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Robbie · 03-07-2017, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You only need insurance if you end up in the hospital for something serious.

That's the way it always was...until ObamaCare kicked in and the medical industry had to change the way they do business.
Now if you go to the doctor with a headache...the first thing they do is ask for your insurance card.

Robbie · 03-07-2017, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Preventative care mitigizes and/or prevents a catastrophic event.

Preventative care is:

Regular checkups
Blood tests
Seeing a specialist
Medication

Which should all be affordable enough to easily pay out of pocket.

And if you think that most red-blooded American men EVER want to go to the doctor unless they absolutely have to...then you're crazy. lol
Doesn't matter if all doctors were suddenly 100% free for everyone tomorrow.
Us guys would STILL avoid them like the plague.

crockett · 03-07-2017, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That's the way it always was...until ObamaCare kicked in and the medical industry had to change the way they do business.
Now if you go to the doctor with a headache...the first thing they do is ask for your insurance card.

Jesus fucking Christ you live in a fairyland. Doctors have been asking for insurance for the 40+ years I've been alive but in the world according to Robbie, it's only since Obama..

crockett · 03-07-2017, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The House passed bill will not pass the Senate probably and the Senate will offer a competing bill. This will most likely take years 7 takeaways from the GOP health care plan to replace Obamacare | PolitiFact

If this is Trump's 'fantastic' healthcare for America then America will slide back. Obama care was intended to be ( or I had hoped to be) transitional. If the Republicans break it they will own it along with the political fallout.

It's gonna be called Republicare so they have to fucking own it.

Robbie · 03-07-2017, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Just like when obamacare was created it's gonna be a bu'ch'of political grandstanding and drama.

I don't remember that at all.
Matter of fact, Congress and the Senate weren't even ALLOWED to see the ObamaCare bill until AFTER they voted it into law.

Remember Pelosi famously saying: "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it"?

No drama, no political grandstanding. It was passed without being read by the Democrats in the Senate and the House without a single Republican vote for it.

Nobody had the chance to grandstand because they didn't have a clue what was in it.

Probably one of the biggest derelictions of duty in the history of our govt.
Especially as it impacted 1/6th of our economy.

Yeah...AFTER it was voted into law...THEN the Republicans rightfully raised hell.

And two years later...the beginning of the end for the Democrat Party started in the 2010 election as they began losing seats.

Pres. Obama had promised that the writing of the health care law was going to be televised LIVE on CSPAN and that there would be a website with daily updates and the bill laid out for people to read AS it was being written.
That turned out to all be lies as we know now. The whole thing was written in total secrecy and never vetted by our elected representatives beforehand.

That's why the thing has failed so spectacularly. The math was insane.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-08-2017, 02:09 AM

Tax Credits under the Affordable Care Act vs. the American Health Care Act: An Interactive Map | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Interesting calculator to see the possible financial outcome for you. If your payroll income or net business profit is over $50K you are a winner. The tax credits are age dependent. But if you are over 60 you will pay 5X the lowest rate it says here https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-cliff/518769/ So in the end game, that chart I posted may be a good estimate -- even if you win the tax credit game you will lose the insurance rate game.

Price of poker is going up and the insurers are going to end up the winners.

There are lots of ways to take the publics' money without raising taxes or levying a new tax -- this is a good example. Thanks Trump ...

Paul Markham · 03-08-2017, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Here Robbie is straight out of the gate with lies. Obamacare is not collapsing. Insurance companies just don't like it because they are forced to cover everyone and they don't make as much profit. The simple solution is single pay & kick the insurance companies to the curb..

Single pay, say into a Government run scheme, won't solve the problem. The problem is the costs apart from Insurance Companies. The Government has to control the cost on every level.

Barry-xlovecam · 03-08-2017, 05:58 AM

Our medical professionals need to to take a pay cut of 50%

that will go over big I am sure.

The GOP healthcare will allow healthcare insurance executive salaries paid between $500,001 and $1,000,000 to be 100% deductible as expense like all US corporations are able to do now -- this will cost $600 million more over the next 10 years. Guess who will get to pay for this?

bronco67 · 03-08-2017, 06:38 AM

The more I hear about the details of this plan, the funnier it all becomes.

A tax credit for insurance executives making over $500,000? What the fuck is that all about?

Why don't Republicans just admit that they're more interested in killing Obamacare than coming with something for the people they claim to represent? They farted this plan in a month so they could justify repealing ACA, but it looks like a tax break for rich people and says fuck you to everyone else.

PR_Glen · 03-08-2017, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

The more I hear about the details of this plan, the funnier it all becomes.

A tax credit for insurance executives making over $500,000? What the fuck is that all about?

Why don't Republicans just admit that they're more interested in killing Obamacare than coming with something for the people they claim to represent? They farted this plan in a month so they could justify repealing ACA, but it looks like a tax break for rich people and says fuck you to everyone else.

Why don't you realize that this is not a partisan issue? This is not solvable within a few weeks no matter who is in office or which side writes it up. It just needs to be a step in a positive direction and amended along the way until it is functional. That can't happen without all sides of congress working together. Right now it just needs to be two things. Affordable to all and not leave people shut out in the process. This can't happen without serious reform in medical and pharmaceutical costs first though.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-08-2017, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I don't remember that at all.
Matter of fact, Congress and the Senate weren't even ALLOWED to see the ObamaCare bill until AFTER they voted it into law.

Remember Pelosi famously saying: "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it"?

No drama, no political grandstanding. It was passed without being read by the Democrats in the Senate and the House without a single Republican vote for it.

Nobody had the chance to grandstand because they didn't have a clue what was in it.

Probably one of the biggest derelictions of duty in the history of our govt.
Especially as it impacted 1/6th of our economy.

Yeah...AFTER it was voted into law...THEN the Republicans rightfully raised hell.

And two years later...the beginning of the end for the Democrat Party started in the 2010 election as they began losing seats.

Pres. Obama had promised that the writing of the health care law was going to be televised LIVE on CSPAN and that there would be a website with daily updates and the bill laid out for people to read AS it was being written.
That turned out to all be lies as we know now. The whole thing was written in total secrecy and never vetted by our elected representatives beforehand.

That's why the thing has failed so spectacularly. The math was insane.

Also, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor promise

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-08-2017, 09:01 AM

The problem is all the goddam illegals who get free care and all the subsides for poor people who have shitty genetics who constantly get "Free" care and medication so of course the companies are going to price gauge

AndyA · 03-08-2017, 09:03 AM

It comes down to this.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE....

I trust the Dems and I don't trust the republicans. I truly feel the DEMS have the best interest of the little guy... and the republicans have their donors best interests like the NRA, insurance companies, energy companies, pharmaceutical companies etc

that's it in a nutshell... I don't own any of the companies the republicans support

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-08-2017, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyA

It comes down to this.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE....

I trust the Dems and I don't trust the republicans. I truly feel the DEMS have the best interest of the little guy... and the republicans have their donors best interests like the NRA, insurance companies, energy companies, pharmaceutical companies etc

that's it in a nutshell... I don't own any of the companies the republicans support

LOL who in the fuck cares what you think?

I like the yankees and the red sox suck! WAHH

Busty2 · 03-08-2017, 09:16 AM

I left the UK for America 20 years ago. There is a huge misunderstanding re the UK healthcare system, it's not free, not by any stretch of the imagination. When i left i was paying around 40% tax on my income and another $2000.00 a month National Insurance. National Insurance covered pensions and health care. Now 20 years ago $2000.00 a month was a lot of money, even today it's a lot but it was based on my earnings in the film industry.

The system worked and i paid zero for medication or Dr visits, Vision or Dentistry.
I didn't have any hospital bills but if i did they would have been free. The downside of the UK system was it could take years to have any non life threatening surgery like hip replacement etc.
I believe something like that could work here, those that earn the highest salary pay a higher % towards health care and those on low salary less.

AndyA · 03-08-2017, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

LOL who in the fuck cares what you think?

I like the yankees and the red sox suck! WAHH

JohnnyCakes,

Your mother seems to really care about what I think because last night when I was fucking her face she kept screaming about what a cunt her son was

I didn't listen I just kept donkey punching her

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-08-2017, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyA

JohnnyCakes,

Your mother seems to really care about what I think because last night when I was fucking her face she kept screaming about what a cunt her son was

I didn't listen I just kept donkey punching her

I'm reporting you to the mods

AndyA · 03-08-2017, 09:21 AM

JohnnyCakes

nobody gives a FUCK what you think around here or probably anywhere.... NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT SOME CLOWN POSTING PRO TRUMP SHIT ALL THE TIME

you fucking cunt

AndyA · 03-08-2017, 09:22 AM

Sure report me to Eric LOL

your a fucking ass clown... fuck you and your stupid fucking posts...

Busty2 · 03-08-2017, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

I'm reporting you to the mods

crockett · 03-08-2017, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Single pay, say into a Government run scheme, won't solve the problem. The problem is the costs apart from Insurance Companies. The Government has to control the cost on every level.

Yes and Republicans fight that at every turn.. However we already have proof of working concept.. Medicare works just fine, all we need is Medicare for everyone. Medicare already controls the prices they pay.. The biggest issues with Medicare is when Hospitals/Doctors try to bill fraudulently but they do that with insurance companies as well..

If we had Medicare for everyone, covering the basic health care stuff people could then get gap insurance or something like that to "upgrade" their polices if they wanted to..

The only problem with healthcare in the US, is it's been turn into a "for profit" industry, where profit is more important that people's health.

03-08-2017, 06:38 AM	#59
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,035	The more I hear about the details of this plan, the funnier it all becomes. A tax credit for insurance executives making over $500,000? What the fuck is that all about? Why don't Republicans just admit that they're more interested in killing Obamacare than coming with something for the people they claim to represent? They farted this plan in a month so they could justify repealing ACA, but it looks like a tax break for rich people and says fuck you to everyone else. __________________

03-08-2017, 02:09 AM	#56
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Tax Credits under the Affordable Care Act vs. the American Health Care Act: An Interactive Map \| The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation Interesting calculator to see the possible financial outcome for you. If your payroll income or net business profit is over $50K you are a winner. The tax credits are age dependent. But if you are over 60 you will pay 5X the lowest rate it says here https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-cliff/518769/ So in the end game, that chart I posted may be a good estimate -- even if you win the tax credit game you will lose the insurance rate game. Price of poker is going up and the insurers are going to end up the winners. There are lots of ways to take the publics' money without raising taxes or levying a new tax -- this is a good example. Thanks Trump ...

03-08-2017, 05:58 AM	#58
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Our medical professionals need to to take a pay cut of 50% that will go over big I am sure. The GOP healthcare will allow healthcare insurance executive salaries paid between $500,001 and $1,000,000 to be 100% deductible as expense like all US corporations are able to do now -- this will cost $600 million more over the next 10 years. Guess who will get to pay for this?

03-08-2017, 09:01 AM	#62
JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE Trump! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Rent free in Bladewire's head Posts: 6,442	The problem is all the goddam illegals who get free care and all the subsides for poor people who have shitty genetics who constantly get "Free" care and medication so of course the companies are going to price gauge

03-08-2017, 09:03 AM	#63
AndyA So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa, Fl. Posts: 1,670	It comes down to this.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.... I trust the Dems and I don't trust the republicans. I truly feel the DEMS have the best interest of the little guy... and the republicans have their donors best interests like the NRA, insurance companies, energy companies, pharmaceutical companies etc that's it in a nutshell... I don't own any of the companies the republicans support

03-08-2017, 09:16 AM	#65
Busty2 Member since 1999 Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Off the Amalfi coast Posts: 7,202	I left the UK for America 20 years ago. There is a huge misunderstanding re the UK healthcare system, it's not free, not by any stretch of the imagination. When i left i was paying around 40% tax on my income and another $2000.00 a month National Insurance. National Insurance covered pensions and health care. Now 20 years ago $2000.00 a month was a lot of money, even today it's a lot but it was based on my earnings in the film industry. The system worked and i paid zero for medication or Dr visits, Vision or Dentistry. I didn't have any hospital bills but if i did they would have been free. The downside of the UK system was it could take years to have any non life threatening surgery like hip replacement etc. I believe something like that could work here, those that earn the highest salary pay a higher % towards health care and those on low salary less.

03-08-2017, 09:21 AM	#68
AndyA So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa, Fl. Posts: 1,670	JohnnyCakes nobody gives a FUCK what you think around here or probably anywhere.... NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT SOME CLOWN POSTING PRO TRUMP SHIT ALL THE TIME you fucking cunt

03-08-2017, 09:22 AM	#69
AndyA So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Tampa, Fl. Posts: 1,670	Sure report me to Eric LOL your a fucking ass clown... fuck you and your stupid fucking posts...