WHat if I'm old school, too lazy to be new school but smart enough to have hired new school guys to take care of that part of the business? I'm I half lame then? =]

nope mark you are then a "beautiful people"

hahahhahah


where are those sexy see through diamond studded glasses.

LOL hahhahahha

oh christ, I've been exposed by an indonesian, young boy chasing, beach bum.
:winkwink:

they're called LadyBoys, or Katoeys... let's get the terminology right damn you people

Pay sites are still the money engine of the adult internet.

Apparently what TGP'ers have learned is that it's good to put up a page full of links consisting of teaser photos which, when you click on them, blind link to another TGP.

Brilliant.

free porn does fuck up the business. anyone can figure that out, but there's nothing that can really be done about it. just gotta go with the flow.

more competition will always hurt.

The problem is most adult webmasters start out as porn surfers. when they first build a TGP, they build what they were looking for when they were surfers instead of what makes money.

Oh Lordie, I've heard this quoted so many times. Frankly, I don't think most of you will last 6 months anyway.

As for belief in what ways work and the argument about it?

Welcome to 4 years ago. I hate to quote him, but I will... "There is nothing new under the sun that webmasters can do" Brad "The Bastard" Shaw.

I somewhat agree with stocktrader, too often we see these old timers coming and talking about shit that nobody cares about, they are living in the past and holding on to these memories of when they use to "be on top". Its fairly sad as most of these people are only a legend in there own mind. If they had made as much money as most of them claim daily, they should of long retired but instead they keep putting out there boiler plate sites and cursing the younger guys who are making better sites that they end up copying anyways. (bangbus, cumfiesta, collegefuckfest) etc.

Porn is evolving into a business that is owned more by younger people, We are starting to see a phasing out of alot of the older "legends"..

Who really wants to be in there 40's and say they own a porn site anyways? You will be known as the block pervert and the guy that has one pair of jogging pants.

Damn you Ant, you beat me to it.

uh, we see a whole lot more of the "look at the cool rims I bought for my Geo" newbies than we do the hasbeens. :321GFY

I don't know of a single legend who's made less than younger guys. I guess its good for you kids to think that though.

The same guys who were able to buy and sell you since day one. :winkwink:

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I will bring you some cookies and milk when you are sitting in the nursing home remembering the good ol days with serge and bradshaw :winkwink:

someone (we won't mention names) told me today that I'm terrified of all the new scripted CJ TGPs out there lol

would marc de be considered a 'younger guy'?

I dont know who told you, but You should be to a degree, Have you seen JennysBookmarks.com lately? Grew to about 350k in about a month and a Half. Trades with alot of the same sites you do, I realize the traffic may not be the same calibre as yours, but even so, you are getting the traffic.

Another Example, SexOcean, Everyone cried Hitbot when they take over the sextracker rankings, all newly scripted etc, I am not saying you are terrified, but its not a good sign for things to come.

Hey " Old School Guys!!!! "

I am somewhat new and would love the help and advice!!!

Any new person that thinks that they can not learn from you is stupid!!!

There is nothing wrong with a new guy taking someone information, help ( given freely ) and expanding on it. But the new guys need to remember one thing. There is one reason that OLD SCHOOL is still here! :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

Am I right??

some people are worried about the clicks - more and more of the older sites now are starting to count ONLY productive traffic on trades - fuck the raw count.

The love affair with counter stats and conversion ratios continues lol -- glad to see you guys moving on --

but OUR love affair continues right kimmy???????

That will be nice.

Absolutely sweetheart, I've never considered anything but the number of zeros BEFORE the decimal point on a check to be relevant. ;)

i know i fear the "scripts" but i do have 5 pair of jogging pants, so i think it all balances out.

Kimmy,

I can can count on one hand, the newbies that came onto my board back in the day that made it really big. Some made it mediocre, make a good living, some stayed where they were, happy with the money the made.

95% of them are gone, never to be seen again. You think just cause there's new ways to move traffic (which isn't really that new, ask Colin) around or different ways to market paysites is gonna change anything?

Delusional. What is the definition of Insanity?

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Now you've got me doing a mental roll call of the people on that board back then lol

Kimmy, you are one of the few that made something out of nothing. :thumbsup :thumbsup

haha, I wasnt attacking you or any people that own freesites, we are like one huge family :winkwink: Was aimed more at program owners

absolutely, its all fun man :)

Another green horn obviously. Here today, gone tomorrow.

That's only because you consider everyone who got started in this biz after you a n00b :)

I'll be the first to stand up and say that he doesn't.

I'm just being facetious :)
And his "for the next 4 hours I'll answer etc" thread is an all-time classic.

Man do you know how many Newbies have come and gone? I can only think of a TINY handful who have made it to the upper echelons.

Most newbies, come on like a super nova, then fade out. There are literally thousands of people who came in thinking they were going to light the world on fire, and are now back working at McDonalds, hiding from the state child support services....

Old School webmasters tend be conserative because they are established and have more to lose - but I think they also have the resources, and ability to reinvent themselves. I see it all the time.

Of course some Old School Webmasters have so much money, they do not give a shit....

Likewise my dear. :)

hahahahahah
uh-uh-uh!

there is an good Russian experession:
"Fool gets richer in his dreams"
;-)))

Most of the guys who have been in this biz for a long time have diversified into a lot of deals besides adult entertainment. Even in the 900 business which I focused on for well over a decade we made more money from our non-adult programs then the adult ones. The adult stuff has always been and still is loads of fun. I guess growing up in the generation when Playboy first started every kid wanted to be like Hefner one day, with the mansion, the girls, the carefree lifestyle.

I personally like people new in the biz. They bring fresh creative and innovative ideas to the table. I try to surround myself with as many young partners as possible. Most of my partners in my adult and non-adult businesses are in there 20's and 30's. They also have way more energy.

I do think TGP's are beneficial in many ways and detrimental in others. The best things TGP's have done is flood the Internet with free porn. Some would say this is not good for our industry. I disagree in that it facilitated massive amounts of new porn addicts. Yes they won't make anyone a dime now, but one day they will buy something as the cravings get more and more fixated on each person's particular niche fantasies that satisfy them. Porn is like what guys selling drugs do to open new markets. You have to hook new customers in with free tries.
Once they get a taste of it, they are addicted and want more to satisfy their cravings which become insatiable for most.

On the negative side, I think TGP's could accomplish the same result if they would limit the amount of pics that enlarge. Even cutting back to half of the thumbs on a page requiring membership would enhance sells. So many guys are only hurting their bottom line by giving more away than they need to.

Debbie Fields of Mrs. Fields cookies is famous for saying "All it takes is one sample of my freshly baked cookies and I've got a new customer."

Also, on the negatie side, TGP's become a fixation for many webmasters. So instead of broadening their marketing horizons they get locked into I got build more and more galleries. There are a lot of other ways out there to generate traffic and revenues.
You can also take the base traffic you already have and refine your conversion rates.

Anyway, to me, the more newb's the better. It makes us old timers stay on our toes, and I for one enjoy the challenge of boxing in the marketplace with them. Keeps the game exciting and fun.

The best advice to you new guys is as soon as you start making money diversify and invest in non-adult businesses also so you have income coming in from all sorts of deals.

And whatever you do never ever qive up and quit. Persistence is the key to success in any business.

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Hey Pipecrew;

What better hobby could an oldtimer ask for?

It sure beats lawn bowling.

It's sure great to know that the future of this business is alive and well with the younger crowd and with people like you at the forefront ready to lead them into a new "dimension of sight and sound".

ROFLMAO

I've seen many webmasters come and go.

Things change a little but not much.

If you newbies know whats up then you would be sending traffic to our download plus program.
for our one way messanger. cause you don't lose traffic and you make a shit load. why is it all the old school guys are pushing it and not the newbies? maybe because they have traffic?

you could be Old school or New school but if you don't have traffic. who the fuck cares

I prefer gym shorts - it is hot where I live

awww yeah, nothing like a little spam in a serious thread!! that will answer all newbie money problems, All newbies reading this, SIGNUP NOW!!!!

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