crockett

Another part of the Trump dossier was just confirmed. Early on there was a hand written ledger that the Ukraine govt uncovered that showed several payments to Manafort Trump campaign advisor from Russia.

There was no proof other than the ledger, however proof just leaked and at least 1 of the payments on the ledger has been confirmed by bank statements.

This shit is far from over boys...

Records link some Ukraine ledger payments to ex-Trump aide Paul Manafort - CBS News

Sarn

>Russia payment to Manafort just got confirmed

Ukrainians never lie 100% truth Putin did it.

"Records link some Ukraine ledger payments to ex-Trump aide Paul Manafort"
"Ukrainian investigators called"

Robbie

So Manafort's political consulting firm apparently did work for some Ukrainian politicians in 2007 and 2009???

Gee...I wonder if the guy did other work around the world as well in other countries.

Or was he supposed to tell his company that they are only allowed to work with U.S. clients?

In one breath you hear the media pushing a "global economy"...in the next they "investigate" to see where your company has done business. Probably not much of an "investigation" either. Public knowledge if you really wanted to know it.

But to find it out...they had to go back ten years and look at every political race in the world. lol
Couldn't find anything in Russia...but found a client from 10 years ago who is politically "pro-Russian" in the Ukraine.

Fuck...I just realized that I promote some of those teen "babe" sites. And the girls are Russian on those sites. I guess I now have "ties" to Russia.

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CaptainHowdy

Ok ........

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directfiesta

Trump: Hey Jarred , where is another military airbase in Syria ?

crockett

BANK RECORDS in case you purposely missed that part...

crockett

I know you want to do everything possible to try and discredit this because it's "your guy" and "your team" and all, but for once in your fucking life stop being willfully ignorant.

The ledger was for "under the table" (AKA ILLEGAL) payments by the pro-Russian Ukraine party. The ledger has a whole list of payments and lots of names, dating from way back until more recent times. These were the 1st two proven, there are many more on the ledger. Added to this Manafort claimed very publicly that the ledger was fake and he didn't do this nor did his firm. Not only has he been caught taking money under the table, he lied about it..Do you not comprehend this?

Seriously why are you so in-capable of reading and understanding what is being written vs your fairly tale reality?

Manfort's name appeared on the ledger 12 times with a total of 12.7 million in payments. This is 1.2 million of those payments confirmed..

The prosecutor confirmed that Manafort's name appears 12 times for 22 different entries, totaling $12.7 million between 2007 and 2012. Manafort has denied receiving any cash payments, and it's not his signature on the ledger. Investigators say they're tracking down those who did sign for the cash. The ledger itself is held at the anti-corruption bureau. We weren't allowed to film the Manafort pages because of the ongoing investigation, but a source showed us a copy of one page. On October 5th, 2012, Paul Manafort's name appears against a sum of $400,000 designated for exit polling. Another for $812,000 was marked for international observers.

This was all under the table illegal payments.. Now 2 of them have been confirmed.. Manafort will be headed to jail....

2MuchMark

Glad to see this and related are finally starting to be exposed.

Is there anyone in Trump's team not associated with Russia?

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crockett

This could possible lead to much more than just Trump's team.. The Dossier claimed that Masfort was one of the guys that took shares in the Russian oil company in exchange for changing the GOP stance on Russia and sanctions over Crimea.

This is basically more fleshing out of the Dossier and showing it was in fact a legitimate source of information, meaning further claims with-in it have a much better chance at being true.. This whole ordeal might just lead back into the Republican party/GOP not just Trump.. Trump alone would have never been able to change the GOP's stance on Russia, specially at that point because they did not like him at all and he hadn't even taken office at that point..

Rochard

Pretty much everyone in the Trump administration did business in Russia.

Rex Tillerson, the Secretary of State, has won the "Order of Friendship" from Putin directly.

Still not enough? LOL. Trumps daughter vacations with Putin's daughter.

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Robbie

That's called preponderance of evidence Rochard.
Look that up. It is considered to be the weakest type of evidence in a court of law.

You are using the same exact line of reasoning that people used on Obama: his dad is Kenyan, his brother is Kenyan, he went to a Muslim school, his name sounds Muslim...you get the picture.

This is the kind of stuff that wouldn't go far in a court.
To me you sound no different than some little old lady who "just knows" Obama is a Muslim who wants to destroy the US because just look at all the many things that point to it...

It's a dumb argument no matter what your agenda is.

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Bladewire

You're not an attorney Robbie.

A "preponderance of evidence" is the quality and amount of evidence and can only be quantified after all evidence is presented. Dope

Now go find the legal term you really meant to reference and get back to us stupid.

directfiesta

You mean like : " Assad did the chemical weapon attack " ?

Bladewire

Assad admitted to having chemical weapons and refused to sign a treaty to abolish them and dispose of his inventory. A dictator that drops barrel bombs filled shrapnel of nuts, bolts etc on children has no problem gassing them, he likely sees it as more humane.

Refusing to believe the truth & reality doesn't make it go away.


List of chemical attacks on children in Syria

March 19, 2013:
More than two dozen people, including several Syrian soldiers, die in a sarin gas attack in northern Syria. The government and rebels each blame the other for the incident.

Aug. 21, 2013:
Hundreds of men, women and children are gassed with the banned nerve agent sarin in an attack near Damascus. The U.S. blames the Syrian government.


April 2015
Syrian groups in Idlib province say barrel bombs containing chlorine were dropped.

August and September 2016
Hospital officials and activists in Aleppo say chlorine gas is used in attacks.

Feb. 28., 2017:
Russia and China veto a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing sanctions against Syria for chemical weapons use.

April 4, 2017:
An attack on a rebel-held city in northern Syria kills at least 86 people, 27 of them children. Autopsies on three Syrians who died after being brought to Turkey for treatment suggest sarin was used in the attack.

crockett

Here we go.. Robbie ignoring the facts and starts trying to nit pick at little things which are only circumstantial to the big picture.. Typical Robbie denial and blame shifting in action, there was no way he could not bring up Obama with-in the 1st few posts..
Next we will see how many posts it requires for him to bring up that he has me on ignore.. yet still posts in my topics.. Cheerios..

Sarn

>by the pro-Russian Ukraine party

That better. Then not Russia but "pro-Russian party".
Ukraian party who worked with americans like Manafort - it pro-Russian now?

Matt-ADX

Crocket,

I posted a good conversation where Eli Lake (Bloomberg) explains what a lot of these types of transactions are about. Almost everyone in Washington takes money from Foreign Governments, essentially they paying them to tell them what certain people in Washington etc.. are thinking, what's the current political vibe.. Flynn's request for immunity was basically about this. If you hold office you officially have to declare the funds as a Foreign Government agent (Again everyone does this) Flynn it appears took money from Turkey and filed it under a different title, not the Foreign Government agent act or whatever it's called. When he ''Resigned'' he instantly declared that money in the correct way. Now does he know other stuff? Maybe, but it's now obvious he did a no no with that Turkey money.

This seems like the same type of payment. Which isn't illegal.

Not defending them, just learned myself how shady everyone is it seems. To think they basically legally sell Gossip to other countries seems shady to me.

Robbie

I think that ALL the people who make a permanent living off of Govt. become corrupted after a few years.

And yeah...If you could make millions just talking to politicians from other countries and telling them what you think the politicians in Washington are thinking...then hell yes. You would be a fool not to take that easy money.

In Manafort's case however...he is a political campaign consultant. He is one of those overpriced "experts" that all the politicians who LOST to Trump used.

Trump only hired the guy when he was pressured by the media to get a "professional" running his campaign.
Remember? CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, The Washington Post, The New York Times, etc., etc. all kept running story's back in the beginning of 2016 saying that Trump's campaign was "imploding" and that he needed to fire Corey Lewandowski and hire a "real" campaign manager.

I remember it well. Watching CNN in the morning of the day Trump hired Manafort and watching Chris Cuomo proclaim that Trump now had a professional and an "adult" running his campaign.

He was hired as a guy who could "corral" delegates for Trump. Remember?
He had all the connections nationwide with the Republican Party to make sure that no delegates jumped ship before the RNC convention.
Manafort was previously an adviser to the U.S. presidential campaigns of Republicans Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and Bob Dole.

So he had a long history of doing this (Rochard will probably claim that Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Dole are all Russian spies now too).

And the big "controversy" is that he worked on the Ukraine Presidential campaign of Viktor Yanukovych in 2004 and again in 2010.

Newsflash: That's his "job". He works on campaigns for politicians all over the world. Just like all of us, he works where the money is.

Anyway, he worked for Trump for FOUR MONTHS. And in August of 2016 his job was done. The RNC convention took place and Trump's delegates all remained loyal.
Trump then let him go and Kelly Anne Conway took over the campaign.
The media immediately began saying that Trump's campaign was in "turmoil" and even Hillary Clinton said to Trump during the debate that his campaign was "imploding"

Remember?

A few weeks later...Trump was President. LOL!

Seems like the media and many anti-Trump losers on GFY seem to forget all of these things and have no real knowledge of how the world works.

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Bladewire

So you're going from your previous stance saying it was a conspiracy and never happened to now saying this is business as usual and Manafort is a victim being singled out.

klinton

comrade, coffee break. You contributed a lot already to socialist fatherland. you cant post and post.


You cant work that much, its dangerous.
Promotion awaits you. maybe even holiday in Bulgaria/Yalta ? (dont confuse it with kamchatka comrade)

Bladewire

In America money laundering is a serious crime with serious jail time.

New documents show Trump aide Manafort laundered payments from party backed by Moscow

crockett

They have to disclose the payments.. If they are working on behalf of a foreign govt, they have to disclose it. The fact he did not, means he broke US law. It's not illegal to work for a foreign govt, but you have to disclose that you are, specially when working well with-in the US govt and with US govt officials.

The other implications are money laundering and that his agency was used to move money to other US officials..

When they say people are going to jail over this stuff, this guy is one of them..

crockett

Always everyone elses fault.. are you sure you are not Russian?

JFK

it was in small print

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You have no idea what you are talking about. "Preponderance of the evidence" is a legal standard that applies in civil law suits.

Legal Dictionary | Law.com

"Preponderance of the evidence" is all that is required for a litigant to prevail, so by definition it cannot be "the weakest type of evidence" like you erroneously claimed.

Sarn

It is really funny. Ukrainians political party with an american Manafort = Pro-Russian

Rochard

Won't go too far in court? We know for a fact that Russia hacked the DNC and released confidential information. In fact, Richard Burr was on TV this morning discussing not only the DNC hack, but also how the Russians hacked the Republicans but failed to release anything from them. This is not circumstantial at this point.

The further we dig, the more connections we find. People have already resigned in disgrace, careers are being ended. This investigation is just starting, and the further we dig the more we find.

This is so much bigger than politics Robbie. Explain to me why the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency is having secret discussions with Russia?

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klinton

sadly, I discovered that it is the same twisted logic like thinking that Nemtsov WAS NOT killed by Putin....

Bladewire

Party of Regions > Communist Party of the Soviet Union > Russia paid traitor Manafort to help Yanukovych win.

Yes America has traitors just like Russia, and like Russia, we eventually weed them out and they pay dearly for their betrayal of our motherland.

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Bladewire

Anyone notice that Manafort consulted Yanukovych in the Ukraine and Yanukovych was ousted for crimes and in exile in Russia, and what's happening to Trump Now?

Manafort is bad luck

klinton

I hear how Sarn is consulting the answer with the political officer in the background ("comrade general, sorry to wake you up that late, but what should I answer to this.... ? ")
lets wait, lest wait few minutes more.......

Sarn

In Ukraine 99% dirty money)) And money Ukraine take from Moscow because was biggest trade partner.
Chechens killed Nemtsov.
Liberals like him have not more 3% popularity - all because guys like Nemtsov with others make some privatisation(theft) government property in 90th. These freaks for the Western public))

klinton

so how would you name what Putin and his chronies do with your country ?
is that cow that gives oil still alive or already almost death ?

Barry-xlovecam

Cash makes no enemies ...

Robbie

Sadly, you didn't understand a thing I said.

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Horatio Caine

Imagine the shit storm from cuckold Robbie if this was one of Obamas lackeys.

Sarn

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Bladewire

2007 - 2012

2007 - 2009 were just the illegal payments discovered in the black ledger, he also "did business" with a Russian oligarch and a Ukrainian oligarch durring that period (more money laundering)

Helping advance the Russian government backed Party of Regions in the Ukraine who backed Yanukovych who is now in exile in Russia for crimes against the Ukrainian people and high treason.

Of course Putin protects another person committing crimes on his behalf, while saying he had nothing to do with them, or they didn't commit the crimes, like he says about Assad, of course.

Manafort never registered as a foreign agent on behalf of the Ukraine to purposely mislead other politicians, businesses & the American public.

Sarn

Great leader!!!
It not cow it bear

crockett

So does this mean dear supreme leader Trump will run off to hide in Russia..

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Rochard

I understood everything. You are saying I am giving you circumstantial evidence. And I am. Then I gave you the facts - Russia had a huge influence on our election.

The facts are Russia influenced our election. The facts are that Russia helped Trump win the election. The Russian government hacked both the Republicans and Democrats, then only released the information about the Democrats. And this was only part of it - the had thousands of people spreading fake news... Making fake websites and then spreading them on social media.

The rest of the circumstantial evidence is just the icing on the cake. The truth will continue to drip drip drip for the next year.

Seems Carter Page was under investigation for working for being a Russian agent. Surprise surprise surprise. Nearly everyone who works for the administration has ties directly to Russia.

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bronco67

Lane Crothers wrote something pretty good about this whole subject...people like Robbie who want to play devil's advocate should read carefully.


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don’t know – it’s hard for me to see any U.S. ties to Russia…except for the Flynn thing and the Manafort thing

and the Tillerson thing
and the Sessions thing
and the Kushner thing
and the Carter Page thing
and the Roger Stone thing
and the Felix Sater thing
and the Boris Ephsteyn thing
and the Rosneft thing
and the Gazprom thing
and the Sergey Gorkov banker thing
and the Azerbajain thing
and the “I love Putin” thing
and the Donald Trump, Jr. thing
and the Sergey Kislyak thing
and the Russian Affiliated Interests thing
and the Russian Business Interests thing
and the Emoluments Clause thing
and the Alex Schnaider thing
and the hack of the DNC thing
and the Guccifer 2.0 thing
and the Ivanks hanging out with Putin's girlfriend thing
and the Mike Pence “I don’t know anything” thing
and the Russians mysteriously dying thing
and Trump’s public request to Russia to hack Hillary’s email thing
and the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing
and the Russian fertilizer king’s plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing
and the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing
and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing
and the Cyprus bank thing
and Trump not releasing his tax returns thing
and the Republican Party’s rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing
and the election hacking thing
and the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing
and the Steele Dossier thing
and the Leninist Bannon thing
and the Sally Yates can’t testify thing
and the intelligence community’s investigative reports thing
and Trump’s reassurance that the Russian connection is all “fake news” thing
and Spicer’s Russian Dressing “nothing’s wrong” thing
so there’s probably nothing there
since the swamp has been drained, these people would never lie
probably why Nunes cancels the investigation meetings
all of this must be normal
just a bunch of separate dots with no connection.

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I have not changed my stance that Russia and Trump were colluding they were not!!

I am point out that this isn't really what it seems. In 2009 He was not a an elected official so he was probably selling gossip.

Turns out I was right

Looks like he is now registering as a foreign agent for the Ukraine.

Manafort expected to register as foreign agent for past Ukraine work - CNNPolitics.com

Matt-ADX

Only if they are an elected official or held office. I don't think he ever did, so he was not bound to declare it. Now it appears he is going to do it. Yeah not good, Eli Lake when explaining this said that it's illegal but he hasn't seen people go to jail over this type of stuff. Still shows what kind of guys these guys are.

Manafort expected to register as foreign agent for past Ukraine work - CNNPolitics.com

kane

A little more food for thought.

Today a story broke that the other members of the congressional intelligence committee that Nunes belongs to has now seen the papers that Nunes supposedly showed Trump that proved that Obama was wiretapping him and both the Democrats and Republicans on the committee have said that the documents contain nothing to back up his claims and that they contain nothing unusual.

Sounds like Nunes was talking out his ass.

Rochard

Manafort was required to register as a "foreign agent". The law isn't for politicians or government employees, but instead lobbyists. If an American represents the interests of a foreign government, they MUST register as a "foreign agent".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...gistration_Act

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Rochard

He was completely taking out of his ass. There is nothing illegal about "unmasking" someone.

The only reason they mask anything is to protect the privacy of every day average people - like you and me. I speak to people in Russia in a daily basis about routine business matters. It's even possible some of these discussions are recorded. Once they determine the call was routine and of no interest to the US government, the information is "masked". This way average people like all of us here on GFY don't have huge files at the CIA about every conversation we've ever had with someone in Russia.

However, when someone is a former officer in the United States Military or worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency and they speak to someone in the Russia government or someone who works for the government in China, well, there is no reason for it to be masked. It's a matter of national security. Even if it is routine, it's still added to his file.

What is most stunning is how this all came to light. Nunes originally claimed it was "whistle blowers" who showed him this information (lol, at the White House) and then he went to Trump with it. It was Trump's staff who showed it to Nunes, and obviously they had discussed it with Trump before showing it Nunes. If they didn't, they would have nothing more than people leaking information - the same people Trump is demanding we press charges against.

This is all bullshit. This was nothing more than an attempt to distract everyone from the truth, and it failed. In fact, it just made the Trump White House look silly.

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Matt-ADX

That makes sense. Thanks