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bhutocracy · 04-15-2003, 06:49 AM

Apple Switch
Prediction: Apple Computer Corp. will switch to Intel processors within the next 12 to 18 months.

The story starts with January's Intel sales conference. The surprise keynote speaker was Steve Jobs. And then, in the front row of Steve Jobs's keynote address at the last Macworld Expo were top Intel executives. Shortly thereafter, Pixar announced that it would become an Intel shop. That was all step one. Step two is coming.

Apple has been concerned about Motorola dragging its heels in the processor wars and failing to achieve clock speeds that are even half of what AMD and Intel are achieving. Apple has attempted to rationalize clock-speed issues, but the company knows that it cannot do this forever. Worse is the feud between Motorola and Apple, which began after Apple suddenly pulled the plug on the license it gave Motorola to clone the Mac.

Change is good. Apple has a unique ability to get away with changing processors radically. It has used the 6502, then the 68K, and now the PowerPC. Each transition happened almost flawlessly. On the PC side of the fence, no Z-80 maker survived even the transition to the 8080. Apple has also cultivated a fanatical following, who have long since accepted the fact that Apple eschews long-term backward compatibility. The legacy concept does not hold the power over Apple users that it does in the PC universe.

Apple's only concern is cannibalization. It cannot change architectures with a pipeline full of PowerPC products. So expect a slow transition that will start with the high-end workstations. Apple's concern is that Motorola may muddy the situation, so Jobs will have to convince Motorola and customers that the PowerPC will not be phased out but will remain as part of a dual-processor architecture.

Scenario. Apple will announce its Intel initiative by showing a transition machine that uses both the Intel and Motorola processors. "So current Mac owners will not have to worry." This will be a high-end machine optimized to run Photoshop. Apple is adept at creating dual-processor architectures, so this won't be too radical. We've heard rumors of this kind of scenario for some time, under the code name Marklar.

Itanium. What will be radical is the company's choice of processor. Apple will announce its use of the Itanium chip, which can be used in such a multiprocessor design and will become the first desktop use of the chip. The choice of the Itanium is suggested by four factors. First, there is zero evidence that Apple is talking to AMD?and it would if it were staying with the x86 legacy chips. Second, Apple likes to make jazzy announcements in which it claims to be the first or the most aggressive in a market. The Itanium fills the bill perfectly, because Jobs can lord it over current PC makers with all sorts of performance claims.

Third, if Apple optimizes the OS X kernel for the Itanium, the likelihood of the Apple OS being ripped off by normal PC users is nil. And finally, by choosing the Itanium, Apple will have an ally in Intel, who will put its design team to work for Apple and perhaps even invest in the company, knowing AMD is not in the picture.

The Apple switch cannot be just a short-term fix for the megahertz dilemma. Jobs is part of the anti-Microsoft Silicon Valley clique, and despite the fact that Microsoft helped Apple financially, the favor was designed to benefit Microsoft more than Apple. Jobs is a peer of Bill Gates. He sees the numbers Microsoft has racked up. Apple has enough confidence in its hardware designs that it can again risk licensing the Mac OS to the Intel platform. The perfect ploy would be to make an Itanium-only Mac OS with some sort of backward compatibility with Microsoft code. The fact that Apple recently released Keynote as a standalone software product says the company is ready to go after the Microsoft cash cows: Office and Windows.

Timing is everything. Announcing the new architecture in July at the next Macworld Expo would be ideal, since it takes place in the media center, New York City. Whether Apple can actually have a working unit by July is questionable, but Jobs has been known to drive his people hard. Waiting until 2004 is too risky, but that might be the reason Apple is upset about the 2004 Macworld show being moved back to Boston. And consider the fall 2003 possibility: Comdex. Now that would get some attention.

In PCmag so take with a grain of salt. I know they've been having trouble with Motorola, but this would take the cake, I didn't realise their processors were falling THAT far behind..

marty · 04-15-2003, 07:19 AM

I guess the 2 apple users will be pleased.

Lane · 04-15-2003, 07:21 AM

i was gonna post something on the mac thread the other day but i held it in...

apple is gonna start using PC hardware in the close future and wrap up them up in their shiny cases.. Mac won't be able to compete with all the PC hardware technology out there.. they're not strong enough.. they cant handle that competetion.. they're gonna become yet another Dell, maybe still with their own OS, with shinier designs, and ultra-expensive prices..

tony286 · 04-15-2003, 07:37 AM

It could be Jobs is bluffing to get Motorola to move their asses.

Cyber3 · 04-15-2003, 08:30 AM

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apple is gonna start using PC hardware in the close future and wrap up them up in their shiny cases

Start? The newer Macs are mostly PC platform now, memory and hard-drives are PC platform, all that left is the CPU and the Mac is dead, all it will be is a PC with a Unix back-end with a Mac GUI.

Which should not be that bad, but why spend double the cash for a Mac?

Regards,

Kevin

Digipimp · 04-15-2003, 08:41 AM

Well I can see all the heavyweight brains have weighed in on this subject so far and seeing as how dumb the comments have already been I'll just sit back and laugh rather than throw out some intelligent retorts. Good luck with your predictions guys, Apple is going under, Apple is going to be Dell, Apple is going to be like a PC but twice as expensive. All are clearly wrong, but hey at least you guys are trying. Now give me some predictions on other things you don't know shit about so that I have a clearer picture of the future.

Cyber3 · 04-15-2003, 08:50 AM

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Well I can see all the heavyweight brains have weighed in on this subject so far and seeing as how dumb the comments

My comments are wrong? Its mostly fact right now, the new Macs are mostly using a PC platform, you can swap most parts between a MAC and a PC and they work fine.

As far as the chips are concerned I do know that the Motorola plant were they make the chips for MAC just dumped all of the G-3's used in production of the chips to Dell's, how sad is that. The damn maker of the chip does not even use them anymore.

I don't see Macs going away at all, all I am saying is they will have to lower the price or they will lose what little market place they have now.

Regards,

Kevin

High Quality · 04-15-2003, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by tony404
It could be Jobs is bluffing to get Motorola to move their asses.

man you guys are clueless. I was an engineer in a past life and I've worked for all 3 (moto, intel, amd). It doesn't work like this. Contracts are contracts. There is no "bluffing"....

Just like this biz, the processor world is small...

haha

RedShoe · 04-15-2003, 08:57 AM

I've said it 100 times before. I used a MAC for 3 years, and I would never go back. I cringe at the quack.

funkmaster · 04-15-2003, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by RedShoe
I've said it 100 times before. I used a MAC for 3 years, and I would never go back. I cringe at the quack.

... come on, what´t the difference between your mac and a windows box running on a www.wincustomize.com mac theme??

PaulSweet · 04-15-2003, 12:03 PM

This is already being debunked.....
Rebuttal

iroc409 · 04-15-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by PaulSweet
This is already being debunked.....
Rebuttal

i should switch to dvorak.

yeah, it seems mac is getting more "mainstream" with their hardware.. most of the hardware is interchangable these days. which is kinda cool. but the itanium? whoa. i haven't seen anything like that cheap at all... the processors were slapped with some pretty out there prices. watch, apple switches to itanium, and it costs $6k instead of $3k to get into a mac. i can't find any itaniums for under $2k for the processor

iroc409 · 04-15-2003, 12:15 PM

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800MHZ 4MB ITANIUM PROC/CACHE Shop by this brand

$7,184.95
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that's for just a processor from tech depot

foe · 04-15-2003, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by marty
I guess the 2 apple users will be pleased.

Freeway · 04-15-2003, 01:49 PM

LOL.
Dude, that rumor is ten years old.
fucking lol

Fletch XXX · 04-15-2003, 01:54 PM

wow another 'mac is crap' article from PCmag.

hahaha

who would have guessed.

04-15-2003, 06:49 AM	#1
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	Apple switching to Intel?? Apple Switch Prediction: Apple Computer Corp. will switch to Intel processors within the next 12 to 18 months. The story starts with January's Intel sales conference. The surprise keynote speaker was Steve Jobs. And then, in the front row of Steve Jobs's keynote address at the last Macworld Expo were top Intel executives. Shortly thereafter, Pixar announced that it would become an Intel shop. That was all step one. Step two is coming. Apple has been concerned about Motorola dragging its heels in the processor wars and failing to achieve clock speeds that are even half of what AMD and Intel are achieving. Apple has attempted to rationalize clock-speed issues, but the company knows that it cannot do this forever. Worse is the feud between Motorola and Apple, which began after Apple suddenly pulled the plug on the license it gave Motorola to clone the Mac. Change is good. Apple has a unique ability to get away with changing processors radically. It has used the 6502, then the 68K, and now the PowerPC. Each transition happened almost flawlessly. On the PC side of the fence, no Z-80 maker survived even the transition to the 8080. Apple has also cultivated a fanatical following, who have long since accepted the fact that Apple eschews long-term backward compatibility. The legacy concept does not hold the power over Apple users that it does in the PC universe. Apple's only concern is cannibalization. It cannot change architectures with a pipeline full of PowerPC products. So expect a slow transition that will start with the high-end workstations. Apple's concern is that Motorola may muddy the situation, so Jobs will have to convince Motorola and customers that the PowerPC will not be phased out but will remain as part of a dual-processor architecture. Scenario. Apple will announce its Intel initiative by showing a transition machine that uses both the Intel and Motorola processors. "So current Mac owners will not have to worry." This will be a high-end machine optimized to run Photoshop. Apple is adept at creating dual-processor architectures, so this won't be too radical. We've heard rumors of this kind of scenario for some time, under the code name Marklar. Itanium. What will be radical is the company's choice of processor. Apple will announce its use of the Itanium chip, which can be used in such a multiprocessor design and will become the first desktop use of the chip. The choice of the Itanium is suggested by four factors. First, there is zero evidence that Apple is talking to AMD?and it would if it were staying with the x86 legacy chips. Second, Apple likes to make jazzy announcements in which it claims to be the first or the most aggressive in a market. The Itanium fills the bill perfectly, because Jobs can lord it over current PC makers with all sorts of performance claims. Third, if Apple optimizes the OS X kernel for the Itanium, the likelihood of the Apple OS being ripped off by normal PC users is nil. And finally, by choosing the Itanium, Apple will have an ally in Intel, who will put its design team to work for Apple and perhaps even invest in the company, knowing AMD is not in the picture. The Apple switch cannot be just a short-term fix for the megahertz dilemma. Jobs is part of the anti-Microsoft Silicon Valley clique, and despite the fact that Microsoft helped Apple financially, the favor was designed to benefit Microsoft more than Apple. Jobs is a peer of Bill Gates. He sees the numbers Microsoft has racked up. Apple has enough confidence in its hardware designs that it can again risk licensing the Mac OS to the Intel platform. The perfect ploy would be to make an Itanium-only Mac OS with some sort of backward compatibility with Microsoft code. The fact that Apple recently released Keynote as a standalone software product says the company is ready to go after the Microsoft cash cows: Office and Windows. Timing is everything. Announcing the new architecture in July at the next Macworld Expo would be ideal, since it takes place in the media center, New York City. Whether Apple can actually have a working unit by July is questionable, but Jobs has been known to drive his people hard. Waiting until 2004 is too risky, but that might be the reason Apple is upset about the 2004 Macworld show being moved back to Boston. And consider the fall 2003 possibility: Comdex. Now that would get some attention. In PCmag so take with a grain of salt. I know they've been having trouble with Motorola, but this would take the cake, I didn't realise their processors were falling THAT far behind..

04-15-2003, 07:21 AM	#3
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	i was gonna post something on the mac thread the other day but i held it in... apple is gonna start using PC hardware in the close future and wrap up them up in their shiny cases.. Mac won't be able to compete with all the PC hardware technology out there.. they're not strong enough.. they cant handle that competetion.. they're gonna become yet another Dell, maybe still with their own OS, with shinier designs, and ultra-expensive prices.. __________________

04-15-2003, 08:41 AM	#6
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	Well I can see all the heavyweight brains have weighed in on this subject so far and seeing as how dumb the comments have already been I'll just sit back and laugh rather than throw out some intelligent retorts. Good luck with your predictions guys, Apple is going under, Apple is going to be Dell, Apple is going to be like a PC but twice as expensive. All are clearly wrong, but hey at least you guys are trying. Now give me some predictions on other things you don't know shit about so that I have a clearer picture of the future. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

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