday and still do it today and i will do it also tomorrow as long as i have 2 eyes and a working brain.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  and btw. 30% of my last year income came from mainstream. my goal for this year are 35-40% - and yes i made 100% of that with porn users.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Because without proof we are left with our impressions of what we see. Which make your claims look like Bullshit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So yes you do need to prove your points. Or look like a bullshitter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  https://www.trafficfabrik.com/ isn't that impressive.



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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Because without proof we are left with our impressions of what we see. Which make your claims look like Bullshit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      So yes you do need to prove your points. Or look like a bullshitter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      https://www.trafficfabrik.com/ isn't that impressive.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      i don´t care what you think
                                                                                                                                                                                                      i just know what i know and there is no reason to force anyone to believe.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      there are enough people here who know me good enough to know that i am not
                                                                                                                                                                                                      bullshitting around.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      but sure - for people like you it is always easier to make circumstances or others
                                                                                                                                                                                                      guilty for the own badluck. hope you still can buy enough tissues to dry your tears ;-)
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