News What Do Europeans Think About Muslim Immigration?

[OneHungLo]

Looks like there are a lot of racists and bigots in Europe




In our survey, carried out before President Trump?s executive order was announced, respondents were given the following statement: ?All further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped?. They were then asked to what extent did they agree or disagree with this statement. Overall, across all 10 of the European countries an average of 55% agreed that all further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped, 25% neither agreed nor disagreed and 20% disagreed.

Majorities in all but two of the ten states agreed, ranging from 71% in Poland, 65% in Austria, 53% in Germany and 51% in Italy to 47% in the United Kingdom and 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/...im-immigration

[SpicyM]

Bladewire only likes atheist muslims

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by SpicyM

Bladewire only likes atheist muslims

Lies. Don't talk behind my back sneaky SpicyM.

[DraX]

If EU politics continue being pro immigration from the middle east they will get surprises over surprises by the european people with reactions. it's just a matter of time.

Brexit was one reaction.

Fuck with people long enough, one day people bite back.

More to follow.

[pimpmaster9000]

100% of those refugees think europe should not eat US foreign policy asshole no more...

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Go Poland! We're finally #1 in Europe for something!

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

100% of those refugees think europe should not eat US foreign policy asshole no more...

I imagine this includes the 80% that aren't actually coming from war zones?

[Paul Markham]

It has very little to do with racism. It's about finances, culture, resources, and standards of living.

Most Europeans are worse off financially than they were 10 or 20 years ago. Fewer jobs, Lower Wages, Unemployment and a far worse future if Europe stays on its present course.

The mass influx of a culture that will never integrate has changed many areas in Europe.

In many countries resources like Homes, Healthcare, Education, Security are getting far worse and without people paying a lot more in taxes. They will get worse.

All these have caused Standards of Living to drop.

No one complains if a Muslim Surgeon, Scientist, Businessman comes. The problem is the vast majority are only able to take a low skilled job if any job at all. Unemployment, low wages, employed in low-skilled jobs among migrants is at an all time high. The highest percentile of those are Muslims.

But the lib, PC, be nice to everyone else, Governments ignore their own citizens because of the colour, religion of migrants. We now have reverse racism. Black Brits are the worse off and the UK owes them more than future migrants.

So stick your racist chants up your ass.

[Paul Markham]

The ratios are clear.

The top 15% are in favour of more migrants. The next 25% have not decided. The rest, 60%, are suffering from mass migration.

This very much reflects earnings over the last 20-30 years. This is what the EU has delivered for most Europeans.

[Zeiss]

Allah is trying to send an awakening message through these migrations but Europeans are still asleep.

P.S. I am not a Muslim. Thanks for your understanding!

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

I imagine this includes the 80% that aren't actually coming from war zones?

Oh they are just thrilled that the USA starts shit all around them boosting their economies to a distant memory...Don't forget to eat Us foreign policy asshole while getting proxy fucked by its effects tho...It's all the evil migrants fault LOL

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Oh they are just thrilled that the USA starts shit all around them boosting their economies to a distant memory...Don't forget to eat Us foreign policy asshole while getting proxy fucked by its effects tho...It's all the evil migrants fault LOL

Ah but you see, it is the migrants fault. People don't hate them because they are arabs, people hate them because they don't work, they don't integrate, 80% of them are illiterate, they live off the welfare state and in many cases are violent.

The REASON we have migrants may well be US foreign policy, but the problems these migrants cause are the migrants' fault. If they came, integrated and behaved it wouldn't be a problem.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Most Europeans are worse off financially than they were 10 or 20 years ago. Fewer jobs, Lower Wages, Unemployment and a far worse future if Europe stays on its present course.

"paul markham-ing" is responsible for this not migrants...your corporations went and did a "paul markham" abroad and stopped hiring domestic workers in favor of cheap foreign workers...your consumers did a "paul markham" and purchased cheap foreign instead of expensive domestic...

now you are fucked because of "paul markham-ing" and you want to blame migrants?

let me remind you of an almighty law of economy "where there is demand there is supply"...lots of paul markhamns wanted to paul markham ergo the demand for high paid europeans went to shit and the demand for low paid workers paul markham-ed...

paul, you are literally the poster boy for paul markhaming...you should wear a made in china MAGA hat and talk how you are going to bring jobs back to the west to make the comedy complete

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Ah but you see, it is the migrants fault. People don't hate them because they are arabs, people hate them because they don't work, they don't integrate, 80% of them are illiterate, they live off the welfare state and in many cases are violent.

nobody wants illiterate migrants but you would do the same if everything around you was rubble...if europe had gone ape-shit every time USIS invaded it would have only a fraction of the migrants it has now...people would rather stay at home than go to a country they do not speak a word of...very few people WANT to be an illegal migrant or whatever...

and no they are not violent in "many cases" because there are millions of them in europe, if this was true there would be millions of reports of violence daily...some are violent, some are from the stone age, but most are running away from what the west left them: no future

the bill has come due...

[redwhiteandblue]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

paul, you are literally the poster boy for paul markhaming...

Well there's no arguing with that is there?

[Paul Markham]

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9...y-rape-january

[lys11]

Originally Posted by Zeiss

Allah is trying to send an awakening message through these migrations but Europeans are still asleep.

P.S. I am not a Muslim. Thanks for your understanding!

Hahahaha they are God's messengers

[MiamiBoyz]

Originally Posted by lys11

Hahahaha they are God's messengers

Spreading the word one suicide bomber at a time. Lovely

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

News What Do Europeans Think About Muslim Immigration?

We just don't care. Islam is the second religion after Christianity in Russia. 1000 years ago we were conquered by Genghis Khan. Now Muslim Tatars - the heirs of Khan speak Russian, drink vodka and eat pork

When I was an university student, we had a few guys from Yemen in the group (the high education was free for us, but commercial for them). They were so Muslim, so religions, told us so much about Allah and Mohamed... but they have never said "no" to Russian vodka and bacon

[davidCRM]

would love to see Sweden's stance on this

[thommy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Looks like there are a lot of racists and bigots in Europe




In our survey, carried out before President Trump?s executive order was announced, respondents were given the following statement: ?All further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped?. They were then asked to what extent did they agree or disagree with this statement. Overall, across all 10 of the European countries an average of 55% agreed that all further migration from mainly Muslim countries should be stopped, 25% neither agreed nor disagreed and 20% disagreed.

Majorities in all but two of the ten states agreed, ranging from 71% in Poland, 65% in Austria, 53% in Germany and 51% in Italy to 47% in the United Kingdom and 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/...im-immigration

the point is that there is a big difference between immigrants and refugees.

what most people in europe do not understand that there is a bidder calculus behind the politic angela merkel tried (and struggeled).

especially germany have a problem with the population. every year are more germans dying as born. the generation contract what significants, that the actial working people have to pay the pensions of the old people does not work (because it is a 67 years old lie from adenauer).

the plan from her was let the refugees in (with just a limited timeframe and get rid of them at any time) and keep the best and most integrated of them.

the problem is, that no politician in europe can´t talk like that and explain humanism by economic reason. that´s why nobody understand the backgrounds and the people do not know the difference between immigration and refugees. germany was never and still is not an immigration country - even when that would be urgently needed for the mentioned reasons.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

"paul markham-ing" is responsible for this not migrants...your corporations went and did a "paul markham" abroad and stopped hiring domestic workers in favor of cheap foreign workers...your consumers did a "paul markham" and purchased cheap foreign instead of expensive domestic...

now you are fucked because of "paul markham-ing" and you want to blame migrants?

let me remind you of an almighty law of economy "where there is demand there is supply"...lots of paul markhamns wanted to paul markham ergo the demand for high paid europeans went to shit and the demand for low paid workers paul markham-ed...

paul, you are literally the poster boy for paul markhaming...you should wear a made in china MAGA hat and talk how you are going to bring jobs back to the west to make the comedy complete




nobody wants illiterate migrants but you would do the same if everything around you was rubble...if europe had gone ape-shit every time USIS invaded it would have only a fraction of the migrants it has now...people would rather stay at home than go to a country they do not speak a word of...very few people WANT to be an illegal migrant or whatever...

and no they are not violent in "many cases" because there are millions of them in europe, if this was true there would be millions of reports of violence daily...some are violent, some are from the stone age, but most are running away from what the west left them: no future

the bill has come due...

I love how you and that soviet shit head Boris think "Europe" is somehow addressed to two of you nitwits..
He said "refugees" not "retards". No-one in their right mind would ever move to your countries. It defeats the whole purpose of being called "refugee" from a shithole country.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

the point is that there is a big difference between immigrants and refugees.

what most people in europe do not understand that there is a bidder calculus behind the politic angela merkel tried (and struggeled).

especially germany have a problem with the population. every year are more germans dying as born. the generation contract what significants, that the actial working people have to pay the pensions of the old people does not work (because it is a 67 years old lie from adenauer).

the plan from her was let the refugees in (with just a limited timeframe and get rid of them at any time) and keep the best and most integrated of them.

the problem is, that no politician in europe can´t talk like that and explain humanism by economic reason. that´s why nobody understand the backgrounds and the people do not know the difference between immigration and refugees. germany was never and still is not an immigration country - even when that would be urgently needed for the mentioned reasons.

Stop taking what politicians tell you as the truth.

The difference between refugees and migrants is, migrants won't go home after the fighting stops. A large number of those crossing into Europe become migrants the moment they leave the first safe country they arrive in. They don't register themselves in the first country they arrive in. They throw away passports so as not to get sent back or identify they haven't come from a country not at war.

In the 21st Century, we need fewer people to work and those people to get paid more to pay the taxes required. More people = Lower wages/taxes which benefits the rich. Anyone who thinks more people means higher tax revenues is not in touch with logic, it's the size of the pay packet that matter.

If you mean Merkel and her plan. Then you are again out of touch with the facts.

Humanism starts at home. Europe faces huge problems as it moves toward losing 30% of jobs, the lowering of wages/tax revenues, the population's higher reliance on taxpayers money to support them. Countries are going into higher debt while cutting services and demand on those services rising.

I don't care if a migrant is white, black, brown or tan. They earn above the average wage and look after their family 100% or they don't get in. Which is why none of the migrants walking across Europe stop or goes voluntarily to Czech, Poland, Hungary, Balkans, Greece. They walk to countries where they will get more money. So all those guys are migrants.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

I love how you and that soviet shit head Boris think "Europe" is somehow addressed to two of you nitwits..
He said "refugees" not "retards". No-one in their right mind would ever move to your countries. It defeats the whole purpose of being called "refugee" from a shithole country.

This dingbat moron needs to go and ask his Serbian neighbours how many Muslims that want to take.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

I love how you and that soviet shit head Boris think "Europe" is somehow addressed to two of you nitwits..
He said "refugees" not "retards". No-one in their right mind would ever move to your countries. It defeats the whole purpose of being called "refugee" from a shithole country.

learning to read would do you good..."paul markhaming" is why your economies are going to shit

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

learning to read would do you good..."paul markhaming" is why your economies are going to shit

I don't read your shit Are you kidding me.
But I just knew two of you assclowns will be in this topic somehow thinking you are part of the group to whom OP addressed his question.

Our economies going to shit? Oh Jebus... Silly shell shocked Serb

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Stop taking what politicians tell you as the truth.

The difference between refugees and migrants is, migrants won't go home after the fighting stops. A large number of those crossing into Europe become migrants the moment they leave the first safe country they arrive in. They don't register themselves in the first country they arrive in. They throw away passports so as not to get sent back or identify they haven't come from a country not at war.

In the 21st Century, we need fewer people to work and those people to get paid more to pay the taxes required. More people = Lower wages/taxes which benefits the rich. Anyone who thinks more people means higher tax revenues is not in touch with logic, it's the size of the pay packet that matter.

If you mean Merkel and her plan. Then you are again out of touch with the facts.

Humanism starts at home. Europe faces huge problems as it moves toward losing 30% of jobs, the lowering of wages/tax revenues, the population's higher reliance on taxpayers money to support them. Countries are going into higher debt while cutting services and demand on those services rising.

I don't care if a migrant is white, black, brown or tan. They earn above the average wage and look after their family 100% or they don't get in. Which is why none of the migrants walking across Europe stop or goes voluntarily to Czech, Poland, Hungary, Balkans, Greece. They walk to countries where they will get more money. So all those guys are migrants.

More walls of text from Paul Migrant.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

especially germany have a problem with the population. every year are more germans dying as born. the generation contract what significants, that the actial working people have to pay the pensions of the old people does not work (because it is a 67 years old lie from adenauer).

So the other politicians did 67 years nothing... who is to blame. Better blame the dead, that is easier...

Why are the same people that are saying we need workers also saying everybody must have a basic income cause there won't be work for everyone in the future?

I say "a donkey never hits the same stone twice". If i see what cultural clashes are happening now, better not repeat that again. Better less economic growth than more of those problems.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

So the other politicians did 67 years nothing... who is to blame. Better blame the dead, that is easier...

Why are the same people that are saying we need workers also saying everybody must have a basic income cause there won't be work for everyone in the future?

I say "a donkey never hits the same stone twice". If i see what cultural clashes are happening now, better not repeat that again. Better less economic growth than more of those problems.

No modern country needs more workers long term. Or even short term where in some areas more training is needed. This is a lie put out by the 1% who want to suppress wages.

Long term as machines take the jobs of Humans you still here will face a huge problem.

Very high rates of unemployment, say around 20% more than now. These people will have to be looked after or they will start voting for Governments that will. Very far Right or Left. So taxes will go through the roof for those who do have a job and that won't be enough. Companies will have to pay high taxes.

Will tax havens and countries with low tax rates be able to harbour companies who want to sell everywhere ad not pay taxes?

Don't reply with new jobs will appear. Those new jobs will be done by machines.

Read up on what's happening and what's coming.

This exposes Thommy's lack of knowledge.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

I don't read your shit Are you kidding me.
But I just knew two of you assclowns will be in this topic somehow thinking you are part of the group to whom OP addressed his question.

Our economies going to shit? Oh Jebus... Silly shell shocked Serb

Western economies aren't doing great. Worse still the people are doing badly.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by NewNick

More walls of text from Paul Migrant.

I'm sorry if you can only consume sound bites on complex issues. I write for a more intelligent level than you.

Do you see how easy it is to put down stupid people?

[oppoten]

Originally Posted by thommy

especially germany have a problem with the population. every year are more germans dying as born.

Take your Cultural Marxists with you to Israel, leave the German people to their own devices, and watch out for a miraculous improvement

[thommy]

Originally Posted by oppoten

Take your Cultural Marxists with you to Israel, leave the German people to their own devices, and watch out for a miraculous improvement

1. i will not go to isreal - what shall i do there? i am not jewish and i do not want to live in a country where nobody knows when a missile is knocking on his head.

there will not be a miracle improvement because the environment is fucked already and the countries around the equator will not survive.
also the north countries will not because they will be under water.

the responsible on that are the countries what are (for an accident) in a region what does not get this influence in the near future.

so what do you think will happen?

do you think this person will wait in their countries for their dead?

if human being wants to survive we have to learn to live together on what is left or fighting horrible wars where billions will be killed.
we both and the rest here will not have the chance to sit in one of this bunkers where the elite will be able to survive 200 years.

99% of you people here have the problem that you are victims of your own political convictions. you are not able to look either left or right and you do not see the shades in between black and white. You were bred to join one of the two opinions you have and you are not willing to accept the truth, wven when this truth in in the middle between black and white.

after I am neither racist nor caught in a political ideology i have the freedom to pick the best choice for each circumstance and issue. i do not have to fight for a president i voted or a party i am member - i am completely free in my thoughts and that makes it so hard to discuss with people which basically refer to their position as the opposite of their political opponents and not from a logic and neutral point of view.

most arguments i read here are "fake news", "bullshit" or calling names to each other.
the only one who really can argument for his points is the Serbian guy here. I do not agree with all he says because he is a nationalist per excellence but whatever he says is an argument what is worth to discuss and shows me that this guy is really one of the smartest here.

from what you said in all this discussion i do not even know if you are a jewish rabbi or the local headmaster of ku klux clan.

[pimpmaster9000]

"paul markhaming" is what is destroying your economies and the only thing keeping some of it alive is cheap labor...go ahead and pretend that hiring expensive western workers is a realistic option go ahead and block the influx of cheap workers that is the life belt that is keeping you afloat

if this was sports and we were discussing hiring fat players vs skinny players this would not even be up for debate...but expensive workers vs. cheap ones, somehow, is like a real debate

expensive western worker = thing of the past...RIP...none of you want expensive stuff and expensive workers you all want to "paul markham" and complain and red herring it on refugees or whatever...

go to a mirror and take a look at the reason your economies will never recover and then go do a "paul markham" on the boards and try to blame others

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

"paul markhaming" is what is destroying your economies and the only thing keeping some of it alive is cheap labor...go ahead and pretend that hiring expensive western workers is a realistic option go ahead and block the influx of cheap workers that is the life belt that is keeping you afloat

if this was sports and we were discussing hiring fat players vs skinny players this would not even be up for debate...but expensive workers vs. cheap ones, somehow, is like a real debate

expensive western worker = thing of the past...RIP...none of you want expensive stuff and expensive workers you all want to "paul markham" and complain and red herring it on refugees or whatever...

go to a mirror and take a look at the reason your economies will never recover and then go do a "paul markham" on the boards and try to blame others

infact the idea of bringing back work from cheap countries to the own is not logic at all.

EVERY business calculation includes the factors "equity interest" and "profit"

so lets say a product what is sold for 100 dollars plus 5% capital interest and 10% profit would cost 115 dollar.

if the production cost for labour gets up 5 dollar it would lead the product to 105 plus 5% capital interest plus 10% profit = 120.75 dollar

that means, that the guy who make 5 dollars more have to pay 5,75 more for the same product. WHAT EXACTLY happens now with the prosperity ?

AND the point is that this 5 dollar more may bring him (because of the progressive tax) into another tax rate - what means that he does not get 5 dollars from that but maybe only 4.
that means that he pays not only 75 cent more - he pay 1,75 dollar more as he did before.

it is that simple and i can´t understand why nobody can see this simple and logic point.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

I love how you and that soviet shit head Boris think "Europe" is somehow addressed to two of you nitwits..
He said "refugees" not "retards". No-one in their right mind would ever move to your countries. It defeats the whole purpose of being called "refugee" from a shithole country.

Idiot, Moscow in #1 city in the world by the flow of immigrants - legal and illegal ones who want to work and live here. They are basically from the former Soviet republics, China, Vietnam, Ghana etc. Maybe they have a better education, or their culture is not so bad, but they don't mass rape our women (like in Germany and Sweden), they don't make Muslim patrols (like in the UK), they don't burn cars and don't rioting (like in France). We have a lot of them, we allow them to pray their God, but we don't allow them to do anything that those refugees are used to do in the EU.

This is Moscow, and these are foreign Muslim immigrants:













If you want to see Chinese ones, go to a nearest street market. If you are looking for African immigrants - go to a brothel. Wanna see UK or German guys? Go to any night pub. This city is full of foreigns and we are ok with them.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm sorry if you can only consume sound bites on complex issues. I write for a more intelligent level than you.

Im sorry that you are unable to comprehend the hypocrisy of your position.

You, Paul Fucking Migrant, spewing out walls of text telling everyone how they should feel about migration.

When are you going home Paul ?

There is another fella like you who claims to be really smart, and he claims to have all the answers. He spews out bullshit responses about immigration when in truth he is also completely reliant on it.

Breath taking hypocrisy.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by thommy

infact the idea of bringing back work from cheap countries to the own is not logic at all.

EVERY business calculation includes the factors "equity interest" and "profit"

so lets say a product what is sold for 100 dollars plus 5% capital interest and 10% profit would cost 115 dollar.

if the production cost for labour gets up 5 dollar it would lead the product to 105 plus 5% capital interest plus 10% profit = 120.75 dollar

that means, that the guy who make 5 dollars more have to pay 5,75 more for the same product. WHAT EXACTLY happens now with the prosperity ?

AND the point is that this 5 dollar more may bring him (because of the progressive tax) into another tax rate - what means that he does not get 5 dollars from that but maybe only 4.
that means that he pays not only 75 cent more - he pay 1,75 dollar more as he did before.

it is that simple and i can´t understand why nobody can see this simple and logic point.

a pretty lie is always better accepted than the ugly truth..."miracle diet pills" sellers and politicians make full use of this

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

infact the idea of bringing back work from cheap countries to the own is not logic at all.

EVERY business calculation includes the factors "equity interest" and "profit"

so lets say a product what is sold for 100 dollars plus 5% capital interest and 10% profit would cost 115 dollar.

if the production cost for labour gets up 5 dollar it would lead the product to 105 plus 5% capital interest plus 10% profit = 120.75 dollar

that means, that the guy who make 5 dollars more have to pay 5,75 more for the same product. WHAT EXACTLY happens now with the prosperity ?

AND the point is that this 5 dollar more may bring him (because of the progressive tax) into another tax rate - what means that he does not get 5 dollars from that but maybe only 4.
that means that he pays not only 75 cent more - he pay 1,75 dollar more as he did before.

it is that simple and i can´t understand why nobody can see this simple and logic point.

They will change the human for a machine and the product will cost 1 euro more.
No need for immigration, no more slave labour. It is perfect that there will be less people in Europe.
Less people = better for environment.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

infact the idea of bringing back work from cheap countries to the own is not logic at all.

EVERY business calculation includes the factors "equity interest" and "profit"

so lets say a product what is sold for 100 dollars plus 5% capital interest and 10% profit would cost 115 dollar.

if the production cost for labour gets up 5 dollar it would lead the product to 105 plus 5% capital interest plus 10% profit = 120.75 dollar

that means, that the guy who make 5 dollars more have to pay 5,75 more for the same product. WHAT EXACTLY happens now with the prosperity ?

AND the point is that this 5 dollar more may bring him (because of the progressive tax) into another tax rate - what means that he does not get 5 dollars from that but maybe only 4.
that means that he pays not only 75 cent more - he pay 1,75 dollar more as he did before.

it is that simple and i can´t understand why nobody can see this simple and logic point.

I'm sorry if you're too blind to see how wrong you are.

The company overseas isn't contributing to the Western economy. So let's say it costs $25 in China, $25 the Western economy isn't getting.

The guy making it is now off benefits and spending in the Western economy, paying taxes and contributing instead of costing the country.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by NewNick

Im sorry that you are unable to comprehend the hypocrisy of your position.

You, Paul Fucking Migrant, spewing out walls of text telling everyone how they should feel about migration.

When are you going home Paul ?

There is another fella like you who claims to be really smart, and he claims to have all the answers. He spews out bullshit responses about immigration when in truth he is also completely reliant on it.

Breath taking hypocrisy.

I'm not anti-migration. Why are you still harping on that point?

I'm pro-migration between Western Countries for people who will bring wealth to their new country. People like me.

I'm anti-migration for people who can't bring wealth to their new country and are already living on benefits. People like you.

Of the immediate family of five, that I grew up with only one remains in the UK. Of my Fathers family, 3 of them migrated. In fact, my family has a history of emigrating.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

They will change the human for a machine and the product will cost 1 euro more.
No need for immigration, no more slave labour. It is perfect that there will be less people in Europe.
Less people = better for environment.

i hear robots like shopping

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

i hear robots like shopping

No need for cashiers either.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

No need for cashiers either.

dude I don't think you get it...you see when robots replace workers, those workers were amazon go customers...who is amazon go going to sell to now? shopping robots?

in the USA around 50% of humans are high skilled, the other 50% are not...when the low skilled get replaced by robots, even if civil war does not break out or communism does not get voted in, the other 50% high skilled will have to somehow support the low skilled unemployed ones...

you seem to be heavily betting on low skilled workers just dying in peace without any trouble at all, all over the world...but it does not work that way and every low skilled worker you put out of work creates pressure on the others...

the sahara dessert was once a lush jungle...then 1% of plants died out...then the temperature rose because there was 1% less shade form the sun now...then more plants died out...then the temp rose even more and so on...soon there was nothing...this is exactly how it works in economy too...

you can not shrink your market and not feel the effects...

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

dude I don't think you get it...you see when robots replace workers, those workers were amazon go customers...who is amazon go going to sell to now? shopping robots?

in the USA around 50% of humans are high skilled, the other 50% are not...when the low skilled get replaced by robots, even if civil war does not break out or communism does not get voted in, the other 50% high skilled will have to somehow support the low skilled unemployed ones...

you seem to be heavily betting on low skilled workers just dying in peace without any trouble at all, all over the world...but it does not work that way and every low skilled worker you put out of work creates pressure on the others...

the sahara dessert was once a lush jungle...then 1% of plants died out...then the temperature rose because there was 1% less shade form the sun now...then more plants died out...then the temp rose even more and so on...soon there was nothing...this is exactly how it works in economy too...

you can not shrink your market and not feel the effects...

I don't think you get it.... Thommy said they need more people in Germany to work cause the older people go on retirement. And now you say it yourself, why must we get more low skilled immigrants... don't need more people, there are enough and else we can automate the production. And like i said, i don't mind less economic growth if it is better for environment, culture clashes etcetra.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Idiot, Moscow in #1 city in the world by the flow of immigrants - legal and illegal ones who want to work and live here. They are basically from the former Soviet republics, China, Vietnam, Ghana etc. Maybe they have a better education, or their culture is not so bad, but they don't mass rape our women (like in Germany and Sweden), they don't make Muslim patrols (like in the UK), they don't burn cars and don't rioting (like in France). We have a lot of them, we allow them to pray their God, but we don't allow them to do anything that those refugees are used to do in the EU.

This is Moscow, and these are foreign Muslim immigrants:













If you want to see Chinese ones, go to a nearest street market. If you are looking for African immigrants - go to a brothel. Wanna see UK or German guys? Go to any night pub. This city is full of foreigns and we are ok with them.

That shit doesn't count dumb fuck. 99% of you immigrants come from former soviet republics. No other idiot would trade one shithole country for equally shitty one. Give those africans option to move to the US or Russia, we all know where 100% of them will go. So fucking keep the few you have.

[Horatio Caine]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

dude I don't think you get it...you see when robots replace workers, those workers were amazon go customers...who is amazon go going to sell to now? shopping robots?

in the USA around 50% of humans are high skilled, the other 50% are not...when the low skilled get replaced by robots, even if civil war does not break out or communism does not get voted in, the other 50% high skilled will have to somehow support the low skilled unemployed ones...

you seem to be heavily betting on low skilled workers just dying in peace without any trouble at all, all over the world...but it does not work that way and every low skilled worker you put out of work creates pressure on the others...

the sahara dessert was once a lush jungle...then 1% of plants died out...then the temperature rose because there was 1% less shade form the sun now...then more plants died out...then the temp rose even more and so on...soon there was nothing...this is exactly how it works in economy too...

you can not shrink your market and not feel the effects...

What was that about being delusional and knowing the truths?
Still shell shocked, Slobo?
Robots.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

They will change the human for a machine and the product will cost 1 euro more.
No need for immigration, no more slave labour. It is perfect that there will be less people in Europe.
Less people = better for environment.

and from what do people live when they get replaced by machines?

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

and from what do people live when they get replaced by machines?

Ofcourse machines wouldn't take all jobs away. But why have more low skilled migrants in the country than? Our own low skilled workers need a job too. Or give we everyone including migrants a basic income? And is it worth the culture clash that is happening that divide the people?

So, we don't need the immigrants to solve the problem that there are less people who must work for the elderly. Just make sure the production per employee rise more. And else put a factory in Mexico

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm sorry if you're too blind to see how wrong you are.

The company overseas isn't contributing to the Western economy. So let's say it costs $25 in China, $25 the Western economy isn't getting.

The guy making it is now off benefits and spending in the Western economy, paying taxes and contributing instead of costing the country.

ahaaaaaaaaa.... so they do NOT contribute to the western economy ?????

about WHAT are we discussing then ????

on WHAT exactly should be the import tax planned by donald dump if they do not contribute to the western economy ?????

paul sorry, that is COMPLETELY BULLSHIT what you are talking and shows me only that you do not have the smallest clue.

shall i paint you the money circle that you are going to understand that?

present situation is:

US companies are producing and EXPORTING technology what is sold to countries with cheap labour.

They are using the cheap labour to produce a product FAR cheaper as it could be produced in USA and sell it back to US.

BECAUSE they are OFFSHORE the need contributers in US, wholesellers, delievery services,
warehouses for the stock and the result is that the workers what are producing the machines have more properity because they buy a product much cheaper.

NOW WE COME TO YOUR VISION:

step 1: the products will be produced in USA but for a much higher price.

step 2: all the jobs what are based on import will vbe gone because there is no import. these people have to look for another jon in the country and will directly compete with all other working habitants.

step 3: a higher price will lead to less demand on this product - less production means less workers - less workers means less income - less income= less demand - less demand= less production........

step 4: US companies will export less technology because if this countries can´t export there is no reason to produce. less jobs in this industry what can´t be balanced by the industry meantiones in step 2 because they are on the way down....

step 5: to give evenybody work in such a horrible economy situation the costs of labour have to go down = less income = less demand - less production

step 6: a country full of poor people can´t survive because the people are too poor to buy the stuff what they are producing.....

step 7 and endpoint: america will decrease to a cheap harbour land and will be used from china and mexico for doing works what their own people will not do for this money.

THIS PAUL, is what you are preaching here !

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Ofcourse machines wouldn't take all jobs away. But why have more low skilled migrants in the country than? Our own low skilled workers need a job too. Or give we everyone including migrants a basic income? And is it worth the culture clash that is happening that divide the people?

So, we don't need the immigrants to solve the problem that there are less people who must work for the elderly. Just make sure the production per employee rise more. And else put a factory in Mexico

question: have you been sick when you learned in school the basics of mathematics and economy?

WHO shall buy the stuff when 50% are unemployed and WITH WHAT do they buy it?

and WHY the high skilled worker should produce something with their machines if there are no buyers for this products?

if you take ALL immigrants out of usa (and we talk about immigrants and not refugees what are not planned to stay in a country) in usa the light would go out immediately.
and NOT ONLY because there are MASSES of high skilled engineers missed in the country. also because some of the high-skilled NON-immigrant engineers would not find a taxi or could fill up their car because the truck driver who should bring the gasoline is gone.

and even if the high-skilled NON-immigrant engineer would find the way to his job he would not be able to enter because you deported the porter, the toilettes would be dirty and the guy who is needed from the high-skilled NON-immigrant engineer to hold the lamp and the cable is also deported.

what a fuck are you talking??? in what kind of world do you live ?