Once again - we all know WHY, we all know the facts - worry about the end results instead of plugging up the obvious events - if he could buy 100million dollar palaces and illegally sell billions in oil - whats the point of hurting the Iraqi people? the Sanctions only made his dictatorship stronger by centralising the food distribution and making people reliant on the regime, plus people got to blame the west for 10 years for their situation breeding terrorist sentiment.. yay.

Don't you guys down under need oil too? You make it sound like we're the only ones who consume oil.

lol, you nonce - how could it possibly give me credibility? it's like leaving out the existance of the letter "z" in this argument. christ.

We consume oil but I don't think its right to kill and wage war to get it.

I'd rather pay a little more. So would my conscience.

While the sanctions obviously hurt the Iraqis it also hindered his ability to amass a much bigger force and many more weapons then he had.

It worked both ways. If he would have done the right thing the sanctions would have been lifted. He didn't, so they weren't. It's that fucking simple.

hell yeah we want some of the goodies - the US and Australia are about the biggest consumers of oil per capita in the world, don't get "us and them" about anything I'm saying here.. we helped out we want our little share :)

Oh to be young innocent and naive again.

This is not downtown LA, I think this is the biggest mistake you all make. Let the people decide is the shout now. Like the people of Iran decided?

Put a geriatric muller in charge and take the country back 200 years.

The war was easy to win, the peace will be a nightmare, I think the best thing for the US/UK is to pull out and give it to the UN. Then when it turns to shit they can turn around and say "We did the hard bit, not our fault you could not manage it"

Stop thinking these people are like the guys that live in the projects, just a bit poorer and you may have a chance to understand them.

meh.. it doesn't have to be so black and white, there could have been a very specific scaling back of the sanctions - there was a lot of medical equipment and whatnot that could have been released, and we or our AID proxies should have been in control of the food distrobution. I wouldn't have been relying on a cold blooded killer to take 5 star care of his people in such a tight situation - it never helped us - the more people that hate us the more terror we have to deal with. We also could have gone in sooner before he had the time to build up his forces with the extra cash.

They adjusted the sanctions more then once, then came up with the oil for food program. It didn't matter. They weren't going to get the resources no matter what they did.

Also don't forget that the sanctions were UN. Not US, I'm not sure if it was you but I've seen US/UN sanctions in more then one post on this thread. They were UN Sanctions.

:). They were US sanctions with a UN mask - the US was practically the only country to enforce the Sanctions within the UN with a little help from a few UK vetoes. let's be frank - It was US Sanctions with the veneer of the UN. Part of the reason for wanting a delay before we went into Iraq was for wanting to go in under the guise of the UN.. it's like the glove a surgeon wears, about the only function it's good for us (in a war situation).

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What the fuck ever, america is the great evil super beast out to consume and rape the flesh of the world.

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All the media is forced by US military to hide the great american evil plan.

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No matter what the fuck happens some fucking conspiracy anti-american moron is going to have some lame ass theory based on twisted fact or conspiracy theory.

-Every person that takes goverment office learns their role to keep billions of people unknowing of the top secert evil US plan to conquer the world. How do they do this? I think they implant mind control microchips in their brains. The media has US mind conrol devices in their brains as well.

-They are so effective in brain washing the people they actually can take a complex secert plan and make it sound 10x as logical and simple. This is done by programming the microchips in people by remote control.

-The intentions of the US are pure evil, not one goverment person in history has came foward and released the evil american plans to fool the world and rape the world. The microchip implanted in their brains will cause instant death when detecting a thought to expose the secert plans.

-The devil supplies the US with secert powers of evil to keep the people at bay and cause grave fear to all other mankind.

- There is a small group of people who actually know the truth, these people have secert agents gathering the same exact intelligence as the evil US mind controll operators.

- I didnt just get a beer, In case you didnt notice I observed your entire kitchen and planned a complex military strike to obtain all your food and supplies.





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Everything gets looted from the 3 hospitals in Bagdad only 1
is still open, aircos, beds, medicins, equipment everything gets
looted. Docs are armed in the hospital to protect themselfes.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/irak/fotos/i...enhuis.001.jpg

DynaMite

anti-war people always like to find something to downplay
none of the stuff the anti-war people claimed has come true yet
1. where is the increase terroism?
2. what happen to mass US deaths?
3. what happen to Iraqi people hating the US?

i liked the part when an Iraqi had the banner that said "Human Shield go home"

could it be staged? maybe but highly doubt it

I don't like stupid people.

What happened to the other 132 hospitals?

All I can say is: :thumbsup

To most the same.....this is the 1 hospital in Bagdad that is
at least still open.

DynaMite

:thumbsup I think I'll go to Dick's for a Deluxe with fries right now!

I guess they found a use for that backlot they used to stage the moon landing.

It's not about controlling it so that it's cheaper. It's about controlling it so that the prices are high...making Bush cronies $$$.

The people there are happy Saddam is out of power, but they still hate Americans...that won't change.

The majority of the things over in Iraq are staged....I don't know how many times I've seen the US Military go in some building for the "first time" and go on about how they might be putting themselves in a dangerous situation...blah, blah, blah....but somehow as they're breaking the door down there's a camera man already inside filming the whole thing. It's pathetic.

One Aussie less than probably should have :1orglaugh

You HAVE to be the last fool on earth that thinks this war was over oil.... :1orglaugh


The only way you would be happy would be if America lost the war - and you'll never be happy little man.

4. Where are the weapons of mass destruction?

Whether we wanted the oil or wanted to find weapons of mass destruction or wanted to free the Iraqi people from a despot, the US apparently lives in that quaint old past where the obligation of the President and the Federal Government is to look out for the interests of Americans.

How outmoded and old-fashioned can you get? :1orglaugh

Hopefully in the hands of terrorists.

Or the Iraqi citizens that are looting everything in sight. Hopefully they will sell them to terrorists. Yay, lets bring capitalism and gluttony to the Iraqi people.

1. Do you remember how long it took to set up 9/11 for the terrorists? you're not being honest with yourself if you think anti-war people meant the increase would start the second we started shelling Iraqis. There was a fear peddled in the media that the start of war was a trigger for established cells, but the overarching thrust of that stance was obviously meant to mean over the next few years, even up to a decade as some of the young men who lost relatives in the war, and thousands of previously benign "muslim brothers" turn militant with what they see as a "new crusade".

2. Saddam saving his skin (or being seperated from it).. Bagdad was where the real war was supposed to start and if it had have been fought the way everyone was told it was going to be would have been the sandy deathbed of many an allied soldier. It wasn't just anti-war people saying this, pro-war people, at least those that were informed, were well aware of the possibility of 1000-2000 allied casualties in prolonged urban warfare.

3. :) A few hundred dancing Iraqi's and suddenly "Iraqi's don't hate us". These were the same people that had posters of the trade center up in their shops, the same people the day before and the day after were suicide bombing US troops.
when you saw anti-war demonstrators on tv did you think the whole of the US was against the war? be-jesus.
They don't all hate us, but a lot of them do. Of course there is going to be a lot of rejoicing from the oppressed sections of society, shiites, kurds etc, but the other sections aren't exactly going to be out on the streets with "I H8 USA" tshirts on anytime soon now.


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This does not go away just because a statue was torn down.

not only did the American's place flags in Iraqi's hands and made them cheer

They offered them to post on other chatboards!:321GFY