I so agree, I hate those bags, they make the free ones illegal and charge for the thicker ones, talk about stupid.

Ever been trapped behind two Prius' drag racing?

I have a 4x4 truck in LA and it's got a V8 in it, I love driving that or riding my Harley that gets 40 mpg on the freeway.

During the 80's and 90's I recycled almost 80 tons of scrap steel I think, big estimate because I didn't keep track. I was given permission to clean all the scrap steep from several building sites while I worked in the elevator trade. I worked harder after hours than during, but I made some serious bank. I think I got 20 tons from one high rise.

first of all your graphic is from 2013

and if there would be ONE president strong and smart enough in the past 20 years it could look like that already:

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I probably know more about Nuclear Power than anyone on this forum due to living on a submarine that was powered by one. It's safe, it has to be ran right to be safe. But fuck it up and you're screwed. There are 63 nuclear power plants in this country, building more would not scare me. As long as we didn't get the part for it from China!

I agree. No problems with nuclear and make all parts in America top secret not via vendors etc.

exactly. No more to say :2 cents:

Alternative energy technology is advancing so fast there's not really any need to worry about it I think. Clean energy sources are on track to replace "dirty" sources of energy.

But one thing that is important to understand is that there is a certain amount of energy needed to support a population at a given standard of living. It is undesirable to sacrifice some trees if it means people have to die. Human lives before trees and squirrels I say.

Lowering energy creation means lowering standards of living, or worst case, not being able to support human life; we can't all go back to living in caves and chopping down trees for fire.

In synthetic biology they are developing bacteria that eat plastic and other pollutants.

The development of technology allows us to consume things that are considered "pollution" and use them as new energy sources / raw materials. With that in mind, I'm not overly worried.

This with the cheap electricity from coal power plants is a terrible lie. Globally coal is subsidized with 5.3 trillion dollars. The taxpayer pays these subsidies so that the dung can be brought out of the soil at all without loss and then gets pre-calculated that the coal-fired power plants produce such cheap electricity. If the power plants would have to buy this coal at the price of the mining costs then there would already be 20 years no mining.

Yes I am old enough to remember - and I also remember a lot of other things you are too young to remember...like three mile island etc...

Chernobyl should have never been built and the people that ran it for the government were idiots - that is not the fault of the plant - it's the fault of the people that ran it and tried to do something that would never be considered appropriate in US plants

Fukushima was another people problem - although caused by natural disaster that was not predicted because the engineers that designed the safety systems didn't take into account what could happen

The plants are still the safest source of cheap electricity in the US

and as far as your maps of "radiation" - this is why I said that education is the key - the amount of radiation that you show in your maps is less than people get in the US every day from sunshine, smoking a cigarette, or flying on a commercial airline...and yes all radiation acts the same on the body whether you get it from the sun or a nuclear power plant...you just haven't been educated

He's not dumb. And why do you need to call people names when you are on the losing end of an argument?

First, electric cars are MY thing! Don't credit Crocket with that, grrrr.. and to answer your question, Electricity can come from coal, yes, but it doen't HAVE to. Electricity can be made from Hydro, or Solar, or Wind.

That may be true, but again, that is the problem. All of those factories are producing a dirty, expensive inefficient product.

If you were going to build an energy company and could do it anywhere in the world, wouldn't you want to build one that is inexpensive, safe, renewable and has access to an unlimited supply of raw energy like the Sun?

Crocket

He's smarter than you are.

Your narrow beliefs are what gets you into losing arguments like this. Challenge your beliefs. Go beyond your safe space and learn some science.

I don't always agree with Crocket. You don't have to either of course, but if you want to challenge anyone, do yourself a favour and back it up with real facts, with real links. You will find that you are challenging yourself at the same time. Isn't that a good thing?

Peace.

Only makes sense to have subsidies for the most plentiful resource for energy for the US, being energy independent from other countries is very important.

[QUOTE=2MuchMark;21552628]He's not dumb. And why do you need to call people names when you are on the losing end of an argument?



First, electric cars are MY thing! Don't credit Crocket with that, grrrr.. and to answer your question, Electricity can come from coal, yes, but it doen't HAVE to. Electricity can be made from Hydro, or Solar, or Wind.



That may be true, but again, that is the problem. All of those factories are producing a dirty, expensive inefficient product.

If you were going to build an energy company and could do it anywhere in the world, wouldn't you want to build one that is inexpensive, safe, renewable and has access to an unlimited supply of raw energy like the Sun?

Hey shit for brains, I did back up what I posted, can't you fucking read you moron, or are you going to whine and complain to Eric like you complained to Alec at Xbiz because I didn't play nice with you?

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When you resort to name calling, you've lost the argument.


And look who's calling who "Shit for brains"!

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It looks like you need some help using the interwebz.

Call me whatever you want Vendzilla. I know you have no choice.

Actually since Ive worked in nuclear for over 30 years I might know as much or more - and spent 12 years on subs...

Just a small correction - there are currently 99 operating plants

And there are currently 24 new ones either being built or in the planning stages - 4 should come online in the very near future :thumbsup

And the parts come from China, as well as many other countries - and there is nothing secret about their construction - other than the security and cybersecurity details

Wow That's so cool!! I have always had a strange fascination with Nuclear power. I've always wanted to visit a nuclear power plant. Maybe this is a stupid question, but do power plants offer tours to the public? Can you just drive up to one and ask for a tour?

I would have a serious nerdgasm seeing the inner workings of a power plant up close.

Unfortunately after 9/11 they don't do public tours however, they usually have visitor centers that are outside the plant where you can see simulations and pictures that offer a glimpse inside

The problem with today's power plants is that they are old and obsolete. What is needed is something like this : https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ation-nuclear/

Yes that is what I figured. Simulators are ok but something about looking right into or right at the core would be cool. Scary as hell for me, but cool anyway. I don't know why. Color me geek.

looooool - well in 1979 i was 22 - how old was you than ?

ok - i think non of them should ever be build because not one of them came to me and proved me that he is not idiot too.

no - it was build from someone who want to make PROFIT and safe money on security.
a BUSINESS MAN was who did that !!!!

as long as none of them explodes - IF that happens YOU WILL BEG FOR IMMIGRATION IN AFRICA OR CHINA.

oh great it is STILL no problem?
so let´s build a few 100 more of them because with EVERY SINGLE ONE the risk becomes a bit higher. if you take all cars from the street and just let 1 drive the risk to have an accident is near zero.

enjoy your meal, ignorant !

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and here a bit deeper information in regards to such reassurances

It took the USA like 40 years to defeat the tobacco lobby...The energy lobby is going to get its way untill the sky turns brown...Too much $$$ on the line and the old men in charge will not live to see what happens...

you guys talk about a few billion what cost obamacare - you want to bring work back to US but you do not even realize that MORE than 50% of your taxes going into subsidies of your billionairs.

and trump will double that up - maybe some, who did not help him in the elections, will get less but others who wasn´t on that list will show up there.

THIS IS WHERE YOU MONEY GOES - and this is your problem - and with trump that problem will become MUCH bigger as it already is.

english do you speak it?

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

also, what prolly not everyone knows here that coal power plants are not THAT bad as individual house heating from coal...modern coal power plants are - kind of - green...
yet of course - not as green as nuclear energy or renewable energy (which is the best, but not so efficient like nuclear).

its bullshit about not eating plants because of chernobyl 4000 km away. maybe in Prypec and 100 km around and maybe for the first months.

sounds like tommy doesnt know that much about it.

among thousands of nuclear power plants there were like 3 quite serious accidents, while old coal power plants (and new ones too..) polluted air like thousands times more

no need for tours when you have youtube...

not enough to understand people like you.
but i can offer you to communicate in 3 other languages - wich one do you speak?

you cant change human nature. thats why the world looks like it looks and thats why more money is spent on military than - for example - personal and spiritual growth...
heck, who would ever need money in spiritual growth ? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

was there maybe a special year where people were born with a half brain?

do you possibly also have a space in your garden for the radioactive trash?

even when NOT ONE of this reactors explode we have the problem with the trash.

sure ist is easy to say "no worry" and let the mafia do the job


dumphead !!!! tschernoby was 1986 and the OFFICIAL "all-clear" in Germany was in 2010
search a bit before you write nonsense.

but YOU know right?
why are you not the president ? you are the same dangerous dreamer

but there WHERE accidents or not?
so WHO FOR FUCK tells you that there will not be more?

but i am pretty sure you have a end-of-the-world-insurance because you are a victim for such a product.

ahhh sure - how could i forget that.
so it does not matter what criminal the us-president is. what was ist again what speaks in that case against hillary?

I was 25 and on a submarine still - but you have no idea how radioactive "trash" or contamination really works
I bet you don't know that all humans are radioactive - not from outside sources - they are born with it - it's called potassium and it's in your bones - so maybe we should never get close to another human as we might get poisoned by their radioactive trash :thumbsup

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let's see which other language that moron speaks .... :1orglaugh

everyone seems to be in agreement apart from only a couple that this move of Trump´s bad, so why´s he been allowed to do it without being impeached?

It´s an obvious mistake to the planet we live on!

For once, he could have actually got many of us on his side, suggesting solar, wind or more water turbines at sea, creating more jobs! But no, DirtyDon takes a fucking easy road to please his minions...

why is this guy still in presidency?

I stand corrected, which boat were you on? I was on the USS Tautog ssn639. I was a sonar Tech, but as you know, everyone had to know how to throw the switch in engineering. Did you ever meet Rickover? He took a little ride on our boat, interesting person.

I keep searching for "Impeach Trump" every day. I find some good news, and unfortunately I find bad news too. One can only hope.

I still remember them telling us all that, was mind boggling. That even cigarettes have radiation. Always wore my badge above my balls! LMAO

Slept in the torpedo room my first cruise, next to the dangerous ordinance and next to the reactor. When I thought about it, I couldn't sleep. Couple days after that, I slept just fine.
I was 18 when I got to my boat, 21 when I left. Later got a bunk forward above the diesel gen room

Yeah, lets put a lot of money into solar like Obama did and watch it go no where?

Solar is going nowhere? Google is your friend.

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Solar and wind energy propel growth in US renewables : Nature News & Comment

etc, etc...

Yep!


Google owns this one. I passed it in Nevada on the way to Vegas it's massive and generates electricity at night!

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I have solar panels & batteries I charge here at home, never going back. It doesn't cover all my electric consumption but paid for itself already.

??? i was talking about nuclear energy, and you about politics ?

the most radioactive trash (10 % ? ) is stored in special silos under surface...no other way. i think that its still better than fracking and oil extraction :-)
the less radioactive waste is reused or utilized succesfully