keep the % of each nutrient at normal level.. and then take less calories than you need.. either eat less, or burn more, whichever fits you.


laugh if you want, but the healthiest diet i've ever seen that has been pushed on the media is the subway diet.. here is my version: eat a light breakfast (not fat-free and not more than 400 cal's), take a multi-vitamin pill, drink lots of water during the day, and eat a 6-inch subway meal (including a non-diet drink and the chips) 4-5 hours before you go to bed.. dont eat anything else... i lose about 5-7lbs in a week when i do that without exercising.. and when you get back to a normal eating schedule, those pounds wont come back to you..


you will spend very little time worrying about what to eat, and to get your food (assuming there is a subway in every town).. it would probably apply to any other sub place without huge and greasy sandwiches..


i dont recommend cutting fat either because its what you need to not to feel hungry.. the feeling of being hungry is mostly caused by hormones, and they disappear only if you eat some fat.. otherwise you will feel like starving even after you eat.. it is also important for the intake of non-waterbased vitamins.. many of vitamins cant be absorbed by your body if there is no fat in the food..

Centurion, I second everything that Tala said. Atkins works. I've lost 50 lbs. since the end of July. I stick with a ratio of 65% fat, 30% Protein, and 5% carbs. I would post my latest blood readings here if I had them. I'd be happy to compare mine with you.

Drop the bars, they do stall some people (like me), and they taste like Playdoh anyways. I try to say with whole foods, and none of the pre-packaged stuff. If you must eat them, eat no more than 1/4 bar per day and see if that helps. I also went from drinking a 12-pack of Mt. Dew a day to maybe 1 can of Diet Rite per month.

I have Type 2 diabetes, which is insulin resistance. Low carbing is an excellent way for people with insulin resistance to lose weight. Do you carry most of your weight around your belly and hips? That's where the insulin that turns to fat settles, as in insulin resistance. Both my PCP and my Endo agree with and support low-carbing, in disagreement with the Google-educatd online doctors here.

No, Dr. Atkins did not have a heart attack. He had an infection in his heart, and now he has a seriious head injury. Neither caused by low-carbing.

Atkins has studies to back up all of his claims, just check out the book, he lists them all in detail. You think a balanced diet is the food pyramid? That's the biggest joke of all.

TGF - Show us an example of a food that has 60 grams of carbs and 85 grams of fiber.

What about fruits?:1orglaugh

No, I mean the type that grow on trees! (I AM gay friendly!)
I read where an apple WITH skin on it is about 21 grams of carbs. But i can't find out how many carbs there are in a regular size SKINNED apple. Anyone know?

I keep reading where 1 cup of soymilk is 4-5 grams of carbs..but on the carton, it says 8 grams (unflavored), with 0 grams for diet. So I don't know where these carb counters come up with 4-5 carbs.

Finally, was really suprised to see where a ham and egg omlette (two eggs) was 6.7 grams. Where do all those grams come from?

I wish it was true..but it's not..at least for me. I was on a supervised low fat diet for over 1 year. And yes, it was combined with daily exercise..made almost NO dent in my weight loss.

At least with Atkins, besides losing weight, I've had my blood sugar levels return to normal (I'm type II diabetic), and have a fasting sugar level of 88, and a 5.7% rate. It has even lowered my cholesterol level to under 200, increased the good chol & lowered the bad.

I dont feel like reading the whole thread, but i'll reply to your initial message.

First, give up the atkins or carbolite bars. There is some resistance for some people to the gliceryn used in them.

Secondly, what the hell are yuo doing eating fat free cheese? One, that stuff tastes horrible, and two, you can have the real thing!

If you are looking for a "lower fat" version of atkins, try a program called body for life.

Allison..what is it exactly IN these bars that you object to..or think helps stall weight loss? The reason I ask is that Atkin's own site really goes out of it's way to promote those same bars!

As StacyCat mentioned, the bars have glycerine in them, and that is known to stall some people. It stalls me. I don't "object" to them, I simply recommend against them :)

The single thing that disappoints me about the Atkins-machine is the product line they push. You don't need any of the products to successfully low-carb, but many people do eat the bars with no ill effects. I'm just not one of them. Try checking out the forums at www.lowcarbfriends.com - especially the "Lobby".

Try a week or 2 without the bars, and see if that breaks your stall.

Thanks for the link..was wondering if there were forums like that.

Yep, we even had our own version of Pathfinder there recently-there's drama everywhere! :)

http://www.low-carb-friends.com/bbs/...threadid=84745

Beware of that diet. As soos as you put carbs back in your diet ans stop excersing you blow up like a house

Go to any nursing home and tell me how many fat people you see.

A "DUH!" for you!:321GFY

And a "DUH DUH" for you!

WHAT CAN U POSSIBLY DO TO BURN 5000 CALORIES A DAY?

I have tried to get in shape in did it in 2 months without any stupid diet.

I tried the diet thing and is bs (not atkins).
Went from 201lb to 178lb in like 4 weeks.

I just go to the gym 6 days a week and eat a bit less. Thats it! And I eat what I want, and have a few drinks from time to time.

BTW,

Have you ever seen those commercials for donations to 3rd world countries? Those ppl are starving and not one of them is fat....


Try that diet, don't eat for like a week, just drink water, and u will drop those pounds no prob. :1orglaugh

i think that people get frustrated sometimes because they confuse a lot of the initial weight loss as being fat when in is fact it is half or more from dehydration of your body. water is very heavy. thats why you lose weight fast in two weeks and then it slows. it creates a wrong picture and wrong expectations. atkins also does not address this in any way to my knowledge or even talk about it.

when you deplete glycogen stores (stored sugar) in your muscle, you also dehydrate your muscles and your body since water is stored in conjunction with that sugar. i think the number is something like 4:1. meaning that for every gram of glycogen in your muscles, your body stores 4 grams of water. so fairly significant dehydration can occur in the first few weeks.

thats why you also will most likely be constipated because your body attempts to scavenge water from your bowels.

if you are interested more in the physiology of how the diet works... read this book "the ketogenic diet" by Lyle McDonald. if you are interested in a short explanation of the physiology behind it read here http://low-carb.org/lylemcd/cyclic1.htm (but not that this is a different variation of the diet which is explained)

most likely, if you hit a plateau or stopped losing weight, it is because your body is starting to react to the diet and the sudden drop in body fat and is trying to adapt or because you ate too much carbs one day. remember that fat is also very heavy and takes a long time to process. you could just have a bunch of poo inside you also :)

the most common reason for me to stop losing weight if/when i do this, is that i start drinking too much diet pepsi. i think the citric acid (is an artificial sweetner) causes it and i am very sure that caffein does not as Atkins suggests. if i stop drinking everything and start drinking only water for a couple days, its fine again.

eating a lot of fat is important as well for your body to burn fat in this manner. you should not be eating "fat free" anything because that defeats the very process at work. having a very low ratio of fat to protein could be why your body would react as well and try to protect fat stores.

you should not get impatient or frustrated... just be consistent and exercise and everything will be ok.

you are doing the right thing about trying to get information. dont listen to people. talking about nutrition is often no more useful than debating abortion or global politics with most people. i would recommend that you just try to read as much as you can from as many sources you can and make your own decisions about what works and what doesn't for you.

I'm on your side homey, read my post again. You won't find any fat people in a freaking nursing home because they're all dead allready!

Hence, if eating a low carb hi fat diet works for you and makes you thin chances are you wont die prematurely and you will end up in a nice nursing home someday pnching nurses asses!

Hokay..can I pinch yours now?:Graucho

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water is very heavy. thats why you lose weight fast in two weeks and then it slows. it creates a wrong picture and wrong expectations. atkins also does not address this in any way to my knowledge or even talk about it.
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I truly do appreciate informed & intelligent people like yourself that take the time to write out such a well thought out message. You and a few others should pat yourselves on the back!

Now, as for water..actually Atkins & the gang DO address that and advise drinking a LOT of water (I don't know if they give out any minimum amounts or not.). I know I do drink a lot..and constipation is not something I've had with this diet. In fact, quite the opposite..very regular type of guy!
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most likely, if you hit a plateau or stopped losing weight, it is because your body is starting to react to the diet and the sudden drop in body fat and is trying to adapt or because you ate too much carbs one day. remember that fat is also very heavy and takes a long time to process. you could just have a bunch of poo inside you also :)

Hey..are you saying I'm full of IT!? grin
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the most common reason for me to stop losing weight if/when i do this, is that i start drinking too much diet pepsi. i think the citric acid (is an artificial sweetner) causes it and i am very sure that caffein does not as Atkins suggests. if i stop drinking everything and start drinking only water for a couple days, its fine again.

ya..though a couple of long time Atkin's folks say they drink a lot of diet pop and still manage to lose the weight..of course, almost anything & everything is different for everyone. That's why I'm trying the Da Vinci syrups & club soda. Quite tasty actually.

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you should not get impatient or frustrated... just be consistent and exercise and everything will be ok.

I'm not really all that frustrated..more like puzzled and with anything new, am in the learning process. But I've already had great results in my blood glucose levels & cholesterol, so I'm not at all unhappy.

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Cent,

I was making a broad statement saying fuck atkins. :) It was meant for the lazy who want a quick fix in weight lose.

atkins has helped a lot of people and has had the opposite effect also.

My advice to anyone checking out atkins is GO TO YOUR DOCTOR FIRST or read up on nutrition.

My neighbor started atkins and had a mini stroke (hes only 38 and thasts young.) too much protein for his system.

everyones body is different and any sudden radical change in eating habits have a profound effect on the body and shouldnt be taken lightly.

How can too much protein cause a stroke?

swim over 10 miles plus another hour of dryland practising.

I dont know, but in his case thats whats caused it.

I would just ask your own doctor.