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pornJester 04-15-2003 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by abraxas
all i have to say is that if you think ppl shouldn't be allowed to protest and disagree with the decisions their government makes well, your thinking fits in perfect in places like iraq where they are not allowed that freedom. freedom of speech is a beautiful thing. its allows us our jobs in part...
In this case the hippies should be happy. Are we not trying to free Iraq from the bonds of regime control so they can have hippie protesters of their very own? How long do we have to beat around the bush with corrupt leaders before it's time to use brute force. Maybe the hippies should go hang out on the Iraqi borders with anti-regime signs if they care so much about the Iraqi people. Or do they just care about the American soldiers who's lives were sacraficed? In that case they could care less about the Iraqi people and that would make them a bunch of humanitarian hippie-crits.

gaywebbiz 04-15-2003 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by pornJester


Ok hippie, so you think the Iraqi people were better off before?

Perhaps you should ask him:


http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.c.../413736133.jpg

Ali Ismail Abbas, 12, wounded during an airstrike according to hospital sources, lies in a hospital bed in Baghdad, April 6, 2003. Abbas was fast asleep when war shattered his life. A missile obliterated his home and most of his family, leaving him orphaned, badly burned and blowing off both his arms. 'It was midnight when the missile fell on us. My father, my mother and my brother died. My mother was five months pregnant,' the traumatized boy told Reuters at Baghdad's Kindi hospital. 'Our neighbors pulled me out and brought me here. I was unconscious,' he said on Sunday.

galleryseek 04-15-2003 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by gaywebbiz


Perhaps you should ask him:


yeah, or maybe ask the hundreds of thousands of others killed / torchered by iraq.

Joe Sixpack 04-15-2003 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by gaywebbiz


Perhaps you should ask him:


http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.c.../413736133.jpg

Ali Ismail Abbas, 12, wounded during an airstrike according to hospital sources, lies in a hospital bed in Baghdad, April 6, 2003. Abbas was fast asleep when war shattered his life. A missile obliterated his home and most of his family, leaving him orphaned, badly burned and blowing off both his arms. 'It was midnight when the missile fell on us. My father, my mother and my brother died. My mother was five months pregnant,' the traumatized boy told Reuters at Baghdad's Kindi hospital. 'Our neighbors pulled me out and brought me here. I was unconscious,' he said on Sunday.

The kid needed to be liberated.

You won't see him complaining when at some point in the future he'll be able to enjoy a juicy, wholesome Big Mac just just like the rest of us here in the first world can!

Of course he'll need someone to feed it to him....

playa 04-15-2003 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by gaywebbiz


Perhaps you should ask him:



ask him what happen to his grandfather when the iraqi police arrested him,

Saddam has killed more people before he takes a piss in the morning than the total dropped bombs.

Did you seriously think there wouldn't of been any civilian causulties when they purpose put military weapons in schools and hospitals

rooster 04-15-2003 12:46 AM

the far left will never look at anything logically. Its not worth the time to try to get them to do anything but spin.

pornJester 04-15-2003 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by gaywebbiz


Perhaps you should ask him:


http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.c.../413736133.jpg

Ali Ismail Abbas, 12, wounded during an airstrike according to hospital sources, lies in a hospital bed in Baghdad, April 6, 2003. Abbas was fast asleep when war shattered his life. A missile obliterated his home and most of his family, leaving him orphaned, badly burned and blowing off both his arms. 'It was midnight when the missile fell on us. My father, my mother and my brother died. My mother was five months pregnant,' the traumatized boy told Reuters at Baghdad's Kindi hospital. 'Our neighbors pulled me out and brought me here. I was unconscious,' he said on Sunday.

We all feel for this kid but casualties of war are inevitable. For this one kid there were probably hundreds released from Iraqi prisons for believing in something other than what Saddam wanted them to.

UnseenWorld 04-15-2003 01:29 AM

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Originally posted by gaywebbiz


Perhaps you should ask him:


http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.c.../413736133.jpg


You're of the mind that it would be okay to let Saddam starve another 400K children (while building fantastic palaces for himself) just so the we could keep our hands clean and hurt no one? War is not pretty and there's no way to do it to keep our little handies clean. Sorry. What does count in the long run, when you're dealing with aggregates of people is what works out best for the most in the long run. On the whole, the Iraqis seem happy to be free of Saddam. Are there people who got hurt? Of course. Could Saddam have been negotiated out of power? Dream on.

bhutocracy 04-15-2003 01:48 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld



You're of the mind that it would be okay to let Saddam starve another 400K children (while building fantastic palaces for himself) just so the we could keep our hands clean and hurt no one? War is not pretty and there's no way to do it to keep our little handies clean. Sorry. What does count in the long run, when you're dealing with aggregates of people is what works out best for the most in the long run. On the whole, the Iraqis seem happy to be free of Saddam. Are there people who got hurt? Of course. Could Saddam have been negotiated out of power? Dream on.

our hands aren't entirely clean of those 400k kids.. they wouldn't have starved if we hadn't have forced sanctions on them.. I mean hey I know Saddam could have forgone some gold finishings and whatnot, but what do you expect from a brutal dictator?.. when Madelene Albright was asked whether the death of 400k kids was worth the sanctions she said "yes, it's worth it".


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