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bobosoft 04-16-2003 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld


Why wouldn't it be worth it? Increasing your income by 50% is quite a bit.

Well, it really depends on the job. In many cases it would not be worth it to me. Ask a person with a $300,000 a year job how much stress they have to deal with on a daily basis. I can think of a lot of things I woudl not do for an extra $50,000 a year.

Serge_Oprano 04-16-2003 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack


And yet Canada has a consistently higher standard of living than the USA!

BAD SOCIALISTS!

:1orglaugh

yeap,
toronto death toll %% wise is bigger than in honk kong...

GOOD SOCIAL MEDECINE!

Libertine 04-16-2003 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by bobosoft


5% unemployment ratio does not mean 5% of this country is unemployed. It means 5% of this country is seeking employment through a government agency.

It's referring to the % of the labor force that's unemployed. I assumed that's counting all adults medically and otherwise capable of working, between the ages of 18 and 65, with the exception of students.
That's how they count it here, anyway.

Libertine 04-16-2003 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by FATPad
Those who work and make very little money need to find a second job or acquire some skills of some kind, and live within their means until they can work their way out. I've lived on a $160/week after taxes, and I went through a hell of a lot of effort just to make that shitty amount of money.

It can be done, you just can't afford to buy a new TV, new car, game systems, new furniture, all the music you want, etc, and you have to do shit like live in crappy places for a while and eat a hell of a lot of chicken and spaghetti because they're cheap.

And before anyone accuses me of making it sound simple, I've done it and my friends have done it. There is no excuse that flies with me for not being able to work your way out of a situation if you really want to.

So you think the people that are working full time but are still living in poverty are lazy? Or that they don't want to work their way out of the situation?

bobosoft 04-16-2003 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld


It's referring to the % of the labor force that's unemployed. I assumed that's counting all adults medically and otherwise capable of working, between the ages of 18 and 65, with the exception of students.
That's how they count it here, anyway.

You reffered to americans. In the USA, the labor force only includes people who are working or actively looking for work. it does not count people capable of working.

FlyingIguana 04-16-2003 01:25 PM

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So the answer is to stop spending. you know how you stop spending? by forcing everyone to spend the same amount in tax (a poll tax if you will)
12clicks i agree with your point here a bit. but the thing isa middle class family is gonna have a very tight budget and if they have to pay more tax you cut consumer spending.

if it wasn't for consumer spending, the US economy would be in a recession.

no government should be talking about half a trillion in tax cuts if they can't balance the budget. if you don't balance the budget, future government's will have to cut programs and raise taxes to pay for poor financial mismanagement.

Libertine 04-16-2003 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by bobosoft


You reffered to americans. In the USA, the labor force only includes people who are working or actively looking for work. it does not count people capable of working.

Odd way of counting, if you ask me. I'll take your word for it though.

jimmyf 04-16-2003 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by MarkTiarra


Has anyone here actually served in the government or worked on government contracts? Lemme tell you that what you will find will twist your fucking head off. If anyone ran a company the way we run our country, they would be in deeper shit than Enron.

I put some of my software in a Landfill in Fresno, CA back in the 1980's. The guy that owned it also owned a Garbage hauling company. Got to remember this was in the early 2 mid 1980's. The system used two (2) printers, so I gave him one (1) box of computer paper ( at this time it cost like 4 or 5 times it does now ). Also this Landfill owner knew nothing about computers, NOT very many people did at that time. He ask me, is this paper worth anything? I told him sure it is and gave him the price I had paid, I forget the cost at that time. Well the IRS has one (1) of there main offices in Fresno, CA. He told me he hauled something like 20 truck loads of it to his dump every year. Now these were BIG Garbage trucks. They just threw it away so they wouldn't loose the money next year, new un-opened box's. I should have ask him what else they threw away NEW stuff.

This is just one VERY small example MarkTiarra posted about.

I could give you some more, but I feel it would be just a big waste of my time and would over TAX my grey matter.:helpme

Oh and yes government contracts, my fucking God I've bidded on 'em and got a few. Most Just 2 fucking funny.

FATPad 04-16-2003 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld


So you think the people that are working full time but are still living in poverty are lazy? Or that they don't want to work their way out of the situation?

All of them? No.

bobosoft 04-16-2003 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld


Odd way of counting, if you ask me. I'll take your word for it though.

Its counted that way so that people who are retired or do not need to work are not counted. If you think about it, counting it that way gives a better picture of our economics. When the economy is starting to turn around the employment rates soemtimes go up. Experts attribute this to people being encouraged by the upturned economy and starting to look for work again.

jimmyf 04-16-2003 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by MarkTiarra



So the economy gets bad and a "liberal" says we better raise taxes cuz there is less money going around... but taking more from people makes them spend less and have less for stocks and the like. So how does that make sense?! The economy is nothing more than the result of psychology. Give people more to spend or make them feel safe about what they might spend and things get kicking.

Simple right. I think so. Give me more money and yes I will spend it, or some of it, or a little of it, or put it a savings,(then the banks have it to loan out). I dam sure can't spend it if I don't have it. Never has and never will compute with me... Tax me more so I can spend more, how does this work? If you put the money back into the system it will get spent one way or another, and it will create jobs (it has to). Never will I understand how I will have more money if I am taxed more.

Even if a tax cut goes only to the rich or very rich IT WILL create jobs, and dam sure don't have a degree from MIT and know it will create jobs. And I'm dam sure not rich, at least not any more.:helpme
Only way it wouldn't is the rich or very rich bury it in there back yards. The money WILL find it's way back into the system.

Also the off shore Corp. shit is going to be cut in due time, been reading about it.

jimmyf 04-16-2003 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks


When I was 18, I was roofing by day and bartending at night but I still understood that making the rich pay more than everyone else was nothing more than state sponsored theft.

When I was 17 I was a sheet rock nailer, 10 hours a day 6 days a week. When I was 18 they were forcing me on to a
Troop Ship at gun Point. And all I cared about was pussy not any dam Taxes.:1orglaugh

jimmyf 04-16-2003 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by bobosoft

Don't you think its a little bit fucked up that you earn $400,000 and keep $200,000 (80% of that 200,000 goes to social programs by the way). I'm sure thats enough to discourage some people.

I might add not one and I repeat NOT ONE
social programs has solved one problem. They just **don't* work with the Gov. running them

MarkTiarra 04-16-2003 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by punkworld


You're saying that if everyone respected democratic decisions there wouldn't be anything but dictatorships left in the world?

Here's how I saw the thread of our conversation:

You suggested that if people don't like America's tax system, they should move elsewhere.

I suggested that you have to stand and fight for what you believe in sometimes or everytime there is an injustice, you'll leave and what political system will be left behind?


If people don't fight for their freedoms what's left? Well dictatorships. That's why I don't argue against anti-war protests and the like. I may not agree but it's the ability to stand and fight for what you believe in that keeps the system of democracy honest.

So how did you get out of that, that I said respecting deomcratic decisions leads to dictatorships? It's NOT respecting what it takes to continually allow people the right to democratic decisions that lead to a world full of dictators. That's a very important distinction.


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