Go fuck your self lard ass...oh I am sorry you can't see your wee little dick over the fat gut. You are a nothing to me SleazyDream so rant on...just another board whore.

Prehaps it was ignorant but my understanding was that it could only be enforced towards terrorist activity. Which in that case it doesn't effect me. However I never read the bill and didn't think that a door was left open allowing them to use it for any old reason.

Specify the freedom that you are speaking about please?

We have road blocks also in Canada. That is fine, but the police:

- randomly stops a vehicule out of every 2 to 5 ( they create a " funnel" down to one line ). They do not stop all vehicules.

- driver of vehicule stopped is aked general questions ( ie: did you have a drink? how long ago?...) to see if the driver is or seems intoxicated . If they think he is, they ask the driver to blow in a alcohol detection device.

- The driver has the right to refuse, and only then can the policeman put him under arrest if he really looks drunk, but still no test...

- In no time, aside from arrest, will they ask your name or documents such as driver's licence.

The purpose of those road blocks are to catch drunken drivers, period.
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The problem is that the definition is so broad it can apply to almost anyone.. Check this, one of the first links I found. (Sorry, pdf)

Has all of the salient points about the Patriot Act defined. A document written by the ACLU and some others (ACLU being one of the organizations that could be defined as domestic terrorists, btw)

http://www.bordc.org/Repeal.pdf

Cheers,
Backov

I don't think that it is right. Next thing they will want to do, is go house to house checking ID seeing if they can catch someone with outstanding warrents

The way that I read it, it also can be used to catch the common criminal, and I do not have a problem with that and any honest, above board citizen should not have a problem with the Patriot Act either.

As I stated the Congress can, and has in the past, over turned legislation, but most usually they modify legislation and the Supreme Court is still the ultimate arbiter of what is legal and what is not legal for the government to do. If there are abuses, and there probably will be, these abuses will be dealt with.

The practice you are speaking about has been practiced all of my life and as I said here in California it is not practiced as much as it was in years past.

I challenge anyone to read the PDF I posted and come back and tell me in detail why it's not an absolutely horrible freedom-perverting piece of legislation. Hitler would have been proud of it.

Exactly its the abuse I am concerned about. There is a due process people are treated innocent until proven guilty. Another thing regurading this patriot bill being that the nature it is reguarding privacy, is that it should be restricted to units dealing strictly with terrorist activity. I don't think a redneck police department should be able to enforce activity via the patriot act.

At CHP road blocks, each car is not stopped, as they don't want traffic buildups. In California it is against the law to drive without a current driver license on your person, current registration of the car, and proof of insurance. Police are required by law to ask for these three items when you are stopped for any reason. If you do not have anyone of the three the Police have the right to have your car towed and impounded. Not every Policeman will perform this check, most will, some will also only cite you and will not have your car towed or impounded.

the point is...he has no control over himself. puppets only react when the strings are pulled.

While I am not in agreement with the design of the patriot act, I think the intentions where meant well. But by comparing this bill with Nazi Germany standards is a gross over statement. Hitler was a dictator he didn't need no fancy bill to slaughter jews and enforce law.

kenny you are retarded.

are you even in the adult business at all?

"I think the intentions where meant well"

Guess you must be content cause you sure dont have a sense for the biz.

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they dont do it every night.

but definitely on nights such as big high school dances, or Saint Patricks day, or 4th of July even, why?

to fucking keep DRUNK DRIVERS off the road.

nothing to do with terrorits or keeping tabs on the cities people.

New Orleans is known for what? Its ALCOHOL and Mardi Gras, if you think for a minute they dont wait for those times to set up road checks to help keep drunks off the road you are surely mistaken, this has been going on forever.

turn off cnn for a second and think.

everything we do is NOT because of TERRORISM or BIG BROTHER>

i know i feel safer driving during mardi gras knowing they will at least TRY to help keep drunk drivers off the road, i guess you dont care about those things, I do.

road traps are only used at certain times, its not a regular practice, and no doubt, the 'fear' of them keep many home instead of out drinking and driving, and i guess thats good enough.

and its not a big deal, all the ones I have been involved in, you dont even get out of your car.

You simply hold your drives license to the window as you drive by slowly.

my car at the time had a sunroof, i held my id out the top, the cop didnt even stop me fully, but waved me pass.

man my rights were sooo violated.

hahaha

You do not have the mental capacity to make a point...but feel free to pretend that you do.

If a guy looks drunk pull him over. Why do they need to establish a check point if the majority of the people aren't doing nothing wrong. I guess I have been sterotyped by my looks as being some crinimal. They think because I am young and that I dress nice and drive a nice car that they need to search my car for a hour because I am probably a drug dealer

You obviously don't know how Nazi Germany did their thing.

They didn't come into Poland and say "Hey, all you jews, there's the ovens jump on in"..

First jews were just not allowed in some places.
Then they were only allowed to keep so much cash.
Then they had to wear armbands.
Then they had to live in the (walled) ghetto.
Then they started getting executed for sport.
Then they started getting shipped off to death camps.

It's never all in one step. Freedom dissapears gradually, with very few noticing it is doing so, until one day, it is ALL gone.

I agree it is somewhat unfair to compare it to Hitler, but it is very much in the same vein. There are certain "undesirables" that don't have the rights of the "good" (aryan) citizens - and thus they don't get any, we get to treat them however we like. Plus with the handy little amendment to the Freedom of Information Act, NO ONE CAN CHECK TO SEE IF IT'S BEING ABUSED!

There's no way anyone should be supporting this legislation. This is the kind of shit WW2 vets died to prevent happening.

As Fletch and I have stated this is not anything new. I am forty-five and it has been that way all of my life and actually in California it is done less than in years past.

Well it seems like they are doing it more frequently where I am from.

BY theory isnt the Amber Alert System another Big brother communication tool?

Id say so.

I see them flashing things all the time on the freeways here.

I bet they start running commercials on it within a year.

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I admit I never studied Nazi Germany in vast detail. However I still believe that Hitler would simply have someone killed if they where a suspected terrorist anti-nazi. Before he was even in power he had a squad of men that inflicted political violence. I have learned a little from reading about the rise of Hitler and the break of WW2.
I still think your perspective reguarding the patriot act is extreme. But I agree small steps build up to somewhere over time.

Admit it .....

You saw "the Pianist" ....

Opens your eyes how those taken for granted freedom ( or rights! from "Charter of Rights") can be taken away so slowly but so surely...
to finally execute over 6 millions Jews and other "undesirable" to the government ...

i laugh out loud every time they say these things were used for FOOD TESTING.

hahaha

quite funny sounding. Buried mobile chem labs for testing food. Makes sense.

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Come on man, I drive a mobile chemical lab around to insure my burgerking whoppers are safe:winkwink:

You would not believe the results that my mobile chem lab shows for our whoppers. I can barely make myself eat them!

they have to test the food the OIL FOR FOOD sends them

So this means they had chemical weapons?
We all knew that...
Were is the smoking gun? It's 12 years old, not working and on the bottem of the river...
Still finding ways to justify a war... The UN was right I guess?
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Prehaps Sadam doesn't realize that unlike him most countries don't kill people by lacing food with posion

And it was Hitler that wanted to police the entire World...
Just like the Romans...

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Or you his. :thumbsup

don't like cock...

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I see...you have been experimenting.