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KRL · 04-20-2003, 11:46 AM

And don't forget about the shavers in the background shaving the shavers.

Everyone points their fingers at just the program operators all the time. You forget how easy it would be for the billing companies to shave the sponsors and you also.

Let's say after the sponsor gets done shaving you, the sponsor's 3rd party cc processor shows a false cancellation from a member on the sponsors masters stats, so the sponsor and you are no longer getting a rebill from the customer, but then the cc processor bills them for an extra month or two past the cancellation and just pockets the extra transactions and screws both the sponsor and the webmaster.

As long as a company is run by human beings it can not ever be trusted 100% because humans are inherently devious self serving critters. Trust Me, In Business Trust No One!

stocktrader23 · 04-20-2003, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by traffic addict

It doesn't matter how many clicks you get, the only thing that matter is how many $$$$ are you getting for the traffic that you are sending.

If one program is showing 10k clicks and send you $1000, and a nother program is showing you for the same traffic 200 clicks and wire you $900, then you better keep on with the $1000!

I see this retarded statement on here several times a month and I find it hilarious. You are basically saying who gives a shit they shave this one pays more.

So what are you going to do if these shavers show less and less in your stats and instead of $1000 vs $900 it gets to $200 vs $150.

From your point of view keep sending to the site that sends $200 because thats more money. Foolish.

Darren · 04-20-2003, 12:11 PM

I hate to say it but the people who shave rely on the stupidity of webmasters.

The ones who just look at the ratio, dont see the wider picture...

This is why PER signup programs are so popular IMO. If webmasters actually looked at the wider picture there is NO way you would choose a per signup sponsor over something which converts and recurs ...

maxcom · 04-20-2003, 12:47 PM

No BIC here, tracked by ccbill

TDF · 04-20-2003, 12:53 PM

only stats we use are ccbill's... www.exploitedmedia.com

Snake Doctor · 04-20-2003, 01:39 PM

Let's look at it this way. Let's say you have a site with a steady consistent traffic base. A TGP with 100K bookmarks for instance.

You know that program A shaves, and that program B doesn't shave.
You fly banners for program A this month, and you get a check for 5K.
You fly banners for program B next month, and you get a check for 3K.

Are you going to keep sending traffic to program A, who makes you the most money, even though you know they're shaving your sales, or are you going to stick with program B and take a 2K a month loss just because they're honest?
(If you answered B you're either lying or a terrible business person)

Also, Darren has a point, resellers more or less created the shave themselves. They flock in droves to whichever program gives the highest $$ per join or per click. So in order for a sponsor program to keep its webmaster base, it has to "keep up with the joneses" and offer similar payouts.

When Flashcash announced they were paying $20 per free trial sign up, half a dozen webmasters posted "$20 a free trial isn't even worth sending traffic to"
But realistically that's all a free trial join is worth, unless you're shaving signups, or, pulling a porncash and fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant.

The bottom line is.....well, the bottom line. Send your traffic to the place that makes you the most money and forget all of the other shit.

Darren · 04-20-2003, 02:17 PM

Lenny2 is so RIGHT, look at your bottom line profit and send th clicks to the sponsor which makes u the most.

The problem with this is most webmasters dont even know their profit - they are baoogled by ratios and $85 pay days.

PersianKitty · 04-20-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by IntenseCash

Our old program used to have trials but we just launched our new program, so we currently don?t. We also decided to pay $40 per signup instead of $40 per active. We plan on adding trials again after we fully get our new program into place. You are still seeing those trial signups because not all webmasters have switched to the new program. We did not see any decrease in sales but we would still like to use them again; Lastly, we expect the new program to increase sales for webmasters by 20% if not more.

What I meant was that the membership sites themselves say "3 day trial access", but then when someone puts in their info and goes to the second join page there is no option for 3 day access. Most surfers who are trying to join based on that would stop there and would likely be pretty pissed off that they've given someone their email addy on the pretense that they could get a 3 day trial only to find out they can't. I bet the ratio of signups to the # of people that enter their info on the first page is very very low.

IntenseCash · 04-20-2003, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PersianKitty

What I meant was that the membership sites themselves say "3 day trial access", but then when someone puts in their info and goes to the second join page there is no option for 3 day access. Most surfers who are trying to join based on that would stop there and would likely be pretty pissed off that they've given someone their email addy on the pretense that they could get a 3 day trial only to find out they can't. I bet the ratio of signups to the # of people that enter their info on the first page is very very low.

Thank you for bring that to our attention, we thought we fixed all of them, but all of our best converting sites have been fixed. We will be adding trials again ASAP, but again we have not seen decrease in signups. We are just waiting for the webmasters to switch to the new program and make sure our numbers are good before offering trials again. Thanks again. If you have any more questions or comments please email us: webmaster at intensecash.com

PersianKitty · 04-20-2003, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by IntenseCash

Thank you for bring that to our attention, we thought we fixed all of them, but all of our best converting sites have been fixed. We will be adding trials again ASAP, but again we have not seen decrease in signups. We are just waiting for the webmasters to switch to the new program and make sure our numbers are good before offering trials again. Thanks again. If you have any more questions or comments please email us: webmaster at intensecash.com

And what are you best converting sites? I didn't see a listing on your affiliate program.

IntenseCash · 04-20-2003, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by PersianKitty

And what are you best converting sites? I didn't see a listing on your affiliate program.

SpringBreakBoobs, Bodybuilders, and HS Boys are doing very well.

Theo · 04-20-2003, 06:12 PM

More than a couple of per signup sponsors shave and I'm talking by experience. If you want to believe the opposite it's fine.

I have done test signups, I do know from two per signup owners they do so, I have friends done test signups that never appeared, I know a major per signup sponsor putting a limit to 19 signups/day in your stats (even if you send 50signups, you wont get credit for them), I know from the no1 affiliate of a HUGE sponsor they do so and blah blah

My no1 concern is the performance of a sponsor per click. I focus there and try to maximize it. If a sponsor that I know it shaves, still manages to maximize my results, I will keep using it. A sponsor that doesn't shave, doesn't mean it will make you more money. This goes to the partnership programs as well. Sorry to say that, but the majorty of the partnership programs around suck ass and that's why I'm avoiding them. The money you'll make from a paysite doesn't reflect always their actual value, but for sure it reflects how they bill the surfer.

BluMedia · 04-20-2003, 06:25 PM

We allow test signups at anytime on IntenseCash. We still don't see why you would screw your webmasters over.

Mark

04-20-2003, 11:42 AM	#51
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04-20-2003, 11:46 AM	#52
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	And don't forget about the shavers in the background shaving the shavers. Everyone points their fingers at just the program operators all the time. You forget how easy it would be for the billing companies to shave the sponsors and you also. Let's say after the sponsor gets done shaving you, the sponsor's 3rd party cc processor shows a false cancellation from a member on the sponsors masters stats, so the sponsor and you are no longer getting a rebill from the customer, but then the cc processor bills them for an extra month or two past the cancellation and just pockets the extra transactions and screws both the sponsor and the webmaster. As long as a company is run by human beings it can not ever be trusted 100% because humans are inherently devious self serving critters. Trust Me, In Business Trust No One! __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

04-20-2003, 12:11 PM	#54
Darren Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,994	I hate to say it but the people who shave rely on the stupidity of webmasters. The ones who just look at the ratio, dont see the wider picture... This is why PER signup programs are so popular IMO. If webmasters actually looked at the wider picture there is NO way you would choose a per signup sponsor over something which converts and recurs ... __________________ Penis enlargement / male enhancement pills - earn up to $229.48 per signup ICQ: 46335817 Last edited by Darren; 04-20-2003 at 12:13 PM..

04-20-2003, 12:53 PM	#56
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04-20-2003, 01:39 PM	#57
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Let's look at it this way. Let's say you have a site with a steady consistent traffic base. A TGP with 100K bookmarks for instance. You know that program A shaves, and that program B doesn't shave. You fly banners for program A this month, and you get a check for 5K. You fly banners for program B next month, and you get a check for 3K. Are you going to keep sending traffic to program A, who makes you the most money, even though you know they're shaving your sales, or are you going to stick with program B and take a 2K a month loss just because they're honest? (If you answered B you're either lying or a terrible business person) Also, Darren has a point, resellers more or less created the shave themselves. They flock in droves to whichever program gives the highest $$ per join or per click. So in order for a sponsor program to keep its webmaster base, it has to "keep up with the joneses" and offer similar payouts. When Flashcash announced they were paying $20 per free trial sign up, half a dozen webmasters posted "$20 a free trial isn't even worth sending traffic to" But realistically that's all a free trial join is worth, unless you're shaving signups, or, pulling a porncash and fucking the surfer with a dick big enough to kill an elephant. The bottom line is.....well, the bottom line. Send your traffic to the place that makes you the most money and forget all of the other shit. __________________ sig too big

04-20-2003, 12:47 PM	#55
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04-20-2003, 02:17 PM	#58
Darren Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,994	Lenny2 is so RIGHT, look at your bottom line profit and send th clicks to the sponsor which makes u the most. The problem with this is most webmasters dont even know their profit - they are baoogled by ratios and $85 pay days. __________________ Penis enlargement / male enhancement pills - earn up to $229.48 per signup ICQ: 46335817

04-20-2003, 06:12 PM	#63
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	More than a couple of per signup sponsors shave and I'm talking by experience. If you want to believe the opposite it's fine. I have done test signups, I do know from two per signup owners they do so, I have friends done test signups that never appeared, I know a major per signup sponsor putting a limit to 19 signups/day in your stats (even if you send 50signups, you wont get credit for them), I know from the no1 affiliate of a HUGE sponsor they do so and blah blah My no1 concern is the performance of a sponsor per click. I focus there and try to maximize it. If a sponsor that I know it shaves, still manages to maximize my results, I will keep using it. A sponsor that doesn't shave, doesn't mean it will make you more money. This goes to the partnership programs as well. Sorry to say that, but the majorty of the partnership programs around suck ass and that's why I'm avoiding them. The money you'll make from a paysite doesn't reflect always their actual value, but for sure it reflects how they bill the surfer.

04-20-2003, 06:25 PM	#64
BluMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,973	We allow test signups at anytime on IntenseCash. We still don't see why you would screw your webmasters over. Mark __________________ IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job . BrokeStraightBoys.com converting 1:124 stats counted by Nats