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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818
    #1

    Russia payment to Manafort just got confirmed

    Another part of the Trump dossier was just confirmed. Early on there was a hand written ledger that the Ukraine govt uncovered that showed several payments to Manafort Trump campaign advisor from Russia.

    There was no proof other than the ledger, however proof just leaked and at least 1 of the payments on the ledger has been confirmed by bank statements.

    This shit is far from over boys...

    Records link some Ukraine ledger payments to ex-Trump aide Paul Manafort - CBS News
    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.
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    • Sarn
      WW3
      • Sep 2015
      • 12405
      #2
      >Russia payment to Manafort just got confirmed

      Ukrainians never lie 100% truth Putin did it.

      "Records link some Ukraine ledger payments to ex-Trump aide Paul Manafort"
      "Ukrainian investigators called"
      ----

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        • Robbie
          Leaner, Meaner, Faster
          • Aug 2002
          • 20960
          #3
          So Manafort's political consulting firm apparently did work for some Ukrainian politicians in 2007 and 2009???

          Gee...I wonder if the guy did other work around the world as well in other countries.

          Or was he supposed to tell his company that they are only allowed to work with U.S. clients?

          In one breath you hear the media pushing a "global economy"...in the next they "investigate" to see where your company has done business. Probably not much of an "investigation" either. Public knowledge if you really wanted to know it.

          But to find it out...they had to go back ten years and look at every political race in the world. lol
          Couldn't find anything in Russia...but found a client from 10 years ago who is politically "pro-Russian" in the Ukraine.

          Fuck...I just realized that I promote some of those teen "babe" sites. And the girls are Russian on those sites. I guess I now have "ties" to Russia.
          -Robbie
          ClaudiaMarie.Com

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            • CaptainHowdy
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Dec 2004
              • 94045
              #4
              Ok ........

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                • directfiesta
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 30157
                  #5
                  Trump: Hey Jarred , where is another military airbase in Syria ?
                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                    • crockett
                      in a van by the river
                      • May 2003
                      • 76818
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Sarn
                      >Russia payment to Manafort just got confirmed

                      Ukrainians never lie 100% truth Putin did it.

                      "Records link some Ukraine ledger payments to ex-Trump aide Paul Manafort"
                      "Ukrainian investigators called"
                      BANK RECORDS in case you purposely missed that part...
                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                        • crockett
                          in a van by the river
                          • May 2003
                          • 76818
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Robbie
                          So Manafort's political consulting firm apparently did work for some Ukrainian politicians in 2007 and 2009???

                          Gee...I wonder if the guy did other work around the world as well in other countries.

                          Or was he supposed to tell his company that they are only allowed to work with U.S. clients?

                          In one breath you hear the media pushing a "global economy"...in the next they "investigate" to see where your company has done business. Probably not much of an "investigation" either. Public knowledge if you really wanted to know it.

                          But to find it out...they had to go back ten years and look at every political race in the world. lol
                          Couldn't find anything in Russia...but found a client from 10 years ago who is politically "pro-Russian" in the Ukraine.

                          Fuck...I just realized that I promote some of those teen "babe" sites. And the girls are Russian on those sites. I guess I now have "ties" to Russia.
                          I know you want to do everything possible to try and discredit this because it's "your guy" and "your team" and all, but for once in your fucking life stop being willfully ignorant.

                          The ledger was for "under the table" (AKA ILLEGAL) payments by the pro-Russian Ukraine party. The ledger has a whole list of payments and lots of names, dating from way back until more recent times. These were the 1st two proven, there are many more on the ledger. Added to this Manafort claimed very publicly that the ledger was fake and he didn't do this nor did his firm. Not only has he been caught taking money under the table, he lied about it..Do you not comprehend this?

                          Seriously why are you so in-capable of reading and understanding what is being written vs your fairly tale reality?

                          Manfort's name appeared on the ledger 12 times with a total of 12.7 million in payments. This is 1.2 million of those payments confirmed..

                          The prosecutor confirmed that Manafort's name appears 12 times for 22 different entries, totaling $12.7 million between 2007 and 2012. Manafort has denied receiving any cash payments, and it's not his signature on the ledger. Investigators say they're tracking down those who did sign for the cash. The ledger itself is held at the anti-corruption bureau. We weren't allowed to film the Manafort pages because of the ongoing investigation, but a source showed us a copy of one page. On October 5th, 2012, Paul Manafort's name appears against a sum of $400,000 designated for exit polling. Another for $812,000 was marked for international observers.

                          This was all under the table illegal payments.. Now 2 of them have been confirmed.. Manafort will be headed to jail....
                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                            • 2MuchMark
                              Mark of 2Much.net
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 50931
                              #8
                              Originally posted by crockett
                              Another part of the Trump dossier was just confirmed. Early on there was a hand written ledger that the Ukraine govt uncovered that showed several payments to Manafort Trump campaign advisor from Russia.

                              There was no proof other than the ledger, however proof just leaked and at least 1 of the payments on the ledger has been confirmed by bank statements.

                              This shit is far from over boys...

                              Records link some Ukraine ledger payments to ex-Trump aide Paul Manafort - CBS News

                              Glad to see this and related are finally starting to be exposed.

                              Is there anyone in Trump's team not associated with Russia?

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                                • crockett
                                  in a van by the river
                                  • May 2003
                                  • 76818
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by 2MuchMark
                                  Glad to see this and related are finally starting to be exposed.

                                  Is there anyone in Trump's team not associated with Russia?
                                  This could possible lead to much more than just Trump's team.. The Dossier claimed that Masfort was one of the guys that took shares in the Russian oil company in exchange for changing the GOP stance on Russia and sanctions over Crimea.

                                  This is basically more fleshing out of the Dossier and showing it was in fact a legitimate source of information, meaning further claims with-in it have a much better chance at being true.. This whole ordeal might just lead back into the Republican party/GOP not just Trump.. Trump alone would have never been able to change the GOP's stance on Russia, specially at that point because they did not like him at all and he hadn't even taken office at that point..
                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                    • Rochard
                                      Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                      • Dec 2001
                                      • 75733
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Robbie
                                      So Manafort's political consulting firm apparently did work for some Ukrainian politicians in 2007 and 2009???

                                      Gee...I wonder if the guy did other work around the world as well in other countries.

                                      Or was he supposed to tell his company that they are only allowed to work with U.S. clients?

                                      In one breath you hear the media pushing a "global economy"...in the next they "investigate" to see where your company has done business. Probably not much of an "investigation" either. Public knowledge if you really wanted to know it.

                                      But to find it out...they had to go back ten years and look at every political race in the world. lol
                                      Couldn't find anything in Russia...but found a client from 10 years ago who is politically "pro-Russian" in the Ukraine.

                                      Fuck...I just realized that I promote some of those teen "babe" sites. And the girls are Russian on those sites. I guess I now have "ties" to Russia.
                                      Pretty much everyone in the Trump administration did business in Russia.

                                      Rex Tillerson, the Secretary of State, has won the "Order of Friendship" from Putin directly.

                                      Still not enough? LOL. Trumps daughter vacations with Putin's daughter.
                                      Herschel Savage
                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                        • Robbie
                                          Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                          • Aug 2002
                                          • 20960
                                          #11
                                          That's called preponderance of evidence Rochard.
                                          Look that up. It is considered to be the weakest type of evidence in a court of law.

                                          You are using the same exact line of reasoning that people used on Obama: his dad is Kenyan, his brother is Kenyan, he went to a Muslim school, his name sounds Muslim...you get the picture.

                                          This is the kind of stuff that wouldn't go far in a court.
                                          To me you sound no different than some little old lady who "just knows" Obama is a Muslim who wants to destroy the US because just look at all the many things that point to it...

                                          It's a dumb argument no matter what your agenda is.
                                          -Robbie
                                          ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                            • Bladewire
                                              StraightBro
                                              • Aug 2003
                                              • 56220
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Robbie
                                              That's called preponderance of evidence Rochard.
                                              Look that up. It is considered to be the weakest type of evidence in a court of law.
                                              You're not an attorney Robbie.

                                              A "preponderance of evidence" is the quality and amount of evidence and can only be quantified after all evidence is presented. Dope

                                              Now go find the legal term you really meant to reference and get back to us stupid.


                                              Skype: CallTomNow

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                                                • directfiesta
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 30157
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Robbie
                                                  That's called preponderance of evidence Rochard.
                                                  Look that up. It is considered to be the weakest type of evidence in a court of law.

                                                  You are using the same exact line of reasoning that people used on Obama: his dad is Kenyan, his brother is Kenyan, he went to a Muslim school, his name sounds Muslim...you get the picture.

                                                  This is the kind of stuff that wouldn't go far in a court.
                                                  To me you sound no different than some little old lady who "just knows" Obama is a Muslim who wants to destroy the US because just look at all the many things that point to it...

                                                  It's a dumb argument no matter what your agenda is.
                                                  You mean like : " Assad did the chemical weapon attack " ?
                                                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                    • Bladewire
                                                      StraightBro
                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                      • 56220
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by directfiesta
                                                      You mean like : " Assad did the chemical weapon attack " ?
                                                      Assad admitted to having chemical weapons and refused to sign a treaty to abolish them and dispose of his inventory. A dictator that drops barrel bombs filled shrapnel of nuts, bolts etc on children has no problem gassing them, he likely sees it as more humane.

                                                      Refusing to believe the truth & reality doesn't make it go away.




                                                      List of chemical attacks on children in Syria

                                                      March 19, 2013:
                                                      More than two dozen people, including several Syrian soldiers, die in a sarin gas attack in northern Syria. The government and rebels each blame the other for the incident.

                                                      Aug. 21, 2013:
                                                      Hundreds of men, women and children are gassed with the banned nerve agent sarin in an attack near Damascus. The U.S. blames the Syrian government.


                                                      April 2015
                                                      Syrian groups in Idlib province say barrel bombs containing chlorine were dropped.

                                                      August and September 2016
                                                      Hospital officials and activists in Aleppo say chlorine gas is used in attacks.

                                                      Feb. 28., 2017:
                                                      Russia and China veto a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing sanctions against Syria for chemical weapons use.

                                                      April 4, 2017:
                                                      An attack on a rebel-held city in northern Syria kills at least 86 people, 27 of them children. Autopsies on three Syrians who died after being brought to Turkey for treatment suggest sarin was used in the attack.


                                                      Skype: CallTomNow

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                                                        • crockett
                                                          in a van by the river
                                                          • May 2003
                                                          • 76818
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Robbie
                                                          That's called preponderance of evidence Rochard.
                                                          Look that up. It is considered to be the weakest type of evidence in a court of law.

                                                          You are using the same exact line of reasoning that people used on Obama: his dad is Kenyan, his brother is Kenyan, he went to a Muslim school, his name sounds Muslim...you get the picture.

                                                          This is the kind of stuff that wouldn't go far in a court.
                                                          To me you sound no different than some little old lady who "just knows" Obama is a Muslim who wants to destroy the US because just look at all the many things that point to it...

                                                          It's a dumb argument no matter what your agenda is.
                                                          Here we go.. Robbie ignoring the facts and starts trying to nit pick at little things which are only circumstantial to the big picture.. Typical Robbie denial and blame shifting in action, there was no way he could not bring up Obama with-in the 1st few posts..
                                                          Next we will see how many posts it requires for him to bring up that he has me on ignore.. yet still posts in my topics.. Cheerios..
                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                            • Sarn
                                                              WW3
                                                              • Sep 2015
                                                              • 12405
                                                              #16
                                                              >by the pro-Russian Ukraine party

                                                              That better. Then not Russia but "pro-Russian party".
                                                              Ukraian party who worked with americans like Manafort - it pro-Russian now?
                                                              ----

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                                                                • Matt-ADX
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Sep 2015
                                                                  • 1497
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Crocket,

                                                                  I posted a good conversation where Eli Lake (Bloomberg) explains what a lot of these types of transactions are about. Almost everyone in Washington takes money from Foreign Governments, essentially they paying them to tell them what certain people in Washington etc.. are thinking, what's the current political vibe.. Flynn's request for immunity was basically about this. If you hold office you officially have to declare the funds as a Foreign Government agent (Again everyone does this) Flynn it appears took money from Turkey and filed it under a different title, not the Foreign Government agent act or whatever it's called. When he ''Resigned'' he instantly declared that money in the correct way. Now does he know other stuff? Maybe, but it's now obvious he did a no no with that Turkey money.

                                                                  This seems like the same type of payment. Which isn't illegal.

                                                                  Not defending them, just learned myself how shady everyone is it seems. To think they basically legally sell Gossip to other countries seems shady to me.

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                                                                    • Robbie
                                                                      Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                      • 20960
                                                                      #18
                                                                      I think that ALL the people who make a permanent living off of Govt. become corrupted after a few years.

                                                                      And yeah...If you could make millions just talking to politicians from other countries and telling them what you think the politicians in Washington are thinking...then hell yes. You would be a fool not to take that easy money.

                                                                      In Manafort's case however...he is a political campaign consultant. He is one of those overpriced "experts" that all the politicians who LOST to Trump used.

                                                                      Trump only hired the guy when he was pressured by the media to get a "professional" running his campaign.
                                                                      Remember? CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, The Washington Post, The New York Times, etc., etc. all kept running story's back in the beginning of 2016 saying that Trump's campaign was "imploding" and that he needed to fire Corey Lewandowski and hire a "real" campaign manager.

                                                                      I remember it well. Watching CNN in the morning of the day Trump hired Manafort and watching Chris Cuomo proclaim that Trump now had a professional and an "adult" running his campaign.

                                                                      He was hired as a guy who could "corral" delegates for Trump. Remember?
                                                                      He had all the connections nationwide with the Republican Party to make sure that no delegates jumped ship before the RNC convention.
                                                                      Manafort was previously an adviser to the U.S. presidential campaigns of Republicans Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and Bob Dole.

                                                                      So he had a long history of doing this (Rochard will probably claim that Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Dole are all Russian spies now too).

                                                                      And the big "controversy" is that he worked on the Ukraine Presidential campaign of Viktor Yanukovych in 2004 and again in 2010.

                                                                      Newsflash: That's his "job". He works on campaigns for politicians all over the world. Just like all of us, he works where the money is.

                                                                      Anyway, he worked for Trump for FOUR MONTHS. And in August of 2016 his job was done. The RNC convention took place and Trump's delegates all remained loyal.
                                                                      Trump then let him go and Kelly Anne Conway took over the campaign.
                                                                      The media immediately began saying that Trump's campaign was in "turmoil" and even Hillary Clinton said to Trump during the debate that his campaign was "imploding"

                                                                      Remember?

                                                                      A few weeks later...Trump was President. LOL!

                                                                      Seems like the media and many anti-Trump losers on GFY seem to forget all of these things and have no real knowledge of how the world works.
                                                                      -Robbie
                                                                      ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                        • Bladewire
                                                                          StraightBro
                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 56220
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Matt-ADX
                                                                          Crocket,

                                                                          I posted a good conversation where Eli Lake (Bloomberg) explains what a lot of these types of transactions are about. Almost everyone in Washington takes money from Foreign Governments, essentially they paying them to tell them what certain people in Washington etc.. are thinking, what's the current political vibe.. Flynn's request for immunity was basically about this. If you hold office you officially have to declare the funds as a Foreign Government agent (Again everyone does this) Flynn it appears took money from Turkey and filed it under a different title, not the Foreign Government agent act or whatever it's called. When he ''Resigned'' he instantly declared that money in the correct way. Now does he know other stuff? Maybe, but it's now obvious he did a no no with that Turkey money.

                                                                          This seems like the same type of payment. Which isn't illegal.

                                                                          Not defending them, just learned myself how shady everyone is it seems. To think they basically legally sell Gossip to other countries seems shady to me.
                                                                          So you're going from your previous stance saying it was a conspiracy and never happened to now saying this is business as usual and Manafort is a victim being singled out.


                                                                          Skype: CallTomNow

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                                                                            • klinton
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                              • 8766
                                                                              #20
                                                                              comrade, coffee break. You contributed a lot already to socialist fatherland. you cant post and post.


                                                                              You cant work that much, its dangerous.
                                                                              Promotion awaits you. maybe even holiday in Bulgaria/Yalta ? (dont confuse it with kamchatka comrade)

                                                                              Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                              >by the pro-Russian Ukraine party

                                                                              That better. Then not Russia but "pro-Russian party".
                                                                              Ukraian party who worked with americans like Manafort - it pro-Russian now?

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                                                                                • Bladewire
                                                                                  StraightBro
                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                  • 56220
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  In America money laundering is a serious crime with serious jail time.

                                                                                  New documents show Trump aide Manafort laundered payments from party backed by Moscow


                                                                                  Skype: CallTomNow

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                                                                                    • crockett
                                                                                      in a van by the river
                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                      • 76818
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Matt-ADX
                                                                                      Crocket,

                                                                                      I posted a good conversation where Eli Lake (Bloomberg) explains what a lot of these types of transactions are about. Almost everyone in Washington takes money from Foreign Governments, essentially they paying them to tell them what certain people in Washington etc.. are thinking, what's the current political vibe.. Flynn's request for immunity was basically about this. If you hold office you officially have to declare the funds as a Foreign Government agent (Again everyone does this) Flynn it appears took money from Turkey and filed it under a different title, not the Foreign Government agent act or whatever it's called. When he ''Resigned'' he instantly declared that money in the correct way. Now does he know other stuff? Maybe, but it's now obvious he did a no no with that Turkey money.

                                                                                      This seems like the same type of payment. Which isn't illegal.

                                                                                      Not defending them, just learned myself how shady everyone is it seems. To think they basically legally sell Gossip to other countries seems shady to me.
                                                                                      They have to disclose the payments.. If they are working on behalf of a foreign govt, they have to disclose it. The fact he did not, means he broke US law. It's not illegal to work for a foreign govt, but you have to disclose that you are, specially when working well with-in the US govt and with US govt officials.

                                                                                      The other implications are money laundering and that his agency was used to move money to other US officials..

                                                                                      When they say people are going to jail over this stuff, this guy is one of them..
                                                                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                          I think that ALL the people who make a permanent living off of Govt. become corrupted after a few years.

                                                                                          And yeah...If you could make millions just talking to politicians from other countries and telling them what you think the politicians in Washington are thinking...then hell yes. You would be a fool not to take that easy money.

                                                                                          In Manafort's case however...he is a political campaign consultant. He is one of those overpriced "experts" that all the politicians who LOST to Trump used.

                                                                                          Trump only hired the guy when he was pressured by the media to get a "professional" running his campaign.
                                                                                          Remember? CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, The Washington Post, The New York Times, etc., etc. all kept running story's back in the beginning of 2016 saying that Trump's campaign was "imploding" and that he needed to fire Corey Lewandowski and hire a "real" campaign manager.

                                                                                          I remember it well. Watching CNN in the morning of the day Trump hired Manafort and watching Chris Cuomo proclaim that Trump now had a professional and an "adult" running his campaign.

                                                                                          He was hired as a guy who could "corral" delegates for Trump. Remember?
                                                                                          He had all the connections nationwide with the Republican Party to make sure that no delegates jumped ship before the RNC convention.
                                                                                          Manafort was previously an adviser to the U.S. presidential campaigns of Republicans Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and Bob Dole.

                                                                                          So he had a long history of doing this (Rochard will probably claim that Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Dole are all Russian spies now too).

                                                                                          And the big "controversy" is that he worked on the Ukraine Presidential campaign of Viktor Yanukovych in 2004 and again in 2010.

                                                                                          Newsflash: That's his "job". He works on campaigns for politicians all over the world. Just like all of us, he works where the money is.

                                                                                          Anyway, he worked for Trump for FOUR MONTHS. And in August of 2016 his job was done. The RNC convention took place and Trump's delegates all remained loyal.
                                                                                          Trump then let him go and Kelly Anne Conway took over the campaign.
                                                                                          The media immediately began saying that Trump's campaign was in "turmoil" and even Hillary Clinton said to Trump during the debate that his campaign was "imploding"

                                                                                          Remember?

                                                                                          A few weeks later...Trump was President. LOL!

                                                                                          Seems like the media and many anti-Trump losers on GFY seem to forget all of these things and have no real knowledge of how the world works.
                                                                                          Always everyone elses fault.. are you sure you are not Russian?
                                                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                            • JFK
                                                                                              FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                              • 67369
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                              BANK RECORDS in case you purposely missed that part...
                                                                                              it was in small print

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                                                                                                • TheDynasty
                                                                                                  See Signature
                                                                                                  • Apr 2016
                                                                                                  • 5882
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  It's all coming to light!
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                                                                                                    • Bladewire
                                                                                                      StraightBro
                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                      • 56220
                                                                                                      #26







                                                                                                      Skype: CallTomNow

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                                                                                                        • TCLGirls
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Feb 2010
                                                                                                          • 3068
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                          That's called preponderance of evidence Rochard.
                                                                                                          Look that up. It is considered to be the weakest type of evidence in a court of law.

                                                                                                          You are using the same exact line of reasoning that people used on Obama: his dad is Kenyan, his brother is Kenyan, he went to a Muslim school, his name sounds Muslim...you get the picture.

                                                                                                          This is the kind of stuff that wouldn't go far in a court.
                                                                                                          To me you sound no different than some little old lady who "just knows" Obama is a Muslim who wants to destroy the US because just look at all the many things that point to it...

                                                                                                          It's a dumb argument no matter what your agenda is.


                                                                                                          You have no idea what you are talking about. "Preponderance of the evidence" is a legal standard that applies in civil law suits.

                                                                                                          Legal Dictionary | Law.com

                                                                                                          "Preponderance of the evidence" is all that is required for a litigant to prevail, so by definition it cannot be "the weakest type of evidence" like you erroneously claimed.

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                                                                                                            • Sarn
                                                                                                              WW3
                                                                                                              • Sep 2015
                                                                                                              • 12405
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                                              comrade, coffee break. You contributed a lot already to socialist fatherland. you cant post and post.
                                                                                                              ...
                                                                                                              You cant work that much, its dangerous.
                                                                                                              Promotion awaits you. maybe even holiday in Bulgaria/Yalta ? (dont confuse it with kamchatka comrade)
                                                                                                              ...
                                                                                                              It is really funny. Ukrainians political party with an american Manafort = Pro-Russian
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                                                                                                                • Rochard
                                                                                                                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                  • 75733
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                  That's called preponderance of evidence Rochard.
                                                                                                                  Look that up. It is considered to be the weakest type of evidence in a court of law.

                                                                                                                  You are using the same exact line of reasoning that people used on Obama: his dad is Kenyan, his brother is Kenyan, he went to a Muslim school, his name sounds Muslim...you get the picture.

                                                                                                                  This is the kind of stuff that wouldn't go far in a court.
                                                                                                                  To me you sound no different than some little old lady who "just knows" Obama is a Muslim who wants to destroy the US because just look at all the many things that point to it...

                                                                                                                  It's a dumb argument no matter what your agenda is.
                                                                                                                  Won't go too far in court? We know for a fact that Russia hacked the DNC and released confidential information. In fact, Richard Burr was on TV this morning discussing not only the DNC hack, but also how the Russians hacked the Republicans but failed to release anything from them. This is not circumstantial at this point.

                                                                                                                  The further we dig, the more connections we find. People have already resigned in disgrace, careers are being ended. This investigation is just starting, and the further we dig the more we find.

                                                                                                                  This is so much bigger than politics Robbie. Explain to me why the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency is having secret discussions with Russia?
                                                                                                                  Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                  Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                    • klinton
                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                      • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                      • 8766
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      sadly, I discovered that it is the same twisted logic like thinking that Nemtsov WAS NOT killed by Putin....

                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                                                      It is really funny. Ukrainians political party with an american Manafort = Pro-Russian

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                                                                                                                        • Bladewire
                                                                                                                          StraightBro
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                          • 56220
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                                                          It is really funny. Ukrainians political party with an american Manafort = Pro-Russian
                                                                                                                          Party of Regions > Communist Party of the Soviet Union > Russia paid traitor Manafort to help Yanukovych win.

                                                                                                                          Yes America has traitors just like Russia, and like Russia, we eventually weed them out and they pay dearly for their betrayal of our motherland.


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                                                                                                                            • Bladewire
                                                                                                                              StraightBro
                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                              • 56220
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Anyone notice that Manafort consulted Yanukovych in the Ukraine and Yanukovych was ousted for crimes and in exile in Russia, and what's happening to Trump Now?

                                                                                                                              Manafort is bad luck


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                                                                                                                                • klinton
                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 8766
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  I hear how Sarn is consulting the answer with the political officer in the background ("comrade general, sorry to wake you up that late, but what should I answer to this.... ? ")
                                                                                                                                  lets wait, lest wait few minutes more.......
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                                                                  sadly, I discovered that it is the same twisted logic like thinking that Nemtsov WAS NOT killed by Putin....

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                                                                                                                                    • Sarn
                                                                                                                                      WW3
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2015
                                                                                                                                      • 12405
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                      In America money laundering is a serious crime with serious jail time.

                                                                                                                                      New documents show Trump aide Manafort laundered payments from party backed by Moscow
                                                                                                                                      In Ukraine 99% dirty money)) And money Ukraine take from Moscow because was biggest trade partner.
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                                                                      sadly, I discovered that it is the same twisted logic like thinking that Nemtsov WAS NOT killed by Putin....
                                                                                                                                      Chechens killed Nemtsov.
                                                                                                                                      Liberals like him have not more 3% popularity - all because guys like Nemtsov with others make some privatisation(theft) government property in 90th. These freaks for the Western public))
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                                                                                                                                        • klinton
                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 8766
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          so how would you name what Putin and his chronies do with your country ?
                                                                                                                                          is that cow that gives oil still alive or already almost death ?
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sarn
                                                                                                                                          Chechens killed Nemtsov.
                                                                                                                                          Liberals like him have not more 3% popularity - all because guys like Nemtsov with others make some privatisation(theft) government property in 90th. These freaks for the Western public))

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                                                                                                                                            • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                              It's 42
                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                              • 18083
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Cash makes no enemies ...

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                                                                                                                                                • Robbie
                                                                                                                                                  Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 20960
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                  Won't go too far in court? We know for a fact that Russia hacked the DNC and released confidential information. In fact, Richard Burr was on TV this morning discussing not only the DNC hack, but also how the Russians hacked the Republicans but failed to release anything from them. This is not circumstantial at this point.

                                                                                                                                                  The further we dig, the more connections we find. People have already resigned in disgrace, careers are being ended. This investigation is just starting, and the further we dig the more we find.

                                                                                                                                                  This is so much bigger than politics Robbie. Explain to me why the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency is having secret discussions with Russia?
                                                                                                                                                  Sadly, you didn't understand a thing I said.
                                                                                                                                                  -Robbie
                                                                                                                                                  ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                                                                    • Horatio Caine
                                                                                                                                                      full-time aspiring rapper
                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2012
                                                                                                                                                      • 5746
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Imagine the shit storm from cuckold Robbie if this was one of Obamas lackeys.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Sarn
                                                                                                                                                          WW3
                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2015
                                                                                                                                                          • 12405
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                          Party of Regions > Communist Party of the Soviet Union > Russia paid traitor Manafort to help Yanukovych win.

                                                                                                                                                          Yes America has traitors just like Russia, and like Russia, we eventually weed them out and they pay dearly for their betrayal of our motherland.
                                                                                                                                                          It is biggest mistake

                                                                                                                                                          Party of Regions - exclusively for Eurointegration, - Azarov, Jr.
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                                                                                                                                                            • Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                              StraightBro
                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                              • 56220
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                              So Manafort's political consulting firm apparently did work for some Ukrainian politicians in 2007 and 2009???
                                                                                                                                                              2007 - 2012

                                                                                                                                                              2007 - 2009 were just the illegal payments discovered in the black ledger, he also "did business" with a Russian oligarch and a Ukrainian oligarch durring that period (more money laundering)

                                                                                                                                                              Helping advance the Russian government backed Party of Regions in the Ukraine who backed Yanukovych who is now in exile in Russia for crimes against the Ukrainian people and high treason.

                                                                                                                                                              Of course Putin protects another person committing crimes on his behalf, while saying he had nothing to do with them, or they didn't commit the crimes, like he says about Assad, of course.

                                                                                                                                                              Manafort never registered as a foreign agent on behalf of the Ukraine to purposely mislead other politicians, businesses & the American public.


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                                                                                                                                                                • Sarn
                                                                                                                                                                  WW3
                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2015
                                                                                                                                                                  • 12405
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                                                                                                  so how would you name what Putin and his chronies do with your country ?
                                                                                                                                                                  is that cow that gives oil still alive or already almost death ?
                                                                                                                                                                  Great leader!!!
                                                                                                                                                                  It not cow it bear
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                                                                                                                                                                    • crockett
                                                                                                                                                                      in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 76818
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                                      Anyone notice that Manafort consulted Yanukovych in the Ukraine and Yanukovych was ousted for crimes and in exile in Russia, and what's happening to Trump Now?

                                                                                                                                                                      Manafort is bad luck
                                                                                                                                                                      So does this mean dear supreme leader Trump will run off to hide in Russia..
                                                                                                                                                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                          Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                          • 75733
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                                                                                                                          Sadly, you didn't understand a thing I said.
                                                                                                                                                                          I understood everything. You are saying I am giving you circumstantial evidence. And I am. Then I gave you the facts - Russia had a huge influence on our election.

                                                                                                                                                                          The facts are Russia influenced our election. The facts are that Russia helped Trump win the election. The Russian government hacked both the Republicans and Democrats, then only released the information about the Democrats. And this was only part of it - the had thousands of people spreading fake news... Making fake websites and then spreading them on social media.

                                                                                                                                                                          The rest of the circumstantial evidence is just the icing on the cake. The truth will continue to drip drip drip for the next year.

                                                                                                                                                                          Seems Carter Page was under investigation for working for being a Russian agent. Surprise surprise surprise. Nearly everyone who works for the administration has ties directly to Russia.
                                                                                                                                                                          Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                          Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                            • bronco67
                                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                                                                              • 29026
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Lane Crothers wrote something pretty good about this whole subject...people like Robbie who want to play devil's advocate should read carefully.


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                                                                                                                                                                              don’t know – it’s hard for me to see any U.S. ties to Russia…except for the Flynn thing and the Manafort thing

                                                                                                                                                                              and the Tillerson thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Sessions thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Kushner thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Carter Page thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Roger Stone thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Felix Sater thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Boris Ephsteyn thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Rosneft thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Gazprom thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Sergey Gorkov banker thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Azerbajain thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the “I love Putin” thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Donald Trump, Jr. thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Sergey Kislyak thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Russian Affiliated Interests thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Russian Business Interests thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Emoluments Clause thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Alex Schnaider thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the hack of the DNC thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Guccifer 2.0 thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Ivanks hanging out with Putin's girlfriend thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Mike Pence “I don’t know anything” thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Russians mysteriously dying thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and Trump’s public request to Russia to hack Hillary’s email thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Russian fertilizer king’s plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Cyprus bank thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and Trump not releasing his tax returns thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Republican Party’s rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the election hacking thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Steele Dossier thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Leninist Bannon thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the Sally Yates can’t testify thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and the intelligence community’s investigative reports thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and Trump’s reassurance that the Russian connection is all “fake news” thing
                                                                                                                                                                              and Spicer’s Russian Dressing “nothing’s wrong” thing
                                                                                                                                                                              so there’s probably nothing there
                                                                                                                                                                              since the swamp has been drained, these people would never lie
                                                                                                                                                                              probably why Nunes cancels the investigation meetings
                                                                                                                                                                              all of this must be normal
                                                                                                                                                                              just a bunch of separate dots with no connection.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Matt-ADX
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 1497
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                                                  So you're going from your previous stance saying it was a conspiracy and never happened to now saying this is business as usual and Manafort is a victim being singled out.
                                                                                                                                                                                  I have not changed my stance that Russia and Trump were colluding they were not!!

                                                                                                                                                                                  I am point out that this isn't really what it seems. In 2009 He was not a an elected official so he was probably selling gossip.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Turns out I was right

                                                                                                                                                                                  Looks like he is now registering as a foreign agent for the Ukraine.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Manafort expected to register as foreign agent for past Ukraine work - CNNPolitics.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Matt-ADX
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1497
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                                                                                                      They have to disclose the payments.. If they are working on behalf of a foreign govt, they have to disclose it. The fact he did not, means he broke US law. It's not illegal to work for a foreign govt, but you have to disclose that you are, specially when working well with-in the US govt and with US govt officials.

                                                                                                                                                                                      The other implications are money laundering and that his agency was used to move money to other US officials..

                                                                                                                                                                                      When they say people are going to jail over this stuff, this guy is one of them..
                                                                                                                                                                                      Only if they are an elected official or held office. I don't think he ever did, so he was not bound to declare it. Now it appears he is going to do it. Yeah not good, Eli Lake when explaining this said that it's illegal but he hasn't seen people go to jail over this type of stuff. Still shows what kind of guys these guys are.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Manafort expected to register as foreign agent for past Ukraine work - CNNPolitics.com

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • kane
                                                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 20684
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          A little more food for thought.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Today a story broke that the other members of the congressional intelligence committee that Nunes belongs to has now seen the papers that Nunes supposedly showed Trump that proved that Obama was wiretapping him and both the Democrats and Republicans on the committee have said that the documents contain nothing to back up his claims and that they contain nothing unusual.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Sounds like Nunes was talking out his ass.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                              Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 75733
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Matt-ADX
                                                                                                                                                                                              Only if they are an elected official or held office. I don't think he ever did, so he was not bound to declare it. Now it appears he is going to do it. Yeah not good, Eli Lake when explaining this said that it's illegal but he hasn't seen people go to jail over this type of stuff. Still shows what kind of guys these guys are.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Manafort expected to register as foreign agent for past Ukraine work - CNNPolitics.com
                                                                                                                                                                                              Manafort was required to register as a "foreign agent". The law isn't for politicians or government employees, but instead lobbyists. If an American represents the interests of a foreign government, they MUST register as a "foreign agent".

                                                                                                                                                                                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...gistration_Act
                                                                                                                                                                                              Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                                              Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 75733
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                                                                                                  A little more food for thought.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Today a story broke that the other members of the congressional intelligence committee that Nunes belongs to has now seen the papers that Nunes supposedly showed Drumpf that proved that Obama was wiretapping him and both the Democrats and Republicans on the committee have said that the documents contain nothing to back up his claims and that they contain nothing unusual.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sounds like Nunes was talking out his ass.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  He was completely taking out of his ass. There is nothing illegal about "unmasking" someone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The only reason they mask anything is to protect the privacy of every day average people - like you and me. I speak to people in Russia in a daily basis about routine business matters. It's even possible some of these discussions are recorded. Once they determine the call was routine and of no interest to the US government, the information is "masked". This way average people like all of us here on GFY don't have huge files at the CIA about every conversation we've ever had with someone in Russia.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  However, when someone is a former officer in the United States Military or worked for the Defense Intelligence Agency and they speak to someone in the Russia government or someone who works for the government in China, well, there is no reason for it to be masked. It's a matter of national security. Even if it is routine, it's still added to his file.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  What is most stunning is how this all came to light. Nunes originally claimed it was "whistle blowers" who showed him this information (lol, at the White House) and then he went to Trump with it. It was Trump's staff who showed it to Nunes, and obviously they had discussed it with Trump before showing it Nunes. If they didn't, they would have nothing more than people leaking information - the same people Trump is demanding we press charges against.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is all bullshit. This was nothing more than an attempt to distract everyone from the truth, and it failed. In fact, it just made the Trump White House look silly.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Matt-ADX
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 1497
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Manafort was required to register as a "foreign agent". The law isn't for politicians or government employees, but instead lobbyists. If an American represents the interests of a foreign government, they MUST register as a "foreign agent".

                                                                                                                                                                                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreig...gistration_Act
                                                                                                                                                                                                      That makes sense. Thanks

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