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I don't get why Mac users get so defensive about their computers.

Someone could say my comp sucked and I wouldn't care at all.

more than aware.

i bleed audio.

i used to get a good recording on an old Marantz 4 track recorder back in the day, that dont make you pro.

as I said, if i was arguing audio, i already showed you a Hans Studer 24 inch ANALOG recorder above, any REAL PRO AUDIO educated person would know, thats the way to go.

analog over digital.

but if im gonna argue mac over pc in the same field, its gonna be mac.

and ill tell ya, I was using PC audio based software back in 93. Ive been around both PC based and Mac based audio for more than a decade. I use PC for some programs, like Acid Pro, and a few others, but as far as plug ins, I prefer mac TDMs man.

i can remember saving up coins for Cakewalk studio 1. PC ONLY back then.

Ive already mentioned me using Atari St's, and PC a decade ago for electronic music, I speak from EXPERIENCE man.

Here is another more recent article.

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2...acvspciii2.htm

damn, I just assumed they were good quality. Mac used trinitron's in their CRT range, so I assumed they wouldn't go proprietry, well not that they have.. but i thought they might stick with a good manufacturer.

I had an atari ST.. cool shit.

Legacy of Apple is seeding infant technologies and when the equipment becomes commoditized Apple screws their user base and pretends the technology is uncool or never existed.

Apple stopped being cool the day Microsoft held free shows and gave away CDs full of programming tools to coders. Maybe Apple will coax a few wayward coders back. But with the explosion of open source code, archaic closed platforms like the Mac and PC are aging fast.

Yep, well it's a common assumption but wrong. :winkwink:

The Waves plug-ins are unbelievable IMO, but my only point is that it's not a b@w issue as far as choosing PC or mac for audio now, it's just a matter of preference (or finances) at this point. Even if I had the money to get a ProTools system, from my own experience & preference I wouldn't. I get the job done quickly & efficiently on Vegas. I just use my studio to record my own music & I do voice over work from time to time. It does the job, it sounds great, I'm happy with it, bottom line.

i have never let price get in my way when it comes to pro audio.

i have sound libraries that cost more than a mac or pc.

I have Akai sample discs, that are neither mac or pc, but AKAI, and cost 300 bucks for 2 discs of samples. I have sound libraries with $2k license to use them, you think im gonna care about the price difference between mac and pc? I buy mac because I prefer it.

Why you claim pro tools out of your reach? its pc now too, so that argument is dead.

its not about price, its about what is preferred as you said.

i wonder how many of the big sponsors are useing macs in their offices

all mac here.

just bought myself the 23" HD Cinema Display... there is no pc equivalent for this monitor :)

we switched for security reasons... pc's are too insecure. it really doesnt matter how you convince yourself or even if you run firewall software etc..etc.... there are so many security holes... so much spyware.. so many virii etc..etc..

so we started looking at moving to a unix based system. linux was nice cause it was free and ran on x86 architecture but we didnt want to have to play "developer" and it's difficult to pick hardware that is linux compatible.. so mac was the next logical choice.

we all have copies of virtual pc so before we launch a site we can see how a pc user views the site.

i love my apple... some of our employees were joking and came up with a new commercial.

"Hi, my name is xyz... and i switched so that i coiuld keep my job." :)

mmmm...analog tape recorder...for that warm fuzzy sounding music

Well usually for design, the macintosh is always the weapon of choice but it cost a little bit more ... but you do have more bang for the bucks. The Macintoshs are developped towards the design community therefor the architecture inside is optimized for graphic apps. :thumbsup

...it always strikes me as weird when people start going on about costs, and how they're PC computer is so much cheaper than mine, so is their fucking house, what do I care - why boast about their lack of success.

Nobody comes up to me and says "ha, fuck you, my trainers are so cheap compared to yours", why they feel the need to bring it up in relation to computers is bizarre.

yeah in a way you are right. Macs are less prone to viruses cause most viruses are made to attack pcs.

Apple is a stong supporter of the open source movement. There are many linux/unix apps that have been ported to work on OSX.

System 9 and prior versions of the Mac OS could be a nightmare, was never as bad as Win95/98 were or are. There isn't an OS out there that can match what OSX has going on right now.

I have no issue with PC hardware. I'm just no a big fan of Windows and Linux is a pain in the ass compared to the ease of OSX.

I just installed OSX on my old Powerbook. It takes up almost the entire 4 gig HD, so there isn't much I can do with it...but surf the internet. My girl is pretty selfish. We've got a new TiBook and a dual G4 that she loves more than she loves me.

It all comes down to preferrence in my book, but I find that most Mac haters haven't spent any time with the new OS. If they had, we wouldn't be seeing these stupid arguments.

Anyone who pays attention probably knows how I feel about this.

?4L

Because as Fletch illustrated, audio equipment is extremely expensive. I'd rather spend my money on continually upgrading my keyboards/workstations, new mics, monitors, etc. then waste it on a mac system that I don't even like. It's my preference to work on PC, I've worked on 4 macs for long periods of time & didn't like any of them. I've worked out of several world-class recording studios as a graphic designer & CD Duplication service and saw ProTools in action & even used it myself. Like I said I work quicker & get better results in a PC environment, so why waste money on a bulky, monster system that just hinders my workflow? And FletchXXX, it's pretty much common knowledge that ProTools for PC sucks. It's a proprietary system (which is another thing I don't like about it) & it's meant for the MAC.

is there any tgp submission software for the mac?

Unfortunately, no. However, the PC software runs in VirtualPC. Since VPC is only slow when it comes to video, etc., its perfect for little apps like that.

I would have never guessed.

I wonder why?

Your insne if you dont edit your dv on a mac.
NOTHING equals Final Cut Pro. Nothing

One important note. If you had a Mac prior to OS X it is not the same thing. OS X is Unix with a Mac GUI. Rock solid as Unix is.

As to why use a Mac if you need to run Windows apps. If all your apps run best in Windows stay with it. However if you have some apps that run in Windows and others that will run better native of a Mac you can have the best of both world on a Mac.

Most importantly the Mac is stable. One of our major graphics people needed to rebuild his XP machine every few months due to corruption of the OS, I needed to do it annually. He has gone a compleet year with out a problem on a G4 I am hoping never to see the blue screen of death again.

i got a powerbook now and lately on my pc the thing keeps on shutting off by itself. i might just order a dual g4 today and go mac all the way

Do it man join the club and become a real MacPimp. Keep hope alive!:ak47:

just a function of being the tiny minority.. not many mac script kiddies making virii, although it does happen occasionally.. if mac took over they would be getting just as pounded.

LOL, thats simply and 100% not true, if you knew anything about the architecture you'd know that. Plus the WHOLE point is that mac don't give you the same bang for te buck PCs do.

because when you are actually running a business and realise that you can get the same performance for 10% less cost you do it. bottom lines don't give a fuck about boasting. Only idiots would boast about paying more for the same thing for no other reason than it was more expensive.

fuck yeah.. that was the best thing apple has ever done. Previously to that they were faily horrible stability wise, they still have problems though, when you work in an environment with at least 10 of each machines you'll see that they're really not any better or worse - it averages out, you can go a year without a problem on any individual PC or Mac, go it a room full of them and you'll here as many MacOS rebooting sounds as PC freezes.

is there anything major that Mac can do, which no PC can perform any faster?


if you think there is, you're mistaken.. with all the PC hardware technology out there, you can build some serious kick-ass systems.. not to mention the variety of software that is available..

I agree. PC :ak47: Mac.

1) open a webdav folder
2) print to an ip based printer
3) refresh my 23" Cinema Display
4) boot up
5) install any zeroconf network or network appliance
6) run a perl program
7) do a portscan of any other computer
8) do a whois on any domain or ip range
9) open a secure shell
10) share your system via ssh, ftp, http, smb or afp
11) join a wireless network
12) stop popups
13) actually watch an entire 3 hour dvd on the plane without havint to recharge or buy extra batteries
14) share, publish and subscribe to calendars

But most importantly.. as a mac use i can turn off windows when i'm done suffering.. i mean testing... :)


i'm sure i could go on and i'm sure you'd continue to find excuses like "i can portscan just as fast on a pc'... cept you dont factor in the fact that because mac is unix based you have the ENTIRE unix platform and standard binaries available to you whereas with a windows system you dont actually have any of those tools available to you.

Arguing with people who use pc's and genuinely believe they are better is kinda like trying to convince an idiot terrorist that allah isnt the way.... it just doesnt work.

Aren't you assuming that everyone with a PC is running windows?

Ellen likes Mac.

http://www.rustedpuffin.com/ellen.jpg

yes. but only because of the attitude... and because most people who install *nix on a x86 architecture dont usually refer to themselves as pc users.. but rather as linux users.

That has to be the best reason I have ever heard. I might have to pick up another powerbook this week.

If only they would have you argue for them more often Labret.:glugglug

I have a new g4 osx and it pisses me off. I mean I like it but the mouse is so fucking slow it makes it unbearable. I downloaded the speed hacks for it, pathetic. Now its fast and jerky. weeee, great.

Sad, the only thing that prevents me from using it is the fucking mouse. 4 grand down the shitter.

well that and a complete and utter lack of mac warez.

Hahahaha! It's funny you say that. I was gonna buy a 15 inch g4 tommorrow just for the hell of it. It's kinda sexy and travels well. The only thing that is making me think twice is the fact that I can't right click with the mouse to get shit done the same way.


But it's either the G4 or this Ailienware lapdog with the Chameleon cover upgrade.

I have hyperthreading on all of my boxes and desktop and it really rocks! So now I am not picky about which OS I use for a laptop until they come with hyperthreading. Until then, mac/xp, it's all the same.

I just wish the mouse action was up to par.:(

If you want to right-click on a mac, plug a two (or three...) button mouse into it. Multiple buttons are supported by the OS.

The single button is to keep things simple for new users, and users who don't need multiple buttons. Apple tried to find a balance between power users and non-technical new users, and I think they do a good job.

actually i have found that mac warez is easier to find then pc warez.Also how fast do you want the mouse to be it seems pretty fast to me when you have the hacks