I have become a Macintosh evangalist

[Probono]

I have had my 17" powerbook for less than a week and I am sold. Using virtual PC I am running Windows Apps that I cannot abandon and they run just as well as they did in Windows 2000 on a Dell. Everything that runs on OS X runs beautifully and I am slowly moving data into native Mac applications.

What a beautiful computer.

I made the switch and the press is right.

[Digipimp]

Hell yeah we got another convert. Please believe! PC people macs are the shit.

Steady Pimpin

Yeah, let's buy a Mac to emulate a PC, good times, good times.

[bhutocracy]

wheres that hand flapping image?

[bhutocracy]

mac evangelists remind me of people that go to startrek conventions.
whoah, you use a mac. I say tom-ar-toe you say tom-ay-toe.. blah blah.

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
mac evangelists remind me of people that go to startrek conventions.
whoah, you use a mac. I say tom-ar-toe you say tom-ay-toe.. blah blah.

Funny thing is all those goofy ass Star Trek convention people are generally PC users, so what's that tell you about the crowd you run with?

Originally posted by Digipimp


Funny thing is all those goofy ass Star Trek convention people are generally PC users, so what's that tell you about the crowd you run with?

You don't get what bhutocracy tried to imply, now do you?

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Equinox



You don't get what bhutocracy tried to imply, now do you?

it's fun poking the mac cultists

Originally posted by bhutocracy


it's fun poking the mac cultists

no shiat.

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by Equinox



You don't get what bhutocracy tried to imply, now do you?

I totally get what he's saying, and I was making fun of the type of people that are PC people.

As far as making fun of "mac cultists" it's all good man, it's all in fun and If you ever took the time to learn about a mac and put it to work for you on a daily basis you might enjoy it too, but if you're happy with your PC and Windows, then that's great.

Originally posted by Digipimp


I totally get what he's saying, and I was making fun of the type of people that are PC people.

As far as making fun of "mac cultists" it's all good man, it's all in fun and If you ever took the time to learn about a mac and put it to work for you on a daily basis you might enjoy it too, but if you're happy with your PC and Windows, then that's great.

Enjoy it, it's certainly a great machine.

[RedShoe]

Originally posted by Digipimp


I totally get what he's saying, and I was making fun of the type of people that are PC people.

As far as making fun of "mac cultists" it's all good man, it's all in fun and If you ever took the time to learn about a mac and put it to work for you on a daily basis you might enjoy it too, but if you're happy with your PC and Windows, then that's great.

I used a Crapintosh for 3 years. I'll never go back. NEVER!

[Pornwolf]

(Definitely not a PC user)

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Digipimp

As far as making fun of "mac cultists" it's all good man, it's all in fun and If you ever took the time to learn about a mac and put it to work for you on a daily basis you might enjoy it too, but if you're happy with your PC and Windows, then that's great.

ja it's all fun and games.. i've worked extensively on both, I was even thinking about getting a G4 till I used a couple and was totally underwhelmed. The laptops are nice, but in the end it's just personal preference - you spend the same amount on a mac or a PC and you're going to be happy either way depending on what you like, I much prefer a PC... If I was more heavily involved in video editing, and wanted to start doing music videos or something I'd consider maybe picking up a media 100 system at auction from some belly-up dotcom. Till then my firebird GL will do.

[Fletch XXX]

im tired of even trying to defend mac.

for me, mac is my pro audio choice, i wont argue anymore, i dont care what you guys run.

i use both. but for professional audio, the choice is clear.

with 32 tracks of digital audio running at once, I trust only a mac.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
im tired of even trying to defend mac.

for me, mac is my pro audio choice, i wont argue anymore, i dont care what you guys run.

i use both. but for professional audio, the choice is clear.

with 32 tracks of digital audio running at once, I trust only a mac.

I need to get protools. Im using 100MB zip disks on a Boss BR8.. bleh.

[Fletch XXX]

i ws just editing audio on a g4 running pro tools playing with new plug ins.

ive posted a pic of the mac before.

the case this mac sits in cost more than a pc.

<img src=http://www.overmindesign.com/images/mac.jpg border="1">

the unit can be rented out by the day for 500 bucks, my only argument for mac now is, show me someone renting out a PC Pro Tools rig for 500 a day.

here is a mac one.

2 180 gig hard drives seated in foam, ATA approves flight case on wheels, holds the monitor, Line 6 Bass Pod, and Line 6 red pod, a power conditioner, maximizer, all on wheels. flight approved.

[Fletch XXX]

the same mac being used to record a band in a studio.

<img src=http://overmindesign.com/images/studio4.jpg border="1">

my engineer friend is controlling it.

[Ludedude]

Well Fletch, at least you're in a studio, not like some of the wannabe "g" rappers on this board.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
i ws just editing audio on a g4 running pro tools playing with new plug ins.

ive posted a pic of the mac before.

the case this mac sits in cost more than a pc.

<img src=http://www.overmindesign.com/images/mac.jpg border="1">

the unit can be rented out by the day for 500 bucks, my only argument for mac now is, show me someone renting out a PC Pro Tools rig for 500 a day.

here is a mac one.

2 180 gig hard drives seated in foam, ATA approves flight case on wheels, holds the monitor, Line 6 Bass Pod, and Line 6 red pod, a power conditioner, maximizer, all on wheels. flight approved.

yeah.. but the fact is, it's not just a mac, it's a mac and a shitload of audio editing equipment, the platform isn't that relevant other than that macs still have a stronghold in the audio/visual field and more people looking to rent that equipment are going to be mac users, it doesn't infer superiority. Just because I could spend 50k putting a PC MAYA system together and making it rentable to 3d editors, doesn't make a PC the superior platform either, you could spend that much and have an awesome mac 3d system, but 3d animators are less likely to hire that because they're used to using NT/win2k/SGI's with winOS.

You're getting into the "i've spent a buttload on a system so it's better" argument when if I spent the same amount on a PC system it would be just as good, and vice versa.

[Fletch XXX]

?

not true. im not arguing a price, im just poking fun at the pro-pc people. as I said, I use both. not bragging about price hahaha thats the last thing id brag about.

the protools system is the sole recorder in this situation.

the board is a Trident Series 80, with vintage Neve Preamps.

but regardless, the mac is rolled in, mics are set up, the guys get in their rooms and play their parts, its fed through the mixer only then recorded into seperate tracks,.

the rest of the gear have nothing to do with it.

the mac is the center of it all.

[Fletch XXX]

here you want the full specs of the room?

http://rumborecorders.com/studioc.html

some of it has changed since then obviously.

heres a wide view of the room.

<img src=http://www.overmindesign.com/images/studio3.jpg border="1">

if I wanted to brag, id talk about the 2 inch analog tape machine on the right that was used to record Appetitie For Destruction, and Megadeths Rust In Peace. ;)

this thing cost more than your house.

<img src=http://www.overmindesign.com/images/studio1.jpg border="1">

Hans Studer 24 track 2 inch analog.

yum.

[Fletch XXX]

bro all i care about is the music.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
?

not true. im not arguing a price, im just poking fun at the pro-pc people. as I said, I use both. not bragging about price hahaha thats the last thing id brag about.

the protools system is the sole recorder in this situation.

the board is a Trident Series 80, with vintage Neve Preamps.

but regardless, the mac is rolled in, mics are set up, the guys get in their rooms and play their parts, its fed through the mixer only then recorded into seperate tracks,.

the rest of the gear have nothing to do with it.

the mac is the center of it all.

I'm not saying you're bragging, I'm just saying put a good PC at the center of it and thats a system I, and many, many others would love to have.

[Fletch XXX]

and all im saying is, my engineers who go through training are NOT taught on a PC.

i have more engineer friends than i do drunks.

and they are certified, and they are all schooled on

MOTU's Digital Petrformer for MIDI< and Mac ProTools for hard recording.

i got a buddy about to get certified right now, and there were no PCs in the music school bro.

engineers are trained on a mac, period,. I dont care what consumers prefer.

PROSUMERS choose mac. I know you know both, and prefer flash with a PC, but im talking audio, 2 very very different things.

i can remember using Atari ST because of the hardwired MIDI, i have been involved with electronic music production for years. and know what folks are trained on, I have worked in studios from Hollywood to New Orleans, and it was all mac, if I had ONLY known PC, i would NOT have landed the jobs.

period, not arguing which is better, just what is used in the studio.

mostly do to its power, reliability, and smooth running.

thats all i know bro.

[Digipimp]

I'll still take the mac cause I'm a fucking MacPimp!

[Fletch XXX]

i love mac, but i will say the MIDI ppq resolution of the Atari 520 st was top notch back in the day.

i used to make music on these yo.

<img src=http://www.i-m.de/home/compmuseum/atari/520st.jpg border="1">

hardwired midi.

why did they stop?

hahah

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by bhutocracy


I'm not saying you're bragging, I'm just saying put a good PC at the center of it and thats a system I, and many, many others would love to have.

they just started making protools for pc users.

it was MAC ONLY for yeeeears.

[Fletch XXX]

digital performer is still mac only.

<img src=http://www.motu.com/english/software/dp/dp3/images/mixer_full.gif border="1">

[fletcher]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
i ws just editing audio on a g4 running pro tools playing with new plug ins.

ive posted a pic of the mac before.

the case this mac sits in cost more than a pc.

<img src=http://www.overmindesign.com/images/mac.jpg border="1">

the unit can be rented out by the day for 500 bucks, my only argument for mac now is, show me someone renting out a PC Pro Tools rig for 500 a day.

here is a mac one.

2 180 gig hard drives seated in foam, ATA approves flight case on wheels, holds the monitor, Line 6 Bass Pod, and Line 6 red pod, a power conditioner, maximizer, all on wheels. flight approved.

I used to have almost the same setup. Firewire MOTU, dual G4, Line 6 POD, tube preamp, Roland V-drums and V-synth for guitar, and a bunch of other crap. Great setup.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
and all im saying is, my engineers who go through training are NOT taught on a PC.

i have more engineer friends than i do drunks.

and they are certified, and they are all schooled on

MOTU's Digital Petrformer for MIDI< and Mac ProTools for hard recording.

i got a buddy about to get certified right now, and there were no PCs in the music school bro.

engineers are trained on a mac, period,. I dont care what consumers prefer.

PROSUMERS choose mac. I know you know both, and prefer flash with a PC, but im talking audio, 2 very very different things.

i can remember using Atari ST because of the hardwired MIDI, i have been involved with electronic music production for years. and know what folks are trained on, I have worked in studios from Hollywood to New Orleans, and it was all mac, if I had ONLY known PC, i would NOT have landed the jobs.

period, not arguing which is better, just what is used in the studio.

mostly do to its power, reliability, and smooth running.

thats all i know bro.

thats exactly what I'm saying, theres inbred platform dependence, not intrinsic superiority - it's the same in design and video - mac was the first platform to cater to the professionals in that area so there is inbred platform dependence as the same people teaching, writing syllabuses and buying the training equipment in university learnt on macs - it doesn't matter that a PC can do the exact same thing - they're going to be teaching on macs, I went through design college on macs, but had a PC at home - If I wanted to get something printed back then it was sometimes impossible to find a print shop that could even handle a PC disk, and if I wanted a design job in an advertising/print firm I would have had to work on a mac.
When I lectured for 2 years at a design college I had to lecture to students using macs, because that's the platform thats traditionally been used, It's mac's market share.
However, just because most people use them, it doesn't mean that it's inherently the best platform, it's just what people have invested in and been taught to use.

Thats why 3d has come the other way, professional 3d started on PC's and SGI's not macs, so the 3d industry has an inbred dependency on that platform. it's not to say a mac can't do just as good a job, it's just that it's PC's and SGI's that everyone else uses. The 3d "Prosumer" doesn't choose mac.. but if 10%-20% of them did, it doesn't make them less "professional" they're either in a situation where other people's platforms don't affect them or they're using their personal preference. Either way their jobs are going to get done just as well.

what other people use, to me, is not a good reason to base my purchasing decisions on. The company I'm setting up at the moment is going to be all PC - all video/audio/design/html/streaming is to be done on that platform.. it could easily be done on a mac, but i prefer it this way. the whole issue kinda gets the big *shrug* from me, im not applying for a job as a junior mac operator in an advertising company and having to use quark, im not going to university studying sound engineering.
The programs and my personal preference are what is important to me not the platform.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


they just started making protools for pc users.

it was MAC ONLY for yeeeears.

yeah I know, vice versa with MAYA which was PC for years.

which is why theres no point for me to get a mac to do audio anymore.

[bobosoft]

I like macs, I think they are very well made. They are less buggy, easier for the novice, and more effiecent than PCs. Unfortunately though, there is not enough competition driving them. And besides that, motorola needs to get their shit together. They have to put two 1GHZ G4's in one PC and charge you 5 grand so they can compete with 3GHZ pentiums that cost 2 grand. It seems like like PC's jump 200Mhz everytime macs jump 100mhz. And who wants to use a version of internet explorer that one version behind what everybody else has. I don't play games, but if I did and I used a mac id be screwed their too. Also, there is no good easy and popular programming language like visual basic on macs. That sucks because you don't have everybody and there brother programming shareware. Good luck finding a TGP submitter or some random program that overlays text on images or whatever other random shit you need that you know somebody on a pc made. I suppose you could emulate it but then you stuck with the same shitty, buggy windows software that you were trying to get away from in the first place. Good machine - mad marketplace.

[KRL]

Tell ya one thing, Macs definitely blow PC's away on styling. They are really cool looking these days.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by bobosoft
I like macs, I think they are very well made. They are less buggy, easier for the novice, and more effiecent than PCs. Unfortunately though, there is not enough competition driving them. And besides that, motorola needs to get their shit together. They have to put two 1GHZ G4's in one PC and charge you 5 grand so they can compete with 3GHZ pentiums that cost 2 grand. It seems like like PC's jump 200Mhz everytime macs jump 100mhz. And who wants to use a version of internet explorer that one version behind what everybody else has. I don't play games, but if I did and I used a mac id be screwed their too. Also, there is no good easy and popular programming language like visual basic on macs. That sucks because you don't have everybody and there brother programming shareware. Good luck finding a TGP submitter or some random program that overlays text on images or whatever other random shit you need that you know somebody on a pc made. I suppose you could emulate it but then you stuck with the same shitty, buggy windows software that you were trying to get away from in the first place. Good machine - mad marketplace.

intel chips are less efficient, the actual MHZ doesn't mean that much, the performance speed to price ratio is what is important.

[Fletch XXX]

i dont base what i use on what others use.

i use what i like man.

i like mac for audio.

i do graphics and internet on pc.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by KRL
Tell ya one thing, Macs definitely blow PC's away on styling. They are really cool looking these days.

except the guy that designed those round mice needs to be shot in the face, and the cubes had to be recalled because static in the air turned them on and off because they had that little metal touch switch to turn it on.
A lot of it is cool looking but it sucks to have to deal with style over substance.

[smut4all]

I just went on ebay to check out prices for a mac and I'm no expert but this seems to be really really cheap.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=14 912

[badmunchkin]

I started on Macs, I've worked with many Macs (I've been a graphic designer for some time & every position where I was working for someone else they always had that old "Mac is better for graphics" theory). Guess what, that's not the case anymore. When I switched to PC, I was so happy, everything finally made sense, when I worked on MAC it seemed like their OS was designed by a crazy person. All the Macs I've worked on locked up constantly, software was hard to find & twice as expensive, support was a joke & god forbid if you needed a repair, you need to go Bumfuck, Nowhere to find an authorized Mac repair shop. The PC I'm working on now is faster & doesn't ever lock up. It kicks ass! Not only do I use it for graphics but I also do pro audio recording & there's a huge movement of studios who are converting from the out-of-date, slower Mac Protools set-up to PC-based Vegas, Sonar, Soundforge & Cubase. It's a much better audio rig IMO + a Protools system will run you about $10-20,000 at least & I put my PC digital audio workstation together for about $2000. Yea, Protools was the only game in town 10 years ago but I've used Protools & I've seen Protools experts at work & I work faster on my PC & get the same results & better! Check out prorec.com, it's a huge community of converts to PC-based DAW's. Make the switch - to PC!!!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by smut4all
I just went on ebay to check out prices for a mac and I'm no expert but this seems to be really really cheap.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=14 912

the people thaqt complain about the price of mac just go on what theyve heard. or cant afford it. ;)


the prices have dropped tremendously.

[bhutocracy]

I like those mac widescreen LCD monitors..fuckyeah.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by badmunchkin
Not only do I use it for graphics but I also do pro audio recording & there's a huge movement of studios who are converting from the out-of-date, slower Mac Protools set-up to PC-based Vegas, Sonar, Soundforge & Cubase. It's a much better audio rig IMO + a Protools system will run you about $10-20,000 at least & I put my PC digital audio workstation together for about $2000. Yea, Protools was the only game in town 10 years ago but I've used Protools & I've seen Protools experts at work & I work faster on my PC & get the same results & better! Check out prorec.com, it's a huge community of converts to PC-based DAW's. Make the switch - to PC!!!

guys recording their friends in their apartment is not pro audio.

hahaha

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


the people thaqt complain about the price of mac just go on what theyve heard. or cant afford it. ;)


the prices have dropped tremendously.

thats a second hand ebay auction.

but yeah they have dropped, they aren't crazy like 4 years ago.

[bobosoft]

Originally posted by bhutocracy


intel chips are less efficient, the actual MHZ doesn't mean that much, the performance speed to price ratio is what is important.

They are indeed less effeicent per MHZ but they are not 3 times as effecient (which would be required for 1GHZ g4 to keep up with a 3GHZ P4). As far as price/performance goes the PC undeniably holds the value crown. Take a look at the benchmark comarision below and you'll see what I mean.

[bobosoft]

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2...w_macvspc2.htm

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


guys recording their friends in their apartment is not pro audio.

hahaha

no but i think we'll see a slow grass-roots shift away from mac dependence in those areas... decades slow though.

[badmunchkin]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


guys recording their friends in their apartment is not pro audio.

hahaha

While I'm not a "pro" studio & don't claim to be, I can get a damn good recording here at my home. It's all about the sound isn't it? Or are you just using Protools for bragging rights? And as I said there is a movement of professional studios who use PC-based recording now, have million dollar studios & choose not to go MAC. I'm sure you're aware that Protools isn't the only game in town anymore.

[Fletch XXX]

sp what here's techtv claiming a Mac 733 beating a pentium 4 1.8 benchmark tests are bullshit.

http://www.techtv.com/news/story/0,2...339307,00.html

[Ludedude]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
I like those mac widescreen LCD monitors..fuckyeah.

Um yeah. Have you ever actually looked at the stats on those monitors? Low contrast ratios and poor brightness compared to other name brand LCD monitors. Granted, the widescreen format is interesting, but not at the expense of image quality.

[bobosoft]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
sp what here's techtv claiming a Mac 733 beating a pentium 4 1.8 benchmark tests are bullshit.

http://www.techtv.com/news/story/0,2...339307,00.html

If you read that article carefully, youll see the PC beat the mac in 5 out of 6 tests.