Canada tells US no help here

[ChrisH]

Canada won't turn over any Ba'ath Party members if they find them

[cluck]

Anyone who doesn't turn over Saddam Heussein to the authorities is an idiot and should be tried for harboring a terrorist.

Then again, I wouldn't turn him over to the authorities.... if I had a gun

As far as Baath party members, it'd all depend on their rank. News reports have shown that a great deal of them were only officers out of fear and they secretly wanted a regime change.

[L0stMind]

The chretien government has got to go.

But at least they arent saying they'd let him go or anything. But still, is Chretien trying to become the next US state?

[rooster]

chreitan is trying to become the next france

[The Truth Hurts]

Good, fuck them, who needs em.

We'll just go in covert style and take the motherfuckers anyway.
It's not like theres any border security to stop us.

And even if the do catch on, who gives a fuck anyway..
they're canadian, what are they gonna do, become even bigger whining bitches than they already are?

[ChrisH]

Originally posted by rooster
chreitan is trying to become the next france

Interesting you mention France. The US not buying French products, and not going to Paris has made quite a stir in the French economy.

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
Good, fuck them, who needs em.

We'll just go in covert style and take the motherfuckers anyway.
It's not like theres any border security to stop us.

And even if the do catch on, who gives a fuck anyway..
they're canadian, what are they gonna do, become even bigger whining bitches than they already are?

[Serge_Oprano]

Originally posted by ChrisH


Interesting you mention France. The US not buying French products, and not going to Paris has made quite a stir in the French economy.

yeap!

Frenchies crying...pay backs are a bitch!

[WiredGuy]

I'm ashamed of my government sometimes...
WG

[cluck]

OK OK in my opinion Chrietan is stupid for not wanting to let coalition forces take care of their own enemy who's fleeing from them. He wants to let an international court take care of it, which is not at all like harboring him. We shouldn't go calling him a friend of Saddam, he just wants to let the world decide what to do to him instead of us.

Of course this is by Bill O'Reily so he leaves all the important parts until where most people will stop reading lol. The whole point of the article was to make Chrietan bad so that he could make Bill Clinton look bad. Fox News fair and balanced? I think not.

[Tex Willer]

i destroyed france and persians in civ3 last week

www.civ3.com

[ChrisH]

Originally posted by cluck
OK OK in my opinion Chrietan is stupid for not wanting to let coalition forces take care of their own enemy who's fleeing from them. He wants to let an international court take care of it, which is not at all like harboring him. We shouldn't go calling him a friend of Saddam, he just wants to let the world decide what to do to him instead of us.

Of course this is by Bill O'Reily so he leaves all the important parts until where most people will stop reading lol. The whole point of the article was to make Chrietan bad so that he could make Bill Clinton look bad. Fox News fair and balanced? I think not.

Cluck,
The Hague would give Saddam a sentence of 15 - 20 years. You think that's fair?

[rooster]

yea, they employ such diehard conservatives like geraldo and allan combs

[ChrisH]

Originally posted by rooster
yea, they employ such diehard conservatives like geraldo and allan combs

[cluck]

Originally posted by ChrisH


Cluck,
The Hague would give Saddam a sentence of 15 - 20 years. You think that's fair?

No, I'm just saying that it's not that bad. Look at it this way. They actually caught him, that'd be a great feat in itself. We should give them the benefit of the doubt in trying him. Of course, if they do in fact try and give him some 15-20 year bullshit, we should put our foot down.

[foreverjason]

Chretien doesnt represent us anymore! hes a fuck!

[cluck]

Originally posted by rooster
yea, they employ such diehard conservatives like geraldo and allan combs

Well the network in general and the regular news reporting definetly has some right wing leaning. Allan Combs and Geraldo are just there to make liberals look like idiots

Actually I kind of like Fox News. They may be full of propaganda but right wing propaganda is usually alot less distorted than left wing propaganda. Right wingers are generally logical goal oriented thinkers who disregard humanistic matters. Left wingers are all emotion so you get a sob fest with very little facts. Since I can pretty much tell fact from opinion I prefer right wing media.

[gruffy]

Originally posted by cluck
Anyone who doesn't turn over Saddam Heussein to the authorities is an idiot and should be tried for harboring a terrorist.

its suprising what lengths a government will go to piss you off when you murder its soldiers for your cause and then refuse a court marshal.

[ChrisH]

Originally posted by cluck


No, I'm just saying that it's not that bad. Look at it this way. They actually caught him, that'd be a great feat in itself. We should give them the benefit of the doubt in trying him. Of course, if they do in fact try and give him some 15-20 year bullshit, we should put our foot down.

The Hage just tried that female president from the baltic area. I can't remember her name. She was in with Milosvich. Anyway she was found guilty of ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity, she recieved a 12 year sentence. I saw the sentencing live on Euronews and was sick when they read the sentence.

Plus, there is intelegence that we need to get from any of the high ranking officers. However, Canada doesn't seem to care if we need the info or not, because if they find them they won't give them to us.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by ChrisH


Cluck,
The Hague would give Saddam a sentence of 15 - 20 years. You think that's fair?

so what are the states gonna do about the other dictators in the world who kill their people?

if you want to talk fair, then act it.

[ChrisH]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


so what are the states gonna do about the other dictators in the world who kill their people?

if you want to talk fair, then act it.

Do you need something new to complain about?

Chretien has become a disgrace to our country. I would like to choke him the same way he likes to choke protestors.

[cluck]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


so what are the states gonna do about the other dictators in the world who kill their people?

if you want to talk fair, then act it.

A good point for discussing at another time but there's more factors in this. We already fought our war on him, it's not like he's just another one of these dictators. If Canada caught one of them we would have no reason to have a say in their trial.

[Martin]

hahaha I love it.. It's going to be sad to see this guy go..

OK, I admit the chokehold thing was pretty cool, but it is definately time for him to get out.

[cool1]

Chretien is out in 9 months, he is retiring and I only wish he would leave now.
He is too damn much a pussy for the job anyways.

[Martin]

Originally posted by evildick


OK, I admit the chokehold thing was pretty cool, but it is definately time for him to get out.

Why? He's doing a fine job..

I don't know if you were being sarcastic, but I wouldn't consider hurting relations with the U.S. doing a fine job.

Here's a letter I was forwarded last month from a friend and local business owner, his father is chairman of the board for one of the largest auto parts companies in Canada.

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Dear Mrs. (name removed because this guy won't want names spread on an adult message board)

As a constituent in your riding, I am writing you today to let you know my views on the war in Iraq and how our Prime Minister's anti-American stand is hurting Canada.

As the Member of Parliament for (name removed), I urge you to inform Mr. Chretien that our position is hurting investment in this country that depends solely on the U.S. We have had record levels of trade since the signing of the Free Trade Agreement and to make Canadians suffer because of a Prime Minister and Government who is making comments not reflecting the views of many Canadians is absolutely disgusting.

As a Canadian and business owner, I am concerned for the long term friendship we have with our American brothers.

Americans and Canadians have stood shoulder to shoulder for centuries. If there was a terrorist attack or foreign aggressor on our soil, Americans would be there to help us. It is time our Prime Minister and Government announces that "Canadians morally support the U.S. and U.K. troops and we will join the war." Whether we join in a peacekeeping role or join in the fighting, our nation has to participate. It is embarassing and is going to have a negative effect on our relationship with Americans if we just sit on the fence as our Prime Minister has proven in his entire political career.

I reflect back on the first war in Iraq. When Prime Minister Mulroney thankfully supported the United States after Iraq invaded Kuwait, then Opposition Leader Chretien was opposed to us joining the war. His view has not changed even as P.M. Does he not understand the importance of our relationship with our neighbours or has his time finally come for him to go? I think one thing all Canadians understand is that this Prime Minister likes power at all costs.

In conclusion Mrs. (name removed), please stand shoulder to shoulder with our American and British troops. Speak out against your government. Do not worry about politcial consequences as politicians normally do.


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Of course the MP told him she didn't agree.

[ChrisH]

evildick,
That's a great letter you friend wrote. I know that many Canadians personally supportted the US action in Iraq. I NEVER bash Canada in anyway and didn't mean to with my post. I just find it insulting that Chretien has been so against this.

However I didn't know that he also was against the Gulf War in 91. That is amazing in it self. Even Syria supported that war. lol

[Martin]

Sorry bro... No offence but...

Don't buy into the the crap coming from Steve Harper or Joe Clark and the garbage you hear on the news..Fact is we don't always go along with what the US wants us to do over the many years now and life went on.. Fact is there is just as many rich Americans that depend on Canada as there is rich Canadians depending on the US..

[Martin]

Canada always falls in line.. Don't worry about it ;-) We just can't look like we're bending over..

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by Tex Willer
i destroyed france and persians in civ3 last week

www.civ3.com

France has ICBM's in my game. I'm afraid of them but I have military alliances with the Zulu. Of course they don't have much more than horses and swordsmen so that doesn't help me. I love that game

WG

[CDSmith]

Although that article contains some poorly written bias about Canada, our economic situation, being "socialistic" etc, the point is quite clear that Chretien is making it very difficult for Canadians that
A) do business in or with the USA, and
B) plan to travel in the USA now or anytime soon.


This is not a blanket statement to cover all Americans, because many are great understanding people. But there are also a lot who think simplistically and see all Canadians in one light, thinking that Jean Chretien speaks for everyone. Recently I have heard stories from friends and relatives about Canadians being refused service in US stores, restaurants, and even hotels and motels.

It is likely now only going to get worse.

Sticking to your "guns" is one thing, but when you feel so strongly about sending these "little points and messages" so much so that you cause a rift between the two countries in the world that are both free and best of friends, you are either suffering the onset of Alzeihmer's or you have your head up your ass.

[directfiesta]

Any other source than Fox?

Checked:

CBC.ca
Sympatico.ca
Reuters.com
yahoo.com
cnn.com
news.bbc.co.uk
msnbc.com

Is it a " Fox Exclusive"....

[Shoplifter]

I wonder if this is bogus...

But if it is true it again makes me proud to be a Canadian. Better to tun them over to a court where there is due process than the
anonymous ghetto the USA is running at Guantanamo.

My brother is a high up in the civil service in Ottawa...he has mentioned that many there are puzzled by the blatant double standards the USA now operates by. There doesn't even seem to be even the appearance of appropriate policies by the USA these days.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by foreverjason
Chretien doesnt represent us anymore! hes a fuck!

Yeah, we've got that vibe going in the U.S. with Bush!

[Darin]

USA Rocks!

Thank you...

[XxXotic]

Originally posted by Darin
USA Rocks!

Thank you...

you're welcome

[ChrisH]

Originally posted by directfiesta
Any other source than Fox?

Checked:

CBC.ca
Sympatico.ca
Reuters.com
yahoo.com
cnn.com
news.bbc.co.uk
msnbc.com

Is it a " Fox Exclusive"....

In a free press world, that's called "breaking news"

[Spunky]

[theWatsonian]

That pisses me off. Where's Jact so I can thrash a Canadian without feeling guilty?

[digihax]

whats the possibility of the US treating Canada like it does cuba nothing goes in nothing goes out.. basicly no importing or exporting. until they turn over the terrorists.

anyone think that would happen if so canadians would be fucked dont you think?.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by ChrisH


Do you need something new to complain about?

[notjoe]

Originally posted by digihax
whats the possibility of the US treating Canada like it does cuba nothing goes in nothing goes out.. basicly no importing or exporting. until they turn over the terrorists.

anyone think that would happen if so canadians would be fucked dont you think?.

We would be fucked, but so would American since 25% of your exports come to us!

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by ChrisH


Do you need something new to complain about?

let the international courts handle saddam.

the states says that they care about the iraqi people, yet they worry more about oil fields than they do the history or culture of iraq. they could care less about what saddam done to his people.

[genomega]

the states says that they care about the iraqi people, yet they worry more about oil fields than they do the history or culture of iraq. they could care less about what saddam done to his people.

Do you have any idea how stupid this statement sounds?

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by genomega

Do you have any idea how stupid this statement sounds?

so are you saying its not true?

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

let the international courts handle saddam.

The point was regarding the argument that the "states should play fair" by going after "the other dictators in the world who kill their people".

I think the reality is that anyone who says that
doesn't really want that. If the US were to go to war against North Korea, Syria, or Iran I seriously doubt
anyone making this argument would suddenly be happy that the US is being "consistent". More likely, it would be something "new to complain about".


Not to mention that it's just not feasible. War against every dictatorial government in the world would be prohibitively costly both in terms of real and political capital.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Colin


The point was regarding the argument that the "states should play fair" by going after "the other dictators in the world who kill their people".

I think the reality is that anyone who says that
doesn't really want that. If the US were to go to war against North Korea, Syria, or Iran I seriously doubt
anyone making this argument would suddenly be happy that the US is being "consistent". More likely, it would be something "new to complain about".


Not to mention that it's just not feasible. War against every dictatorial government in the world would be prohibitively costly both in terms of real and political capital.

then don't come out and say that you're going in to free the iraqi people when thats not the purpose.

if the states prosecute saddam that looks very bad in the eyes of an arab. if you're an american you have a big target on your back. you don't know when a terrorist organization will strike or where it will happen. if the bush government continues to piss off the arab world, the probability of another major terrorist attack on american soil increases.

obviously nothing that american does will please the arab world. you guys need to try and step back a bit and let the international community get involved. try to win the PR battle and not make things worse than they already are.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


so are you saying its not true?

Something bad or unexpected or even *gasp* a mistake in judgement will always occur in war. This military campaign is more remarkable for the bad things that didn't happen than the bad things that did.

I'm glad we're not talking about 40,000 civilian deaths or a million Iraqi refugees at the Jordan border today. I'm glad we're not talking about thousands of American soldiers that died in Urban combat. I'm glad we're not talking about South-Eastern Iraq being on fire for the next six months. I'm glad hundreds of Jordanians, Kuwaitis and Israelis weren't killed by Iraqi missiles. I'm glad US special forces secured dams
before they could be blown.

If you're against a war, there will ALWAYS be something that goes wrong. It's a near impossibility that there won't be. If there wasn't a museum robbery to discuss, it would be something else. As much as this is a loss to academia - and of course it's a matter of private opinion - most of the world would be much more upset at one million Iraqi refugees streaming towards the Jordanian border.