What, you can't accept that your USA killed children and women , or bombs hospitals, etc...
So, if you apply the same logic, Russia could be outraged of the massacre and decide to send a message , hence bomb aù US used airfield in Iraq, from where those planes took off ....
.. or it is only a one way street ???
PS: stop with the French , you americans always say that they are pussies, so make up your mind!
I am unique and lived overseas for 5 years straight without coming back to visit the U.S. I've seen my country from the outside, don't lump me in with "you Americans" it shows your ignorance of who you're speaking to.
What, you can't accept that your USA killed children and women , or bombs hospitals, etc...
We sure have. All countries have. It's called the fog of war.
It's pretty obvious to you that the building was a school or a hospital. But in an airplane thirty thousand feet up, it was nothing more than a map grid or GPS coordinate.
But you have to understand the difference here. Assad (most likely) ordered his military to drop chemical weapons on his own citizens, where as the case you mentioned where the recent US bombing kill one hundred civilians was an accident which is being investigated.
There is no doubt in my mind Assad dropped these chemical weapons. However, Assad (and the Russians) are claiming this air raid exploded chemical weapons already on the ground. Although we have a "best guess", shouldn't we be sure before we drop bombs on another country?
You know how sarin gas bombs work right? You have to have and equal mixture of methylphosphonyl difluoride and methylphosphonic dichloride that create the gas when exploded. Bombing sarin chemical weapons factory doesn't create sarin gas, it's a specific precise measurement to make them work.
The reason there is a civil war in Syria is because Assad tortured and murders children and adults .. Its a long story you should know this already.. we should have taken out Assad years ago, just like NK this is long overdue.
. Assad (most likely) ordered his military to drop chemical weapons on his own citizens,
You do know he admitted to Having chemical weapons and promised to dispose of them while also refusing to sign the treaty to do so right? When have Assads fighters ever been bombed with sarin gas by rebels? NEVER
After the previous sarin attack remember Assad bombed the clinic hours later where survivors were being treated. Imagine that, the suffering and pain of the burning suffocation and being lucky enough to make it to a clinic and as you start to open your eyes as the swelling goes down the clinic gets bombed and your arms are blown off while others are dead.
Pretty obvious Putin knows the chemical weapons are on the Syrian airbase as Russian troops have shared it with the Syrians for a while now, Putin is complicit in the recent gas attack.
"On Thursday, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that Russia had failed to carry out a 2013 agreement to secure Syrian chemical weapons, adding that Moscow was either complicit or incompetent in its ability to uphold that deal.
Tillerson said that the U.S. had a high degree of confidence that sarin nerve gas had been used in Tuesday's chemical attack in northern Syria."
“There is no doubt in our minds, and the information we have supports that Syria, the Syria regime under the leadership of President Bashar al-Assad are responsible for this attack,” Tillerson said.
Sounds exactly like from the GWB 43's playbook.
Terrible, absolutely useless strike that will accomplish absolutely nothing apart from strenghtening the actual Jihadi's that are still on the field in Syria.
Still can't wrap my head around who came up with this insane, ill move and what is the motivation behind it.
tit for tat retaliation is never a good thing, however, the aircraft are being wiped out that killed many civilians from the chemical attack earlier in the week.
Turkey has already done autopsies on some of the bodies.. It was Sarin gas..
Turkish Justice Minister Bekir Bozdag said Thursday that autopsy results on victims of the attack in Khan Sheikhoun, Idlib province, confirmed that a ?chemical weapon was used.? A statement later Thursday by Turkey?s health ministry said the autopsy results pointed to an attack with the deadly nerve agent Sarin. Chemical weapons experts who spoke to CBS News after seeing video of the victims also said it appeared to be a likely Sarin gas attack.
Autopsies on three of those who lost their lives were carried out at a Turkish forensics institute in Adana, according to local media. The victims died after being ferried across the border for treatment with around thirty others.
Great story. No proof WHO did it though, which is what he meant... not proof of the weapon used you idiot.
This reeks of a huge setup btw, false flag story.
Think about it. Assad is in a comfortable winning position against Isis right now. When he was with his back against the wall a few years ago and isis was a lot bigger, he didnt use gas attacks. In all this time he never used it. And now that he is winning, all of a sudden he feels its necessary to attack with gas? It doesn't add up at all.
And remember, the US priority during all this was constantly focusing on Assad regime instead of fighting isis. Their primary objective was, and still is, to overthrow assad to place one of their puppets there. This sarin gas attack, when isis is already diminishing, is very, very, very convenient for the anti Assad agenda...
Again, why would he all of a sudden use sarin gas at a time where isis is at its weakest and smallest since their occupation of syria?
Too convenient. Too good to be true for the US overthrow plan. Assad has come this far, and all of a sudden he stops thinking and gasses people like a retard? Yea im sure he would do that at a time where he could almost rule the country again.
Think, analyze, and see how this doesn't make any sense. I say it's complete bullshit.
Cam the West stand back and allow people like Assad to use WMDs?
And if so does that stretch to Nuclear Weapons?
IS is backed by many Muslims and Muslim countries, they didn't just appear fully armed without a lot of financial backing.
Can a moderate leader rule countries like Syria, given the deep divides withing its tribal culture?
After losing the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, will the West lose this one? Losing a war = the country not reverting back to type or worse after the troops leave.
We must stop thinking of Western solutions to ME problems. Hamas is condemning the people the Gaza strip to brutal reprisals because it will not stop firing missiles into Israel. Israel has no intention of stopping its expansion into the West Bank. After that where next?
These people still believe in Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel and all the other bullshit in their bibles for the only purpose of military expansion. God tells them to do it. Or their tribal leaders tell them God told him to tell them to do it.
We either pull out and buy the oil from the winners or occupy the ME. Which is maybe what Russia will do and suck up the casualties.
this is the most logical explanation that I agree with. However, you dont calculate here one thing - maybe Assad is insane ?
all these years as top chief commander can make people go psychopat...and that would be really sad ;]
Originally posted by nico-t
Think about it. Assad is in a comfortable winning position against Isis right now. When he was with his back against the wall a few years ago and isis was a lot bigger, he didnt use gas attacks. In all this time he never used it. And now that he is winning, all of a sudden he feels its necessary to attack with gas? It doesn't add up at all.
And remember, the US priority during all this was constantly focusing on Assad regime instead of fighting isis. Their primary objective was, and still is, to overthrow assad to place one of their puppets there. This sarin gas attack, when isis is already diminishing, is very, very, very convenient for the anti Assad agenda...
Again, why would he all of a sudden use sarin gas at a time where isis is at its weakest and smallest since their occupation of syria?
Too convenient. Too good to be true for the US overthrow plan. Assad has come this far, and all of a sudden he stops thinking and gasses people like a retard? Yea im sure he would do that at a time where he could almost rule the country again.
Think, analyze, and see how this doesn't make any sense. I say it's complete bullshit.
There is no doubt in my mind Assad dropped these chemical weapons. However, Assad (and the Russians) are claiming this air raid exploded chemical weapons already on the ground. Although we have a "best guess", shouldn't we be sure before we drop bombs on another country?
By that pea-brained logic the USA never should have fought against Germany in WW2..
Japan and Germany were allies and Declared war against USA. But attack in Syria it is violation international laws against sovereign country - act aggression. And without approve congress it is violation constitution USA
Japan and Germany were allies and Declared war against USA. But attack in Syria it is violation international laws against sovereign country - act aggression. And without approve congress it is violation constitution USA
Syria is a failed state and should longer qualify as a sovereign country. Half of its territory is now controlled by the so called "Islamic State" which is recognized by no one.
So you're a US constitutional expert?
Anyways, Obama made the same constitutional violation in Libya in 2011. So did Clinton in Yugoslavia. I assume you were just as concerned about the US constitution in those cases, right?
By that pea-brained logic the USA never should have fought against Germany in WW2.
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Please feed the pea ,,,, lol
Although the war began with Nazi Germany's attack on Poland in September 1939, the United States did not enter the war until after the Japanese bombed the American fleet in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941.
You know how sarin gas bombs work right? You have to have and equal mixture of methylphosphonyl difluoride and methylphosphonic dichloride that create the gas when exploded. Bombing sarin chemical weapons factory doesn't create sarin gas, it's a specific precise measurement to make them work.
The reason there is a civil war in Syria is because Assad tortured and murders children and adults .. Its a long story you should know this already.. we should have taken out Assad years ago, just like NK this is long overdue.
Originally posted by Bladewire
You do know he admitted to Having chemical weapons and promised to dispose of them while also refusing to sign the treaty to do so right? When have Assads fighters ever been bombed with sarin gas by rebels? NEVER
After the previous sarin attack remember Assad bombed the clinic hours later where survivors were being treated. Imagine that, the suffering and pain of the burning suffocation and being lucky enough to make it to a clinic and as you start to open your eyes as the swelling goes down the clinic gets bombed and your arms are blown off while others are dead.
It's you who does not understand how these bombs work. What you described is how it "should" work, not when they are mixing chemicals in a back room of a church or school. Normally such weapons are stored in very specific ways; For example, a modern military wouldn't even store them at or near an airport. But with a rag-tag rebel force, it's not like they have the ability to store them long term "until they are needed". It's completely possible these were rebel weapons, primed to go off, and were exploded during an airstrike.
I fully believe Assad was behind this, but we cannot, under any circumstances, launch missile attacks on foreign countries based on a hunch. We are moving into this too fast - In less than two months Trump has put thousands of US troops on the ground in Syria and now launched a rather large missile strike on the Syrian military. Using our military in Syria is not a simple straight forward matter; There are multiple countries involved, and a dozen groups, some of which are not aligned with the United States and would welcome the opportunity to strike out at US forces.
We need to do this thoughtfully and carefully, and with a plan. Trump clearly does not have a plan. Just a few days ago our Secretary of State told us we had to accept Assad, and now we are bombing him. Trump saw some ugly and horrible footage on the news and suddenly he feels he is responsible and feels the need to do something about it. The reality is Trump might just be moving us towards war in which thousands or tens of thousands of Americans can die.
Okay, since GFY's search function doesn't work, I will concede; but I am not convinced.
No it's true. Canada has misguided hippies who think everything in the news and history books are a lie and a conspiracy and feel it gives them a green light to condemn everything and always be on the right side at the same time.
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