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  • NatalieK
    Natalie K
    • Apr 2010
    • 20107
    #1

    Rant Trump doesn´t give one shit for the environment

    so today DirtyDon´s undone a long winded process of Obama doing good for the environment to save some jobs, of which, when is coal even used these days compared to other fuels!

    What is Dirty Don doing to our world!

    Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule | TheHill

    Mother fucker, get him out before he screws our world up even more!
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    • JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE
      Trump!
      • Feb 2011
      • 6442
      #2
      lol all Trump's fault yet again

      How the fuck do you think society will function? Is coal not part of the fucking environment?

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        • Bladewire
          StraightBro
          • Aug 2003
          • 56228
          #3
          Originally posted by GspotProductions
          so today DirtyDon´s undone a long winded process of Obama doing good for the environment to save some jobs, of which, when is coal even used these days compared to other fuels!

          What is Dirty Don doing to our world!

          Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule | TheHill

          Mother fucker, get him out before he screws our world up even more!
          It's all about the money with Donald, nothing else


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            • TampaToker
              Confirmed User
              • May 2006
              • 5828
              #4
              Originally posted by GspotProductions
              so today DirtyDon´s undone a long winded process of Obama doing good for the environment to save some jobs, of which, when is coal even used these days compared to other fuels!

              What is Dirty Don doing to our world!

              Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule | TheHill

              Mother fucker, get him out before he screws our world up even more!
              Which lines of the bill do you disagree with?
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                • EonBlue
                  Apocalypse
                  • May 2007
                  • 3043
                  #5
                  Originally posted by GspotProductions
                  when is coal even used these days compared to other fuels!






                  .

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                    • bronco67
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 29032
                      #6
                      It's all about appearances for Donald Trump.

                      Save some coal miner's jobs without any concern for the environment.

                      Save some jobs at a few factories, even though it's a fart in a hurricane. But at least he looks like some kind of hero.

                      Stop some people at the airport to look like you're picking up slack for the lackluster "Obama border security" without thinking of the broader global consequences.

                      he's a fucking genius.

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                        • GFED
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2002
                          • 8121
                          #7
                          Do all of you people bitching drive electric cars or hybrids or are you just hypocrites?
                          How many of you have solar panels on your home?
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                            • JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE
                              Trump!
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 6442
                              #8
                              Originally posted by bronco67
                              It's all about appearances for Donald Trump.

                              Save some coal miner's jobs without any concern for the environment.

                              Save some jobs at a few factories, even though it's a fart in a hurricane. But at least he looks like some kind of hero.

                              Stop some people at the airport to look like you're picking up slack for the lackluster "Obama border security" without thinking of the broader global consequences.

                              he's a fucking genius.
                              Do you drive an electric car? Live off the grid?

                              Then shut the fuck up

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                                • NatalieK
                                  Natalie K
                                  • Apr 2010
                                  • 20107
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by JohnnyClips
                                  lol all Trump's fault yet again

                                  How the fuck do you think society will function? Is coal not part of the fucking environment?
                                  like all trumpsters, you don´t ever get the whole story...

                                  the rule was to stop dumping of waste into streams and rivers!


                                  Trump doesn´t give a shit about the environment
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                                    • JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                      Trump!
                                      • Feb 2011
                                      • 6442
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                      like all trumpsters, you don´t ever get the whole story...

                                      the rule was to stop dumping of waste into streams and rivers!


                                      Trump doesn´t give a shit about the environment
                                      oh yea he doesn't care! Meh just pollute everywhere! What are you doing to supposedly "help" the environment? How does letting more refugees in here help that exactly?

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                                        • NatalieK
                                          Natalie K
                                          • Apr 2010
                                          • 20107
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by GFED
                                          Do all of you people bitching drive electric cars or hybrids or are you just hypocrites?
                                          How many of you have solar panels on your home?
                                          no, but I grow enough plants on my roof terrace to care for the pollution I make by other means
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                                            • JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                              Trump!
                                              • Feb 2011
                                              • 6442
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                              no, but I grow enough plants on my roof terrace to care for the pollution I make by other means
                                              You're such a savior bro! Man, the planet would be in REAL trouble without you!

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                                                • crockett
                                                  in a van by the river
                                                  • May 2003
                                                  • 76818
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by GFED
                                                  Do all of you people bitching drive electric cars or hybrids or are you just hypocrites?
                                                  How many of you have solar panels on your home?
                                                  Last I checked no one drives coal powered cars..
                                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                    • GFED
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2002
                                                      • 8121
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                      Last I checked no one drives coal powered cars..
                                                      Do you try hard being that stupid or does it come naturally?
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                                                        • pimpmaster9000
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Dec 2011
                                                          • 26732
                                                          #15
                                                          I have a solar calculator I do my bit for the environment...oh wait its not solar at all...my bad...
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                                                            • JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                              Trump!
                                                              • Feb 2011
                                                              • 6442
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by GFED
                                                              Do you try hard being that stupid or does it come naturally?
                                                              He is experiencing cognitive dissonance and hallucinating at the same time when it comes to Trump. I love watching the meltdown

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                                                                • TampaToker
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • May 2006
                                                                  • 5828
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by TampaToker
                                                                  Which lines of the bill do you disagree with?
                                                                  I will ask again what lines of the bill do you disagree with?
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                                                                    • JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                      Trump!
                                                                      • Feb 2011
                                                                      • 6442
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by TampaToker
                                                                      I will ask again what lines of the bill do you disagree with?
                                                                      They have no answers, no arguments...just racist! white supremacist!

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                                                                        • crockett
                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                          • 76818
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by GFED
                                                                          Do you try hard being that stupid or does it come naturally?
                                                                          Stupid is someone who doesn't actually educate himself before defending something. You believe Trump will bring back coal jobs, I can tell you that those jobs will not be there, because there is no expanding market for coal. It's a dying industry..

                                                                          (I've worked for a clean coal technology company. They laid off over 100 people in the last year)

                                                                          Coal is not dead due to regulations. Coal is dead because it cost too much to dig out of the ground. Fracking & Solar are the market drivers which killed coal, both produce electric cheaper than coal. There will never be another new coal plant in the US and all coal plants in the US have a decommission date. China the world's largest user of coal, has even started canceling coal plants that were under construction to switch to solar. (ie they aren't even finishing many of the plants which were under construction)

                                                                          The free market decided not the big scary EPA.. Not Trump, Not Obama.. The electric produced by coal cost more than solar, wind or Fracking of natural gas. The only coal producing going on in this country is to fill the needs of the remaining power plants but as those plants shut down or burn down (like St. Clair Power Plant which burnt last year)

                                                                          St Clair was actually one of our power plants which we just about to update their emission system.. It burnt to the ground and will never be brought back online.

                                                                          I'm informed, you are not..
                                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                            • GFED
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                              • 8121
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                                              Stupid is someone who doesn't actually educate himself before defending something. You believe Trump will bring back coal jobs, I can tell you that those jobs will not be there, because there is no expanding market for coal. It's a dying industry..

                                                                              (I've worked for a clean coal technology company. They laid off over 100 people in the last year)

                                                                              Coal is not dead due to regulations. Coal is dead because it cost too much to dig out of the ground. Fracking & Solar are the market drivers which killed coal. AKA the free market decided not the big scary EPA..

                                                                              I'm informed, you are not..
                                                                              Thank you for giving me your complete thoughts.
                                                                              I can give you credit for a good response and I value your opinion.
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                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  You don't all seem to realize that Coal is more plentiful in the US than any other place in the world. Obama set out to destroy that industry.
                                                                                  If you like coal tough, you can move. You think it's a dying industry, you're an idiot and do zero research, oh wait, that's Cricket.
                                                                                  there are over 600 coal burning power plants in the US
                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                    • crockett
                                                                                      in a van by the river
                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                      • 76818
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                      You don't all seem to realize that Coal is more plentiful in the US than any other place in the world. Obama set out to destroy that industry.
                                                                                      If you like coal tough, you can move. You think it's a dying industry, you're an idiot and do zero research, oh wait, that's Cricket.
                                                                                      there are over 600 coal burning power plants in the US
                                                                                      There are 572 coal burning plants in the US in 2016. You know how many there was at the end of 2012? 1,308 of them. Over half have shut down in the last 4 years.

                                                                                      They are not financially viable. Fraking of natural gas has decimated the coal industry and solar becoming so cheap gave it the 2nd gut punch. The death blow is wind power.

                                                                                      Oh and if you bitch about EPA standards.. perhaps you would like some Mercury with your fish or in your water..

                                                                                      The entire reason they brought on the "clean coal" was to stop the mercury from leaving the smoke stacks and getting into the environment. Do you really think that was a bad call?

                                                                                      Also Obama wasn't even elected when the EPA was tasked with regulating mercury from coal emissions. It had been tied up in court since 2005 and the battle was won in Dec of 2008. Obama hadn't even entered office yet and of course you blame Obama because you are uninformed and that what your right wing talking heads brain wash you to think.

                                                                                      You can have all the coal in the world but if it cost more to produce electric than other means it's nothing more than a lump of coal..
                                                                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                        • Linkster
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                                          • 3216
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by TampaToker
                                                                                          Which lines of the bill do you disagree with?
                                                                                          There is no bill - it is a resolution which takes away a bill.

                                                                                          The bill itself removed 124 full time employee positions and replaced it with 280 new full time jobs for a net gain of 156 new jobs in the coal industry over 20 years. So the overall effect of killing the bill was a loss of new jobs.
                                                                                          The side effects are a loss of approximately 285 miles of fishing and hunting streams which ought to please the outdoorsman types in those areas.

                                                                                          The original bill was just a modification of an older bill that is going to stay in effect from the 1970s.

                                                                                          This is all just a show between Obama and Trump that really does nothing. The newer bill that congress approved in December (if you care about politics - a Republican congress) just updated the older bill to add changes in technology and add a few jobs.

                                                                                          It's not about mining - it's about the cleanup and restoration after mining.

                                                                                          The killing of the bill really has no effect on the coal industry either positively or negatively...it's all slight of hand between politicians


                                                                                          And for those of you that don't know what's really going on in the energy industries - you might educate yourselves before you come here and make yourselves look stupid

                                                                                          And for those worried about the environment - this bill really had no effect on any of that - it was going to save a few miles of streams from tailings waste and just give the coal miners downstream a little better chance of not getting health problems as quickly - and they certainly don't matter in the grand scheme of things as they are going to lose their jobs anyway so they might as well die quicker
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                                                                                            • klinton
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Apr 2003
                                                                                              • 8766
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              nuclear energy is the best........

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                                                                                                • NatalieK
                                                                                                  Natalie K
                                                                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                                                                  • 20107
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                                  nuclear energy is the best........
                                                                                                  coal is like the stone age, doesn´t matter how much is in a country, it´s ruining our world...


                                                                                                  as said before, trump shouldn´t build a wall to keep illegals out, the rest of the world needs to build a world to keep the US in.

                                                                                                  Smog, fisheries, drinking waters, they are all effected by the coal industry, Obama had spent years sorting it out and within a moment, Dirty Don ruins it and destroys the world a little more...

                                                                                                  what a wanker
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                                                                                                    • michel
                                                                                                      TheHun's Yellow Pages!
                                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                                      • 3420
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                      There are 572 coal burning plants in the US in 2016. You know how many there was at the end of 2012? 1,308 of them. Over half have shut down in the last 4 years.

                                                                                                      They are not financially viable. Fraking of natural gas has decimated the coal industry and solar becoming so cheap gave it the 2nd gut punch. The death blow is wind power.

                                                                                                      Oh and if you bitch about EPA standards.. perhaps you would like some Mercury with your fish or in your water..

                                                                                                      The entire reason they brought on the "clean coal" was to stop the mercury from leaving the smoke stacks and getting into the environment. Do you really think that was a bad call?

                                                                                                      Also Obama wasn't even elected when the EPA was tasked with regulating mercury from coal emissions. It had been tied up in court since 2005 and the battle was won in Dec of 2008. Obama hadn't even entered office yet and of course you blame Obama because you are uninformed and that what your right wing talking heads brain wash you to think.

                                                                                                      You can have all the coal in the world but if it cost more to produce electric than other means it's nothing more than a lump of coal..
                                                                                                      I love how you shut people up in a nice way.

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                                                                                                        • JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                          Trump!
                                                                                                          • Feb 2011
                                                                                                          • 6442
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Hillar LOVES the environment!

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                                                                                                            • Linkster
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                                              • 3216
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by klinton
                                                                                                              nuclear energy is the best........
                                                                                                              I totally agree - however it is not competitive economically with fracked natural gas in the northern states of the US, which has led to a lot of plants having to shutdown and are going into de-commissioning along with a huge loss of jobs in the industry.
                                                                                                              Fortunately some see the benefits of it in the southern states and are building new plants - a lot of construction going on.

                                                                                                              I have always thought that with some real education given to both the news media and the public we could advance nuclear energy to be a real financial win in the markets...and make the licensing costs much less than the billions it costs right now.
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                                                                                                                • 2MuchMark
                                                                                                                  Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                  • 50977
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                  You don't all seem to realize that Coal is more plentiful in the US than any other place in the world.
                                                                                                                  So what? It's expensive, dirty, and inefficient. What is your case for coal exactly?


                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                  Obama set out to destroy that industry.
                                                                                                                  No, he set out to reduce emissions and dependancy especially when there are renewable energy options that should be considered. You don't have to destroy coal to do that. Coal, Oil, Gas etc will always have a place in the energy grid.

                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                  If you like coal tough, you can move.
                                                                                                                  To where? Coal pollutes the entire planet. And what about the miners who get Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease? Where should they move once they have learned to hate coal?

                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                  You think it's a dying industry, you're an idiot and do zero research, oh wait, that's Cricket.there are over 600 coal burning power plants in the US
                                                                                                                  No. An idiot is someone who won't even consider alternatives. There are just too many problems associated with coal, and science shows that there are viable options out there. There are even financial benefits too. People who's minds have been closed by the fossil fuel industry are the idiots.

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                                                                                                                      #30
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                                                                                                                        • 2MuchMark
                                                                                                                          Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                          • 50977
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                                          There are 572 coal burning plants in the US in 2016. You know how many there was at the end of 2012? 1,308 of them. Over half have shut down in the last 4 years.

                                                                                                                          They are not financially viable. Fraking of natural gas has decimated the coal industry and solar becoming so cheap gave it the 2nd gut punch. The death blow is wind power.

                                                                                                                          Oh and if you bitch about EPA standards.. perhaps you would like some Mercury with your fish or in your water..

                                                                                                                          The entire reason they brought on the "clean coal" was to stop the mercury from leaving the smoke stacks and getting into the environment. Do you really think that was a bad call?

                                                                                                                          Also Obama wasn't even elected when the EPA was tasked with regulating mercury from coal emissions. It had been tied up in court since 2005 and the battle was won in Dec of 2008. Obama hadn't even entered office yet and of course you blame Obama because you are uninformed and that what your right wing talking heads brain wash you to think.

                                                                                                                          You can have all the coal in the world but if it cost more to produce electric than other means it's nothing more than a lump of coal..

                                                                                                                          You sir, have earned this:

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                                                                                                                            • Bladewire
                                                                                                                              StraightBro
                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                              • 56228
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                                              There are 572 coal burning plants in the US in 2016. You know how many there was at the end of 2012? 1,308 of them. Over half have shut down in the last 4 years.

                                                                                                                              They are not financially viable. Fraking of natural gas has decimated the coal industry and solar becoming so cheap gave it the 2nd gut punch. The death blow is wind power.

                                                                                                                              Oh and if you bitch about EPA standards.. perhaps you would like some Mercury with your fish or in your water..

                                                                                                                              The entire reason they brought on the "clean coal" was to stop the mercury from leaving the smoke stacks and getting into the environment. Do you really think that was a bad call?

                                                                                                                              Also Obama wasn't even elected when the EPA was tasked with regulating mercury from coal emissions. It had been tied up in court since 2005 and the battle was won in Dec of 2008. Obama hadn't even entered office yet and of course you blame Obama because you are uninformed and that what your right wing talking heads brain wash you to think.

                                                                                                                              You can have all the coal in the world but if it cost more to produce electric than other means it's nothing more than a lump of coal..
                                                                                                                              Well said!


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                                                                                                                                • redsfv89
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                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2013
                                                                                                                                  • 221
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  I can't say Donald Trump is all bad, he's deporting those with "criminal records" from his country to better his people, he is giving people tax breaks, taxes don't need to be so high, which will increase business. He's not some super savior, and just cause you stop using what you deam to be a dirty energy source doesn't mean that they don't just shift the problem elsewhere take example California, their are plastic bag bans, so what do they do they make bigger plastic bags that are reusable, or they use paper bags, well great you stopped some of the plastic bags but now your chopping down all the trees. I enjoy my V8 Lincoln LS Sport, and I hate being behind a Prius when entering the freeway.
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                                                                                                                                    • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 18481
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Obama's EPA themselves were responsible for the biggest environmental disaster in US history:

                                                                                                                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_G...te_water_spill

                                                                                                                                      Liberals don't really like to talk about that one.

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                                                                                                                                        • DraX
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                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 7147
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                                                                                                                          so today DirtyDon´s undone a long winded process of Obama doing good for the environment to save some jobs, of which, when is coal even used these days compared to other fuels!

                                                                                                                                          What is Dirty Don doing to our world!

                                                                                                                                          Trump signs bill undoing Obama coal mining rule | TheHill

                                                                                                                                          Mother fucker, get him out before he screws our world up even more!
                                                                                                                                          lol

                                                                                                                                          You hating him so much you can't see straight, how is it to live in that haze ?

                                                                                                                                          We have 7.4 billion people in the world, Trump has been in office for approximately 1 month. From an environmental perspective like you're stating he already screwed up our world bwhahahahahah
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                                                                                                                                            • DraX
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                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 7147
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                                                                                                                              no, but I grow enough plants on my roof terrace to care for the pollution I make by other means
                                                                                                                                              bwhahahah are you for real...

                                                                                                                                              Pat yourself on the back, you doing great.
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                                                                                                                                                • 2MuchMark
                                                                                                                                                  Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 50977
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                  Obama's EPA themselves were responsible for the biggest environmental disaster in US history:

                                                                                                                                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_G...te_water_spill

                                                                                                                                                  Liberals don't really like to talk about that one.
                                                                                                                                                  That's too bad, because everyone should talk about this. I don't understand how an agency called The Environmental PROTECTION Agency can have an accident like this, but shit happens.

                                                                                                                                                  Regardless, what Trump and other republicans are doing is painting the EPA as some kind of roadblock to jobs and growth. This of course, is just a dirty trick smokescreen. The EPA is designed to stop scuzzy companies from using the earth as their toilet. It's important that people realize what the EPA really does for everyone.

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                                                                                                                                                    • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 5469
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by JohnnyClips
                                                                                                                                                      lol all Trump's fault yet again

                                                                                                                                                      How the fuck do you think society will function? Is coal not part of the fucking environment?
                                                                                                                                                      magma is also part of the environment.

                                                                                                                                                      uranium also....

                                                                                                                                                      oil also...

                                                                                                                                                      and there is a good reason that is is UNDER the ground.
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                                                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by michel
                                                                                                                                                          I love how you shut people up in a nice way.


                                                                                                                                                          Here's how fucking dumb that piece of shit Cricket is, he will tell you that we need more electric cars, not thinking that we need electricity to fuel those cars.

                                                                                                                                                          There are more coal burning power plants in this country than any other source
                                                                                                                                                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph.../power-plants/

                                                                                                                                                          There are 511 coal-powered electric plants in the U.S. They have generated 34 percent of the nation’s electricity this year.
                                                                                                                                                          The leading fuel for electricity generation in the country, coal is most popular in the Midwest, Appalachia and the East Coast, but is also the primary source in Wyoming, Utah, Montana and Arizona. It generated the vast majority of the nation’s electricity in the late 1980s but now creates one-third with natural gas gaining steadily. Coal is the chief source of electricity in 22 states and creates a majority of the electrical power in 14 states.

                                                                                                                                                          But Cricket won't tell you that because he's a fucking moron and I believe can't read above a 3rd grade level given some of the bull shit he has posted!
                                                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                                                                                            • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Linkster
                                                                                                                                                              I totally agree - however it is not competitive economically with fracked natural gas in the northern states of the US, which has led to a lot of plants having to shutdown and are going into de-commissioning along with a huge loss of jobs in the industry.
                                                                                                                                                              Fortunately some see the benefits of it in the southern states and are building new plants - a lot of construction going on.

                                                                                                                                                              I have always thought that with some real education given to both the news media and the public we could advance nuclear energy to be a real financial win in the markets...and make the licensing costs much less than the billions it costs right now.
                                                                                                                                                              maybe you are too young to remember tschernobyl - but i lived like 4000 km away when that happend and we could not eat anything from the own garden for around 15 years - and even today you can messure the radioactivity in all what grows in germany, austria, switzerland and all the countries in a radius of 5000 km.

                                                                                                                                                              but at least you should have a little clue about fukushima.
                                                                                                                                                              the japanese only closed a "small part" with a few thousand square kilometers around the reactor but infact all japan is influenced.

                                                                                                                                                              but it is not only japan. look where this shit is now:



                                                                                                                                                              it already reached the cost of canada and from there it can only go to north or south - have fun !!
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                                                                                                                                                                • Vendzilla
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by redsfv89
                                                                                                                                                                  I can't say Donald Trump is all bad, he's deporting those with "criminal records" from his country to better his people, he is giving people tax breaks, taxes don't need to be so high, which will increase business. He's not some super savior, and just cause you stop using what you deam to be a dirty energy source doesn't mean that they don't just shift the problem elsewhere take example California, their are plastic bag bans, so what do they do they make bigger plastic bags that are reusable, or they use paper bags, well great you stopped some of the plastic bags but now your chopping down all the trees. I enjoy my V8 Lincoln LS Sport, and I hate being behind a Prius when entering the freeway.
                                                                                                                                                                  I so agree, I hate those bags, they make the free ones illegal and charge for the thicker ones, talk about stupid.

                                                                                                                                                                  Ever been trapped behind two Prius' drag racing?

                                                                                                                                                                  I have a 4x4 truck in LA and it's got a V8 in it, I love driving that or riding my Harley that gets 40 mpg on the freeway.

                                                                                                                                                                  During the 80's and 90's I recycled almost 80 tons of scrap steel I think, big estimate because I didn't keep track. I was given permission to clean all the scrap steep from several building sites while I worked in the elevator trade. I worked harder after hours than during, but I made some serious bank. I think I got 20 tons from one high rise.
                                                                                                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                    • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 5469
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by EonBlue






                                                                                                                                                                      .
                                                                                                                                                                      first of all your graphic is from 2013

                                                                                                                                                                      and if there would be ONE president strong and smart enough in the past 20 years it could look like that already:

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          I probably know more about Nuclear Power than anyone on this forum due to living on a submarine that was powered by one. It's safe, it has to be ran right to be safe. But fuck it up and you're screwed. There are 63 nuclear power plants in this country, building more would not scare me. As long as we didn't get the part for it from China!
                                                                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                                              StraightBro
                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                              • 56228
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                              I probably know more about Nuclear Power than anyone on this forum due to living on a submarine that was powered by one. It's safe, it has to be ran right to be safe. But fuck it up and you're screwed. There are 63 nuclear power plants in this country, building more would not scare me. As long as we didn't get the part for it from China!
                                                                                                                                                                              I agree. No problems with nuclear and make all parts in America top secret not via vendors etc.


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                                                                                                                                                                                • NatalieK
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2010
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by DraX
                                                                                                                                                                                  Trump has been in office for approximately 1 month. From an environmental perspective like you're stating he already screwed up our world
                                                                                                                                                                                  exactly. No more to say
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • brandonstills
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Alternative energy technology is advancing so fast there's not really any need to worry about it I think. Clean energy sources are on track to replace "dirty" sources of energy.

                                                                                                                                                                                      But one thing that is important to understand is that there is a certain amount of energy needed to support a population at a given standard of living. It is undesirable to sacrifice some trees if it means people have to die. Human lives before trees and squirrels I say.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Lowering energy creation means lowering standards of living, or worst case, not being able to support human life; we can't all go back to living in caves and chopping down trees for fire.

                                                                                                                                                                                      In synthetic biology they are developing bacteria that eat plastic and other pollutants.

                                                                                                                                                                                      The development of technology allows us to consume things that are considered "pollution" and use them as new energy sources / raw materials. With that in mind, I'm not overly worried.


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                                                                                                                                                                                        • thommy
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 5469
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                          You don't all seem to realize that Coal is more plentiful in the US than any other place in the world. Obama set out to destroy that industry.
                                                                                                                                                                                          If you like coal tough, you can move. You think it's a dying industry, you're an idiot and do zero research, oh wait, that's Cricket.
                                                                                                                                                                                          there are over 600 coal burning power plants in the US


                                                                                                                                                                                          This with the cheap electricity from coal power plants is a terrible lie. Globally coal is subsidized with 5.3 trillion dollars. The taxpayer pays these subsidies so that the dung can be brought out of the soil at all without loss and then gets pre-calculated that the coal-fired power plants produce such cheap electricity. If the power plants would have to buy this coal at the price of the mining costs then there would already be 20 years no mining.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Linkster
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                                                              maybe you are too young to remember tschernobyl - but i lived like 4000 km away when that happend and we could not eat anything from the own garden for around 15 years - and even today you can messure the radioactivity in all what grows in germany, austria, switzerland and all the countries in a radius of 5000 km.

                                                                                                                                                                                              but at least you should have a little clue about fukushima.
                                                                                                                                                                                              the japanese only closed a "small part" with a few thousand square kilometers around the reactor but infact all japan is influenced.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes I am old enough to remember - and I also remember a lot of other things you are too young to remember...like three mile island etc...

                                                                                                                                                                                              Chernobyl should have never been built and the people that ran it for the government were idiots - that is not the fault of the plant - it's the fault of the people that ran it and tried to do something that would never be considered appropriate in US plants

                                                                                                                                                                                              Fukushima was another people problem - although caused by natural disaster that was not predicted because the engineers that designed the safety systems didn't take into account what could happen

                                                                                                                                                                                              The plants are still the safest source of cheap electricity in the US

                                                                                                                                                                                              and as far as your maps of "radiation" - this is why I said that education is the key - the amount of radiation that you show in your maps is less than people get in the US every day from sunshine, smoking a cigarette, or flying on a commercial airline...and yes all radiation acts the same on the body whether you get it from the sun or a nuclear power plant...you just haven't been educated
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • 2MuchMark
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 50977
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Here's how fucking dumb that piece of shit Cricket is,
                                                                                                                                                                                                  He's not dumb. And why do you need to call people names when you are on the losing end of an argument?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                  he will tell you that we need more electric cars, not thinking that we need electricity to fuel those cars.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  First, electric cars are MY thing! Don't credit Crocket with that, grrrr.. and to answer your question, Electricity can come from coal, yes, but it doen't HAVE to. Electricity can be made from Hydro, or Solar, or Wind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                  There are more coal burning power plants in this country than any other source
                                                                                                                                                                                                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph.../power-plants/

                                                                                                                                                                                                  There are 511 coal-powered electric plants in the U.S. They have generated 34 percent of the nation’s electricity this year.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  The leading fuel for electricity generation in the country, coal is most popular in the Midwest, Appalachia and the East Coast, but is also the primary source in Wyoming, Utah, Montana and Arizona. It generated the vast majority of the nation’s electricity in the late 1980s but now creates one-third with natural gas gaining steadily. Coal is the chief source of electricity in 22 states and creates a majority of the electrical power in 14 states.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  That may be true, but again, that is the problem. All of those factories are producing a dirty, expensive inefficient product.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you were going to build an energy company and could do it anywhere in the world, wouldn't you want to build one that is inexpensive, safe, renewable and has access to an unlimited supply of raw energy like the Sun?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                  But Cricket
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Crocket

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                  won't tell you that because he's a fucking moron
                                                                                                                                                                                                  He's smarter than you are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                  and I believe can't read above a 3rd grade level
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Your narrow beliefs are what gets you into losing arguments like this. Challenge your beliefs. Go beyond your safe space and learn some science.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                  given some of the bull shit he has posted!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't always agree with Crocket. You don't have to either of course, but if you want to challenge anyone, do yourself a favour and back it up with real facts, with real links. You will find that you are challenging yourself at the same time. Isn't that a good thing?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Peace.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 23200
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by thommy
                                                                                                                                                                                                      This with the cheap electricity from coal power plants is a terrible lie. Globally coal is subsidized with 5.3 trillion dollars. The taxpayer pays these subsidies so that the dung can be brought out of the soil at all without loss and then gets pre-calculated that the coal-fired power plants produce such cheap electricity. If the power plants would have to buy this coal at the price of the mining costs then there would already be 20 years no mining.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Only makes sense to have subsidies for the most plentiful resource for energy for the US, being energy independent from other countries is very important.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                                                                                      think about that

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