1988 Bernie sounds like 2016 Brenie !

[VRPdommy]

No finger in the wind here !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAcQmfZJDwM

More...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3NKvvxcSs

[GFED]

[bronco67]

If someone can't tell that Bernie is the real deal, then they don't know people.

If someone voted for Donald Trump because they believed one fucking word that snake oil salesman said, then they also don't know people.

[galleryseek]

Bernie, the socialist who paid 13% in taxes compared to Trump's 25%.

Bernie definitely is the real deal, too bad socialism is horrendous.

You know who also was the real deal, except with ideas that didn't suck? Ron Fuckin Paul.

[crockett]

Sanders had is issues but he was 100% for the people and this country. He was the guy that should be the potus.

[galleryseek]

Originally Posted by crockett

Sanders had is issues but he was 100% for the people and this country. He was the guy that should be the potus.

I don't give a shit how much he's for the people, not when his methods would turn us into Venezuela.

[baddog]

25+ years and he hasn't grown

[crockett]

Originally Posted by galleryseek

I don't give a shit how much he's for the people, not when his methods would turn us into Venezuela.

Oh BS... He was for getting people affordable educations, healthcare and raising wages to match inflation.. You need to stop listening to right wing extremism news sites..

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by galleryseek

Bernie, the socialist who paid 13% in taxes compared to Trump's 25%.

I dare you to prove that !

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by galleryseek

I don't give a shit how much he's for the people, not when his methods would turn us into Venezuela.

What methods were those ? Explain with data.

[VRPdommy]

Someone needs to teach What Socialism, Democracy and Social Democracy is.
Must not be getting that in school anymore.
The US military is a form of Socialism.
Unemployment Compensation, Social Security, US National Park Service are all forms of Socialism.

If they are acceptable, why not Health Care ?
Some make it sound like a Communist plot to destroy America... LOL...



But I will remind everyone who learned or has the ability to learn that the same conditions exist today in the US that created the Communist Revolution overseas.
So get a grip on your history or allow it to repeat itself with your blessing.

[VRPdommy]

Yet one more history lesson for those that do not know.
Answer to yourself what this song is actually about.
I am sure there is plenty of help on the internet if you need it.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I dare you to prove that !

Here is the story on Bernie's taxes from The Huffington Post. There are plenty of other stories out there, but I picked a liberal media source so there would be no question.
Sanders took a shit ton of deductions (including eating lunch) and ended up paying 13.9%

I don't blame him at all. But it is hypocritical when he claims to be a Socialist:

Bernie Sanders Tax Return Sheds Light On Candidates Finances | The Huffington Post

Trump on the other hand in the leaked 2005 tax return paid 25% after deductions and wrote a nice check of $38 million dollars for that years tax on his net income.

Don't kill the messenger.

[Barry-xlovecam]

And the story never seems to change for the better really ...

[Robbie]

Two of the best rock guitarists ever right there.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Here is the story on Bernie's taxes from The Huffington Post. There are plenty of other stories out there, but I picked a liberal media source so there would be no question.
Sanders took a shit ton of deductions (including eating lunch) and ended up paying 13.9%

I don't blame him at all. But it is hypocritical when he claims to be a Socialist:

Bernie Sanders Tax Return Sheds Light On Candidates Finances | The Huffington Post

Trump on the other hand in the leaked 2005 tax return paid 25% after deductions and wrote a nice check of $38 million dollars for that years tax on his net income.

Don't kill the messenger.

It's easy to say that when you are cheating on the report of how much money you make and filter much of it through non-profit organizations that you derive personal benefit from.

Trump 2005 Tax Return May Have Understated Salary By Millions | Fortune.com

BTW... I make less than 100k and pay over 25% and can't afford a tax shelter or a few personal non-profit org's to benefit me.
Am I subsidizing his enjoyment of the American Dream ?
https://taxfoundation.org/2016-tax-brackets/

Taxation is fundamental to Democratic Socialism.
But every-time we give the very well to do a tax break in the promise of jobs, we get less jobs and are asked to pay more for Military and subsidies to corporate farming. Socialism works very well for the corporate world but not for me.
I pay for the roads they use to ship their products around and the military to defend their bad deeds overseas.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Here is the story on Bernie's taxes from The Huffington Post. There are plenty of other stories out there, but I picked a liberal media source so there would be no question.
Sanders took a shit ton of deductions (including eating lunch) and ended up paying 13.9%

I don't blame him at all. But it is hypocritical when he claims to be a Socialist:

Bernie Sanders Tax Return Sheds Light On Candidates Finances | The Huffington Post

Trump on the other hand in the leaked 2005 tax return paid 25% after deductions and wrote a nice check of $38 million dollars for that years tax on his net income.

Don't kill the messenger.

As usual Robbie is full of shit and taking a single example to make his case.

1st off Sanders has not used his position in govt to enrich himself at cost to the tax payers like 99% of all other congressmen do. You know like Trump is doing by charging the US govt money to house the secret service at the Trump Tower to protect his wife who wont live at the white house.. Just like he charges them in his FL resort as well..(this is all 100% legit for Robbie because cutting wasteful spending is only something Robbie whines about if he's Democrats doing it)

2nd that was 1 year of his returns. He use deductions just like anyone would and claiming that makes him a hypocrite is beyond dishonest..

As for Trump we actually have a few years of Trump's tax returns but of course you only focus on 1.. In one yes he paid 25% (1 year) and $38 million which yes is a lot of money.

However we all know Trump makes use of off shore tax havens and if we had a "real" accounting to his "real" income that wasn't hidden behind 500 different corporations then I'd bet he paid closer to Bernie's 13%..

As I mentioned, we have more records from Trump and the other ones showed he paid "zero" dollars in taxes.. The previous records were from the 70's & the 90's. In the 70's it was shown he paid no taxes at all. In the 95 he submitted a $915 million loss. Meaning he didn't pay taxes in 1995 and most likely several years beyond that.

Trump's 25% for that 1 year is likely the "most" he's ever paid and it's very likely he specifically leaked that single bit of tax information himself to get people like you to buy into his BS..


The only "FAIR" tax system is a use tax.. Meaning you should only get taxed on money you spend and everyone is the same rate. No way to dodge that other than not spending and that's exactly why that system is not used, because it would hurt the economy.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

It's easy to say that when you are cheating on the report of how much money you make and filter much of it through non-profit organizations that you derive personal benefit from.

Trump 2005 Tax Return May Have Understated Salary By Millions | Fortune.com

BTW... I make less than 100k and pay over 25% and can't afford a tax shelter or a few personal non-profit org's to benefit me.
Am I subsidizing his enjoyment of the American Dream ?
https://taxfoundation.org/2016-tax-brackets/

Taxation is fundamental to Democratic Socialism.
But every-time we give the very well to do a tax break in the promise of jobs, we get less jobs and are asked to pay more for Military and subsidies to corporate farming. Socialism works very well for the corporate world but not for me.
I pay for the roads they use to ship their products around and the military to defend their bad deeds overseas.

Number one...not sure what you said in your first sentence has anything to do with Sanders writing off his lunches and deducting everything he possibly could to keep his taxes down.
Especially when he wants to tax all of us MORE and pay for everyone to go to college for free and go to the doctor for free.

And if you are paying more than 25%...then you must have no deductions and no dependents..or a really bad accountant.

I've paid a lot of money in taxes over the years...but I've never, EVER paid 25%. I couldn't even imagine writing a check to the Feds for 1/4 of everything I made.

Don't get me wrong...with sales tax, property tax, FICA, etc. etc. I pay way more than 50% in different ways to different Federal, State, and local taxes.

But to the IRS? Hell no. You need a new accountant....or stop doing your taxes at H & R Block.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Number one...not sure what you said in your first sentence has anything to do with Sanders writing off his lunches and deducting everything he possibly could to keep his taxes down.
Especially when he wants to tax all of us MORE and pay for everyone to go to college for free and go to the doctor for free.

And if you are paying more than 25%...then you must have no deductions and no dependents..or a really bad accountant.

I've paid a lot of money in taxes over the years...but I've never, EVER paid 25%. I couldn't even imagine writing a check to the Feds for 1/4 of everything I made.

Don't get me wrong...with sales tax, property tax, FICA, etc. etc. I pay way more than 50% in different ways to different Federal, State, and local taxes.

But to the IRS? Hell no. You need a new accountant....or stop doing your taxes at H & R Block.

I work for a living with No dependents.
And H&R block was one of my customers. But I have never been one of theirs.
I have seen a lot of tax filings over the years. I am quite certain more of them than you.

And if it is the last thing I do in life,
It will be to see that nobody is afforded a deduction not available to everyone on personal taxes.

A flat rate tax with deductions for dependents as well as a personal exemption
so that nobody pays one penny on their first 15k and 4k higher with each dependent.
And the next 10k is taxed at a 50%rate. All of this is enjoyed by everyone.

Everyone enjoys the low end and everyone pay's the same for higher amounts.
Then there is less chance for discrimination and cheating under the code.

Justice starts with the tax code. Anything less is discrimination.

It seems like we are headed back to the times you had to own property to vote. And some folks only counted as 3/5ths of a person when voting and that 3/5ths vote was cast by their owner. And that is US history, not some 3rd world nation.

Much of the tax code is to make some feel content with the way things are.
If you feel like you are getting away with something, you don't make waves.

[Robbie]

That's quite a leap you are making there VRPdommy.

I don't think that Bernie Sanders paying 13.9% in taxes is going to cause the return of slavery as you insinuated.

Yes, if you are going to proclaim yourself a socialist and demand that people who produce pay for people who don't...then you might want to NOT take excessive deductions and instead give ALL of your money to the govt.

But he didn't do that.
Doesn't mean that the world is coming to an end.
Just means he's a politician. Which equals "hypocrite".

As for how many tax forms you've seen. Good for you.

I've only seen my own. And I really don't care about anyone else's. But I do know that nobody with half a brain wants to pay MORE in taxes than they absolutely have to.

I'd rather keep the money I earned and spend it on my family. I don't mind paying in, but not one penny more than I have to.

On that...Bernie Sanders and I are in lockstep agreement.