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I dont know if I recall Christ ever calling himself 'The Lamb Of God' you as well as I know, these types of things are made by the people surrounding the events of these historical times. Maybe he did or it was wirrtten in the psalms of course there was reference to him as such, but this book has been circulated SINCE HIS DEATh...

From this passage, it looks as if John The Baptist started this one.

heres a good read titled <a href=http://www.yfiles.com/crucified.html>What Day Of The Week Was Christ Crucified</a>

with tons of background history on Passover and the actual Jewish traditions.

tons of debate about that. but heres a good stab at it, placing it not on Friday but on Wednesday.

you have to be honest and think, any parisioners or followers he would have gathered, would have wanted nothing more than it to be 'true' so they labeled him the lamb of god as their Passover lamb, that doesnt make it so.

no worries, its all good dawg.

drink up. post more.

:glugglug

:)

1 Corinthians 5

Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.

looking for:

'Hi i am jesus your lamb of god.'

much like Jim Morrison's 'I am the lizard king.'

i dont remember an announcement of christ proclaiming to be anything but a man.

its the people who followed him that labeled him as such.

according to this.

jesus ATE the passover lamb the day before.

'The night before, which was actually the same day, Jesus had eaten the Passover with His disciples. The blood of the Passover lamb had been shed and its flesh had been roasted over the fire in preparation for the Passover meal. It was that day that Jesus became the Passover Lamb of God who willingly gave Himself to take away the sins of the world.'

http://www.bible-ebooks.com/christ/page13.htm

its lines like this that make me stop reading.

how can you begin a paragraph with a sentence like this?

hahaha
only the christians try to pull shit like this.

:1orglaugh

Who cares what the significance, it's a commecial holiday that makes money for my folks who own a Florist, and gets us ham at the grocery store for a buck fiddy a pound.
Gimme some candy!

I ate fucking tender, and tasty lamb today. It was from New-Zealand, excellent meat.. I'd recommend it to anyone. :thumbsup
Then I poured it down with the blood of Jesus. 1990 Beaujoulais.

The main problem Fletch is I wasn't there...so I don't know.

I see the Bible as something being written by man, edited by man, and translated by man based upon stories that were shared among men and not even necessarily coming from the original source.

So with that in mind...he could have said he was Liberace's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather for all I know.

I'm sure there should be a bunch more greats in there but didn't want to type it out. ;)

i here ya, i was just trying to gather if he as you said 'called himself the lamb of god' ive read the bible more than most of you here, and ive never heard him refer to himself as that.

of course the entire bible is full of symbols and various hard to decipher parables and tales, but that doesnt take from or change what i was seeking.

the only reason easter is celebrated is because man made it a holiday, no other reason, that was the point of it all.

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ALL holidays are "man made." It's not as if the gods themselves came down and established any single holiday.

They were all designed to celebrate some point in either our history, or the changes of the season etc.

So that whole point is moot.

Have some of them become commercialized? Hell yeah...but to each his own.

I question not how you celebrate this particular Sunday, nor do you question mine or should you question others...it's all about self and how it applies to self.

Me I'm spending it with my family, the nieces will hunt eggs, we'll go out to dinner and maybe go to a movie.

It's not like I've slaughtered a lamb or anything ;)

I'm not religious at all and the only reason I celebrate easter is for the kids. Of course they have no clue why anyone celebrates easter except for the fact the "Easter Bunny" brings them stuff, they get a ham dinner and get to color eggs.

If they would let me, I'd forget about easter all together. Just another day for me, working as usual. Guess all the talk about Easter in school would make them feel weird should they get nothing and not celebrate it.

youre changing what I meant.

I meant your lord never told you to bow and fast on easter, or even like the mexicans nail yourself to a cross.

THIS is what im talking about, im not saying national holidays arent man made. of course they are.

lets go back to my original post.

i was looking for someone to show me where your lord told you to celebrate easter.

no one can.

you drifting off into this symbolism and personal meaning of easter to people has nothing to do with it man.

i was simply trying to point out easter itself is a complete fictitious day of christian celebration, you dont debate that, you debate the personal meaning of easter and christian symbolism.

i've never once brought up personal faith vs symbolism and the nonsense that comes with trying to translate books.

hell i have 23 parts of the bible you most likely havent read.

The Apocrypha.

but all this has nothing to do with the original statement.

Show me where it says to celebrate easter, again, you cant.

You said:

'christ called himself the lamb of god.'

i disputed that with fact, (showing John The Baptist call jesus the lamb of god,) but nowhere can you show me where christ called himself this, AS YOU CLAIM bro.

and you go off about symbolism. im trying to stay focused here.

;)

i did not mean 'man made' as in men picked out a date and said 'roll with it' of course.

i meant, no one said to keep this day holy, but low and behold it sure is and it sure has become a blind mechanism to lie to your children, keep your own faith alive as dead as it may have become, and stay apart of this normal society that says 'hey its that time of year, lets paint eggs and eat candy.'

i denounced christ and sugar a looong time ago.

My point is WHAT GOD has ever told ANY OF US to keep a certain day holy?

It's been men claiming that God or their gods told them this shit...it's all man made including pagan rituals.

Your point is still moot.

And as far as the Apocrypha goes...dude I learned about that shit back when I was a freshmen in High School..so don't go fronting.

there isnt a religious or faith-based comment that isnt.

I'm an Atheist

I think your christmas trees, easter egg hunts, passover, etc etc is all bullshit. But none of it seems to cause any harm, so why fuck with people if the want to have thier fun?

Live and let live.

this is one of those rhetorical threads isn't it? :glugglug :rasta :drinkup :smokin

Once again, you cannot really discuss the life of Jesus without going into symbolism...that's all the guy did was speak in metaphor.

No he did not come out and say..."I am the lamb of God," in so many words.

Do you not know what the last supper was?

We'll use a number of different books for the same story:

Beginning with Mark

There is symbolism whether you like it or not...he says this is my blood of the covenant.
Covenant:
: a usually formal, solemn, and binding agreement : COMPACT
2 a : a written agreement or promise usually under seal between two or more parties especially for the performance of some action b : the common-law action to recover damages for breach of such a contract

Matthew:

John:

So do you not see the pattern here?

His blood that will be shed becomes the NEW COVENANT between man and God regarding the sacrificing of a lamb.



Now let's look at a few more scriptures.

1 peter 1: 19-20
Isiah 53: 7
There are references not just in the New Testament that refer to him as the lamb of God but in the Old as well.

Jesus summed it by this:

Matthew 5: 17
There is nothing but symbolism and metaphor in the bible my young friend.

Draw from it what you will.

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this conversation started hours ago and now i am drunk.

but i will continue to try.

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ROFL man...enjoy...sorry I was out with the family and came back to it ;)

I believe he talked to god as his father all through his life, and he said to "eat and drink in rememberance of me".

Still, Easter is not something that's written in the bible, he didn't say anything about it, and I have yet to find a christian to convince me of anything contrary to my years of research. I've read the bible more than most Christians I know too, and just as quickly as they spout passages at me, I can generally refute them. The problem with trying to "prove" something from the bible is the fact that ANY passage can be taken out of context and interpreted how one sees fit, tailor made to any circumstance. The book, taken in it's entirety is an amazing historical novel. There are many truths about life and whatnot.. hell there's even some science.. But I'll stick with that I find is right for me, even knowing the bible and a lot of religions inside and out. Beltane commeth :P

Exactly.

And yes the bible can be interpreted in so many ways...that is why I spoke of symbolism and metaphor.

Now regarding whether or not Easter is mentioned in the bible...I don't think that it really matters.

It's not like any other historical and/or mythical figure has commanded that we create days to honor them...we just do.

So what? What's the big deal..let someone have their day of remembrance and others just go about their business.

Yeah.. I find it amusing though how everybody turns into such good little "Christians'" on the holidays, and always chuckle to myself knowing they're actually celebrating a pagan holiday revering a pagan god or belief :) I just find that somehow ironic.

metaphor or not he never compared himself to a lamb or ever said anything remotely to be confused with, 'i am the passover lamb' or anything, its people LIKE YOU who believe in him so much to continue blind conversations like this and keep this 'lamb of god' thing going.

I even showed you passages of John The Baptist calling him the lamb of god, and you still cannot show me any line where he said he was willingly giving his life for man and awaited this resurrection.

in fact, i specifically remembber the words he cried as he hung.

'Oh Father, why me?'

im not here to rap about s7ymbolism, you said the lord said' and called himself the lamb of god.'

i dont know why you feel the need to keep going on and on and on about it now...

you said he 'called himself the lamb of god' not me.

if you want to debate that, fine.

but before you drift too far, it has NOTHING to do with showing me where, in the bible, it says to worship or celebrate the RESURRECTION of christ.

i promise i know more about it rhan you.

Ive gone as far as taken theology classes mixed with art history about the study of Leonardo DaVinci and his religious paintings, involved with my Art Major, and others who have painted the Last Supper.

I promise you I am more than prepared to argue points about the Last Supper.

and can even go into detail about what was worn and why.

more pagan shit you have no clue about.

ive read countless books on the last supper.

read some books on leonardo DaVinci, his role in The Templar Society and the true keepers of Christs Identity. I could amaze you with facts, but im too drunk to care and have hours of essays and lectures under my belt regarding these very subjects, instead of yapping about 'symbolism and personal faith' i look at the facts involved around the scriptures.

you need to catch up with Last Supper info, a good book to start is....

'The Templar Revelation' by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince, that goes into great detail about the Last Supper and the Holy grail. Reemember the Holy Grail?

I have BOOKS on the Holy grail and about Jesus and his schooling in Egypt, and his life as a pagan...

if you really wanna get deep, explain the Mary Magdalene 'ANNOINTING' annointing is a pagan ritual to preserve the dead.

your savior was prepared by a witch, Mary Magdalene was a witch,a PAGAN, who ANNOINTED chriast to BRING HIM BACK FROM THE DEAD... but i dont want to go to deep for you.

seriously, there is no way I have not read something relevant to this conversation.

ive read more books on the Last Supper than there are replies in this thread, and its funny to even see you ask me if I know about it.

nothing about 'the celebration of the resurrection of christ.'

remember that?

more theolgian jibber jabber.

i memorized the beatitudes in 1st grade, theres nothing you can quote from the bible I have not had to hand write.

I used to be punished by nuns to handwrite the bible.

you ever served saturday detention hand writing the bible?

detention was where i gained all my ammo.

these things you have to look up, I have always known.

yeah i see a pattern.

circles, you keep running them.

nowhere did your god ever call himself the lamb of god yet you still sit here defending it as if he did.

i asked for proof again you show none, but hours later quote some scriptures which bear no relevance to the celebratation of the resurrection of christ, but use it to justify it?

it makes no sense.

What do these parables have to do with anything?

save the symbolism for Jung.

im talking simple facts here.

dance all you want it doesnt make your case.






:glugglug :winkwink:

Oh man do me a favor and quit attempting to impress me...it's not working.

I'm not even sitting here attempting to defend MY VIEW on this matter...but how some of those who do celebrate easter MIGHT view it.

You want to personalize this and pretend as if you know me or my belief systems...and make it about how I believe.

Show me any proof of any god coming down from the heavens and telling their followers to celebrate any ol' thing.

Guess what? You can't.

Why sure, it may be written in a book somewhere "God said to throw a party every January 15th to celebrate the birth of his propet Chaka Khan." But it doesn't make it true.

What does it matter to you that Christians choose to take a day and celebrate however they wish to?

Why are you so concerned?

Why are you so angered by it?

Why are you so threatened by it?

People do it for all sorts of political, historical figures.

We have President's Day...1 day to honor all our presidents...they were not all born on that same day now were they?

They didn't request that we do this now did they?

God didn't command that we honor our presidents on that day now did he?

There are many other days like that.

It's not that big of a deal.

You can attempt to show Christians all day long how easter and Christmas all coincide with pagan holidays...but that doesn't mean that's what they are celebrating...that doesn't mean a damn thing...because whether you like it or not..beliefs are a PERSONAL thing.

And for the record...you asked "Why do you celebrate Easter?" as the topic of this thread.

My original post was to explain what some people's reasons might be for celebrating easter.

well.

at least i inspired thought within someone today.

bro, i care not to argue anymore.

i cant bring myself to make a move, call it a concede.

i respect you and your views, buit i cant go anymore.

i have to forfeit for the night.

/drunk.

i canty argue anymore.

trust me i want to fight.

but you actually seem to know what faith is about.

there is NOTHING wrong with faith and i wish more christians actuaklly had it.

thought is the only process i intended to trigger topnight.

enjoy your family, i miss mine.

im 2000 miles from my family tonight.

enjoy it while you can.

:glugglug

I believe my advice was the best... live and let live

It's all cool man...

I'm more of the belief that maybe Christ didn't even die on the cross....that he got married had kids etc.

http://www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish1.html

Been wanting to pick this book up.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...800665-9877534

that's good to know :glugglug

think about that when you pick out your sons christmas presents.

:Graucho

will do, btw i'm married but no kids...........yet
(still practicing:Graucho )

kids will naturally be evil.

its up to you to stir them away from the flame.

most dads cannot.

see you at the end of the tunnell.

i'd be interested to know ( when you have kids )
what, if any believes/values you'd teach them ?

So what? Are Christians limited to what The Bible tells them they CAN do? Isn't it bad enough it tells them so many things they can't?

Well, I'm not Fletch, but I am pagan, and I have a nine year old...here's what I have taught her.

Do what thou wilt, 'an it harm none. You might know this idea as "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Hurting people is wrong. Killing people is wrong. Why? Not because Big Daddy in the sky said so, but because it is wrong to impose your will on others. I do not have the right to use force, fear, or greater might to change your path.

Lying is wrong, because without all the information you need to have, you can't make an informed decision about the choices you make.

Sex is NOT wrong, as long as all parties involved are fully informed (and that means being old enough, age-of-consent-wise) and fully understand the risks and the benefits involved in sexual activity, of whatever kind you choose. That rules out rape, incest, kids, animals, etc...but if my kid grows up and decides that she wants to be lesbian/bi/wear a wetsuit and a viking helmet while she does it with midget clowns -- I will happily support her decision.

She's growing up in a poly household, BTW -- and she knows my lovers, loves them like they were family -- and she has a harder time understanding monogamy as it is practiced in our culture than she does with poly. She thinks that adults behaving the way they do over sex -- lying to their partners, cheating, hurting and killing each other over relationships -- is the stupidest thing ever. During one talk about this, she looked at me and said, "Geez, Mama, I learned to share when I was a little kid. What's their problem?"

My other favorite comment of hers was when I started to try to explain Christianity...I started out with the basics. "Well, babe, they believe in only one god."

"Really? Which one?"

As far as I can tell, she's growing up a well-adjusted, smart, very cool little person...I see the way her Christian-raised friends regularly behave, and it saddens me. Besides, she wants to be Goth...there is no bad here. :)

TRUTH you heathen, truth.

id explain to my children that life is a cycle, and that at one time man fiered when th sun went away for winter, it may never come back.

and i will say, that because man believed so much in the earth and himself, that he rejoiced, and he gave praise to the Sun and The Moon, do this only because you want to, and you want to prosper with you crops and your family, and your beleifs.

ive obviously thought muich more about what i would tell my kids, than you have. I will try to give him/her an honest explanation of why man does what he does.

just because you choose to lie to your children, doesnt mean i will lie to mine.

nor will i feed them the ignorance you hide in a pacifier.

and you know this because......??

fair enough :glugglug

please stop smoking whatever you're smoking or learn to read
"i do not have children" and if you meant to say that i will lie to
them, then please show me one post where i mention kids or
what i will teach them ! (stop fishing mate)

peace :glugglug

because it means i get to enjoy 2 public holidays :) :thumbsup

coming from a piece of scum leech who hangs out at GFY to gain posters.

you are the most stupid person on GFY, have you realized this?

you hang out here, gathering icq nuymbers and emails trying to get people to post on your board.

pathetic is an understatement.

this guy emails and icqs people from GFY to ask them to visit his board and post.

this type of shit doesnt even get much attention.

jump through another hoop.

Siskel and Ebert say .. :thumbsup :thumbsup

What do you tell your kids about lying in order to not hurt people?

Because it gets me a day off work. That's why.

What ya looking for people to say?

Christ rose from the dead, brought forth new life, all we can do is reflect back to what has already been, and draw celebration as a form of rememberance of that day. Yes, man made day.

Just like we reflect back on Christmas as the day Jesus was born, and celebrate. Man made holiday as well.

But the events has to have occured for man to want to celebrate them.

Since "Good Friday" is actually supposed to be a solemn day for Christians, I don't think his death is actually celebrated as much as observed with reverence.

However, "Easter Sunday", or Jesus resurrection may be a time for celebration because of it's fulfillment of the scripture, and confirming for christians that Christ was the true savior.


Someday, God's heavenly "siren" will sound and the dead in Christ will be resurrected! (1 Thess. 4:16-18) says, "The Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

Jesus promises that a time will come when those who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out (John 5:28-29). He says, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies" (John 11:25).

Although there are some christians who disagree with the "celebration" of easter as a religeous holiday...

"You ask why Christians celebrate Easter. You may be surprised to find that there are many who do not celebrate Easter as a particular, religious holiday. Many congregations of what are known as the churches of Christ and some other Christian groups object to celebrating Easter any differently than any other Sunday. It is their contention that they celebrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ every Sunday in the weekly observance of the Lord's Supper and do not need a special Sunday to celebrate those events. Some particularly object to Easter as it falls on the calendar because the Catholic Church specifically designated Easter so it would not fall during or near Passover in most years. (2002 is an exception.) The Orthodox Church celebrates Easter on an even different Sunday than do the Catholics and most Protestant groups that grew out of the Catholic tradition. So while some Christians choose one special day to remember the resurrection of Christ others do so every week.

The Easter bunny and Easter eggs may have their origin in pagan, or at least non-Christian, rituals. As you point out, so do many other things in modern Christian practice. This would include most Christmas customs including the date thereof, many wedding customs including the honeymoon, and even saying "bless you" when someone sneezes. The Easter bunny and Easter eggs have become a part of the celebration because they represent the rebirth of spring, a time in which Jesus was resurrected to a renewal of life. As I said in answer to another question most people don't even know of these origins, so the practice itself would only be objectionable if they knew, and insisted on doing it for its original religious reasons. If the customs are followed as customs and not as religious practices then the Bible says nothing to forbid them. In fact it specifically forbids people from judging others based on such customs. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days." (Col 2:16) "

http://www.geocities.com/riversideco...ns/easter.html