How low will bandwidth prices go? - GoFuckYourself.com

BRISK · 04-11-2003, 04:05 AM

Every year bandwidth gets cheaper and cheaper. Three years ago, I was paying $2.50/gb for quality bandwidth, now I pay $0.25/gb for even better quality bandwidth (non-cogent).

How low will it go?

What will it be in 2004? 2005? 2006?

[Labret] · 04-11-2003, 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Every year bandwidth gets cheaper and cheaper. Three years ago, I was paying $2.50/gb for quality bandwidth, now I pay $0.25/gb for even better quality bandwidth (non-cogent).

How low will it go?

What will it be in 2004? 2005? 2006?

Who is giving you 25 cents per gig?

sweetcuties · 04-11-2003, 04:12 AM

Shit that's low... I'm paying .60

x582 · 04-11-2003, 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Who is giving you 25 cents per gig?

Yeah, who?

Theo · 04-11-2003, 04:17 AM

jesushosting babeee

Pornwolf · 04-11-2003, 04:29 AM

You guys are paying more than 25c a gig still?

Marcus · 04-11-2003, 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
You guys are paying more than 25c a gig still?

$.75/gig here

BRISK · 04-11-2003, 04:33 AM

I'm keeping my host a secret, I like to keep that competitive advantage to myself.

They're a host that mostly deals in mainstream, but they sell some of their quality bandwidth really cheap to some adult companies so they can maintain huge volumes so they can get cheaper rates from their provider. They sell the same bandwidth to mainstream companies for waaay more than adult companies.

By the way, that price $0.25/gb ($80/mbps) includes a dual CPU Dell server with huge SCSI HDs.

Best hosting I've ever had, with no downtime. Tech support rocks. 99.99% uptime.

Jakke PNG · 04-11-2003, 04:33 AM

.16 here.

If I use my server to the max that is. So in reality like .30$

DarkJedi · 04-11-2003, 04:38 AM

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Originally posted by x582

Yeah, who?

Hu is the new leader of China

SomeCreep · 04-11-2003, 04:51 AM

More bandwidth you buy, cheaper it gets. I bet Nastydollars gets their bandwidth at like $0.02/gig for the huge bulk they buy

Dirty F · 04-11-2003, 04:54 AM

In 2004 they will pay you to use their server.

Buffed Body · 04-11-2003, 05:08 AM

80 bucks per mbit = 25 cents a gig? WTF?
You manage to squeeze 320 gigs out of every mbit/sec?
Your traffic doesn't peak? It just stays exactly stable 24/7?

- Jesus Christ - · 04-11-2003, 05:17 AM

Hahahah BW direct from the main providers is more than 25 cents a gig.

level 3
global crossing
aleron
CAIS 3
williams
verio
Sprint
AT&T
Worldcom
Cable & Wireless

So whoevers giving you 25 cents a gig is stupid or has a tight business plan to sort out thier network.

BRISK · 04-11-2003, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Hahahah BW direct from the main providers is more than 25 cents a gig.

level 3
global crossing
aleron
CAIS 3
williams
verio
Sprint
AT&T
Worldcom
Cable & Wireless

So whoevers giving you 25 cents a gig is stupid or has a tight business plan to sort out thier network.

My bandwidth comes from one of the companies on that list.

Pornwolf · 04-11-2003, 05:21 AM

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Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
Hahahah BW direct from the main providers is more than 25 cents a gig.

level 3
global crossing
aleron
CAIS 3
williams
verio
Sprint
AT&T
Worldcom
Cable & Wireless

So whoevers giving you 25 cents a gig is stupid or has a tight business plan to sort out thier network.

Not true at all. BW from providers is actually between 10 and 20 cents a gig. Non cogent.

- Jesus Christ - · 04-11-2003, 05:22 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK

My bandwidth comes from one of the companies on that list.

Hey im not saying poeple dont get good deals.. Im just saying the overall price isnt just gonna keep dropping... most of these drops are an illusion based on overselling your network and unerpaying employees. The shit has hit the fan for many hosting companies. Theres scams in thier world just like the adult internet world. Problem is... we have to deal with both.

Recently a comapny *COUGH* NOCSTER that sold cheap BW and servers went down for a number of DAYS and they had "no clue why."

You get what you pay for.... REPEAT IT

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
Not true at all. BW from providers is actually between 10 and 20 cents a gig. Non cogent.

First off they dont sell "by the gig" and even if you do all the math (wich Im not gonna do right now) its more like 40-70 per gig. Technically its not even possible to cut it down that way.

Pornwolf · 04-11-2003, 05:28 AM

Asswipe, no they don't sell by the gig. But at the average price of 35k per gig-e connection you will get around 10 cents a gig. Level 3, Williams and Verio will sell for 35k per gig.

Stop using Jesus's name in vain.

- Jesus Christ - · 04-11-2003, 05:30 AM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
Asswipe, no they don't sell by the gig. But at the average price of 35k per gig-e connection you will get around 10 cents a gig. Level 3, Williams and Verio will sell for 35k per gig.

Stop using Jesus's name in vain.

How many datacenters have you worked at?

Theres way more involved than a fuckinmg GIG-E connection.

So suck my JE-SuS-COCK.

Pornwolf · 04-11-2003, 05:31 AM

Sorry, I've never been an employee but I have brokered and bought enough circuts to know what it costs.

Buffed Body · 04-11-2003, 05:33 AM

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Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
First off they dont sell "by the gig" and even if you do all the math (wich Im not gonna do right now) its more like 40-70 per gig. Technically its not even possible to cut it down that way.

It's impossible to squeeze 320 gigs out of every mbit.

fiveyes · 04-11-2003, 05:35 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi

Hu is the new leader of China

So, that means it's the new leader of China on first after all. Why didn't you just tell me that to begin with?!?

Master_Yoba · 04-11-2003, 05:41 AM

We have $.19 per gig here.
Real Xeon servers, 100 mbits burstables, no Cogent, no Verio, no transit traffic and NO this F_U_C_K_I_N_G

"Percentage 95" method

- Jesus Christ - · 04-11-2003, 05:44 AM

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Originally posted by Master_Yoba
We have $.19 per gig here.
Real Xeon servers, 100 mbits burstables, no Cogent, no Verio, no transit traffic and NO this F_U_C_K_I_N_G "Percentage 95" method

I think you mean 95th percentile billing

and thats the biggest scam in hosting... You wouldn't BELIVE how much that screws the custumer.

stocktrader23 · 04-11-2003, 05:45 AM

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Originally posted by Master_Yoba
We have $.19 per gig here.
Real Xeon servers, 100 mbits burstables, no Cogent, no Verio, no transit traffic and NO this F_U_C_K_I_N_G "Percentage 95" method

They'll never believe you. It's too complicated for their brains.

Master_Yoba · 04-11-2003, 07:00 AM

Lazy Bob · 04-11-2003, 07:23 AM

I'm in the market for a new host (managed servers)

Currently at Servint paying way to much for anything and everything..... about the only thing they have going for themselves right now is decent 24/7 tech support

I've looked at swiftco, isprime, xxxwebhosting and a few others.

Anybody use any of these? Good or Bad? Can anyone recommend a host I should look into? I don't want cogent/verio BW, and I want 24/7 tech support with a real live person

Big Monkie · 04-11-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by Buffed Body
80 bucks per mbit = 25 cents a gig? WTF?
You manage to squeeze 320 gigs out of every mbit/sec?
Your traffic doesn't peak? It just stays exactly stable 24/7?

A lot of hosts these days are using the term mb to mean 320 gigs. I know its wrong and they must know too, but many do that now. I dunno why because it really confuses things.

Big Monkie · 04-11-2003, 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss
In 2004 they will pay you to use their server.

That is really stupid, how could they do that? I mean, it will be at least 2005 or 2006 before that happens.

Kick Ass Chat · 04-11-2003, 08:00 AM

Most of you are clueless. There is so much more to what the end user pays then the cost that your host buys their raw bandwidth for. Examples, Their data center costs, switches, touters, misc hardware, Techs, office staff, .....the list goes on and on....

iwantchixx · 04-11-2003, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi

Hu is the new leader of China

howhai is the mountain in china

Juicy D. Links · 04-11-2003, 08:12 AM

I get .50/gig which is nice and juicy and quality bw

Gutterboy · 04-11-2003, 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by juicylinks
I get .50/gig which is nice and juicy and quality bw

ditto. I was getting .27/gig before, but the new BW is much better. I used to get rejected at Richards Realm about 20% of the time because my galleries were slow from England... no longer.

Candid

x582 · 04-11-2003, 09:28 AM

when you guys are saying $65 per mbps - is it at 95th percentile or 50th percentile (average)?

Rictor · 04-11-2003, 09:31 AM

Pretty much any provider can give you 25 cents a gig if you order enough bandwidth.

I think prices may go up if Cogent goes out of business.

NJ Dave · 04-11-2003, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -

I think you mean 95th percentile billing

and thats the biggest scam in hosting... You wouldn't BELIVE how much that screws the custumer.

I don't understand how that screws a customer.

You spend the whole month doing 10 megabit, and somehow one day a link to your site gets where it shouldn't, or a password gets out, or for whatever reason your traffic jumps to 30 megabit for that day.

You now have to pay for the increased average, possibly several hundred dollars more because of this.

95%ile billing prevents just that.

If your site is prone to these types of traffic spikes, you're best suited to 95th percentile, if not, buy per gig, or based on averaged.

- Jesus Christ - · 04-11-2003, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by NJ Dave

I don't understand how that screws a customer.

You spend the whole month doing 10 megabit, and somehow one day a link to your site gets where it shouldn't, or a password gets out, or for whatever reason your traffic jumps to 30 megabit for that day.

You now have to pay for the increased average, possibly several hundred dollars more because of this.

95%ile billing prevents just that.

If your site is prone to these types of traffic spikes, you're best suited to 95th percentile, if not, buy per gig, or based on averaged.

Um dude... You dont understand 95th percentile billing. It takes the 95th percent of your HIGHEST USAGE.

NY > NJ

[illnet]-Romeo · 04-11-2003, 10:00 AM

95th is not good for spikes.

We charge on the 50th percentile which is the avg of wht you sustain per month. not 95% of what you use.

I'll make it simple for ya, would you rather pay 95% for a product or 50% for that same product. Don't over think it it's not a hard concept

x582 · 04-11-2003, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by Romeo_CandidCam
95th is not good for spikes.

We charge on the 50th percentile which is the avg of wht you sustain per month. not 95% of what you use.

I'll make it simple for ya, would you rather pay 95% for a product or 50% for that same product. Don't over think it it's not a hard concept

In one of my server's mrtg graph at the top of the page it says:

Last 30 days usage (metered 95%): 63413.54 kb/sec

and at the bottom of my monthly graph it says:
Average Out: 35.8 Mb/s

So does it means that Candid will charge me on 36.8 Mbps (Avrg in and out) not 63.4 mbps (95th) ?

If i calculate all my servers bandwidth;

95th graph = 89.2 mbps
Average = 50.4 mbps

[illnet]-Romeo · 04-11-2003, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by x582

In one of my server's mrtg graph at the top of the page it says:

Last 30 days usage (metered 95%): 63413.54 kb/sec

and at the bottom of my monthly graph it says:
Average Out: 35.8 Mb/s

So does it means that Candid will charge me on 36.8 Mbps (Avrg in and out) not 63.4 mbps (95th) ?

If i calculate all my servers bandwidth;

95th graph = 89.2 mbps
Average = 50.4 mbps

Your bill at CandidHosting would be for

Average Out: 35.8 Mb/s
*We bill for AVG (50th %) Outbound traffic only

x582 · 04-11-2003, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Romeo_CandidCam

Your bill at CandidHosting would be for

Average Out: 35.8 Mb/s
*We bill for AVG (50th %) Outbound traffic only

Very very nice!

Snake Doctor · 04-11-2003, 11:32 AM

We've had this discussion on this board a hundred times before.
Most people on non-cogent bandwidth pay around 50 cents a gig. The rest of you "think" you pay less than that.

Fuck mbps, 95th percentile, 50th percentile and all that shit. Ask a host flat out what they'll bill you BY THE GIG. Tell them you want to pay for what you use, no more, no less.
The price you get for that is the price you'll end up paying on any of their other plans. (capped 10mbps line, 95th percentile, etc etc)

foreverjason · 04-11-2003, 11:33 AM

Ok I get bandwidth at around 20 cents per gig.

JDog · 04-11-2003, 11:40 AM

what exactly is the "95 Percentile"? I believe that is what our hosting company is doing?

Thanks,

JDog

Master_Yoba · 04-11-2003, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Romeo_CandidCam

Your bill at CandidHosting would be for

Average Out: 35.8 Mb/s
*We bill for AVG (50th %) Outbound traffic only

seriously?

35.8 Mb/s as your customer's mrtg graph shows? Not "Independent" stat service?
Oh, man you're going to beat the market!

btw, maybe it depends on your regular prices

Moose · 04-11-2003, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by x582

Very very nice!

YEs but compare the prices of the two. More than likely the prices of the two will be the same.
Most who say they bill on average, charge a bit more than the ones who charge on 95% . And some companys will even let you pick how you want to be billed, and the 95% price is always cheaper than the 50% price.

In the end, go with someone who knows what they are doing and keeps your sites up and running so you make money.

Jamie · 04-11-2003, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by Romeo_CandidCam

Your bill at CandidHosting would be for

Average Out: 35.8 Mb/s
*We bill for AVG (50th %) Outbound traffic only

Sure, but your price per megabit is going to be higher when billed on average.

[illnet]-Romeo · 04-11-2003, 11:47 AM

Check out CandidHosting
Our Prices are all on there

Feel free to hit me up for a quote as well

Snake Doctor · 04-11-2003, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Master_Yoba

seriously?

35.8 Mb/s as your customer's mrtg graph shows? Not "Independent" stat service?
Oh, man you're going to beat the market!

btw, maybe it depends on your regular prices

Yeah I just checked and there are no MBPS prices on the site. Only by the gig virtual prices and server rent for dedicateds.

A host that bills you on average mbps instead of 95th percentile mbps will charge roughly twice as much per meg.
It all comes down to "how much per actual gig transferred". Everything else is smoke and mirrors to make prices look better.

For those of you that "think" you're paying 20 cents a gig, get last months hosting bill, and then check your logs to see how many gigs you actually transferred out. Divide A by B and you'll be very surprised at what that number is.

[illnet]-Romeo · 04-11-2003, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Moose

In the end, go with someone who knows what they are doing and keeps your sites up and running so you make money.

Please don't seriously tell me you are questioning out reputation 99.99% uptime here

04-11-2003, 04:05 AM	#1
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	How low will bandwidth prices go? Every year bandwidth gets cheaper and cheaper. Three years ago, I was paying $2.50/gb for quality bandwidth, now I pay $0.25/gb for even better quality bandwidth (non-cogent). How low will it go? What will it be in 2004? 2005? 2006? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	Shit that's low... I'm paying .60 __________________

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	You guys are paying more than 25c a gig still? __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

04-11-2003, 04:33 AM	#8
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	I'm keeping my host a secret, I like to keep that competitive advantage to myself. They're a host that mostly deals in mainstream, but they sell some of their quality bandwidth really cheap to some adult companies so they can maintain huge volumes so they can get cheaper rates from their provider. They sell the same bandwidth to mainstream companies for waaay more than adult companies. By the way, that price $0.25/gb ($80/mbps) includes a dual CPU Dell server with huge SCSI HDs. Best hosting I've ever had, with no downtime. Tech support rocks. 99.99% uptime. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

04-11-2003, 04:33 AM	#9
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	.16 here. If I use my server to the max that is. So in reality like .30$ __________________ ..and I'm off.

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SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	More bandwidth you buy, cheaper it gets. I bet Nastydollars gets their bandwidth at like $0.02/gig for the huge bulk they buy __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	In 2004 they will pay you to use their server.

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Buffed Body Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 114	80 bucks per mbit = 25 cents a gig? WTF? You manage to squeeze 320 gigs out of every mbit/sec? Your traffic doesn't peak? It just stays exactly stable 24/7? __________________ Ambition is as common as dirt.

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Asswipe, no they don't sell by the gig. But at the average price of 35k per gig-e connection you will get around 10 cents a gig. Level 3, Williams and Verio will sell for 35k per gig. Stop using Jesus's name in vain. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Sorry, I've never been an employee but I have brokered and bought enough circuts to know what it costs. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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Master_Yoba Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dagobah Posts: 1,273	We have $.19 per gig here. Real Xeon servers, 100 mbits burstables, no Cogent, no Verio, no transit traffic and NO this F_U_C_K_I_N_G "Percentage 95" method __________________ WATCH MORE PORN

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Lazy Bob Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: LI, NY Posts: 37	I'm in the market for a new host (managed servers) Currently at Servint paying way to much for anything and everything..... about the only thing they have going for themselves right now is decent 24/7 tech support I've looked at swiftco, isprime, xxxwebhosting and a few others. Anybody use any of these? Good or Bad? Can anyone recommend a host I should look into? I don't want cogent/verio BW, and I want 24/7 tech support with a real live person

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Kick Ass Chat Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,057	Most of you are clueless. There is so much more to what the end user pays then the cost that your host buys their raw bandwidth for. Examples, Their data center costs, switches, touters, misc hardware, Techs, office staff, .....the list goes on and on....

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Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	I get .50/gig which is nice and juicy and quality bw

04-11-2003, 09:28 AM	#34
x582 Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: heh? Posts: 609	when you guys are saying $65 per mbps - is it at 95th percentile or 50th percentile (average)?

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Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Pretty much any provider can give you 25 cents a gig if you order enough bandwidth. I think prices may go up if Cogent goes out of business.

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[illnet]-Romeo Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tampa, Fl, USA Posts: 1,207	95th is not good for spikes. We charge on the 50th percentile which is the avg of wht you sustain per month. not 95% of what you use. I'll make it simple for ya, would you rather pay 95% for a product or 50% for that same product. Don't over think it it's not a hard concept __________________ Brian C aka Romeo JBWebCash.com Brian at Jbwebcash.com

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Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	We've had this discussion on this board a hundred times before. Most people on non-cogent bandwidth pay around 50 cents a gig. The rest of you "think" you pay less than that. Fuck mbps, 95th percentile, 50th percentile and all that shit. Ask a host flat out what they'll bill you BY THE GIG. Tell them you want to pay for what you use, no more, no less. The price you get for that is the price you'll end up paying on any of their other plans. (capped 10mbps line, 95th percentile, etc etc) __________________ sig too big

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foreverjason Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,452	Ok I get bandwidth at around 20 cents per gig.

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JDog Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canby, OR Posts: 7,453	what exactly is the "95 Percentile"? I believe that is what our hosting company is doing? Thanks, JDog

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[illnet]-Romeo Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Tampa, Fl, USA Posts: 1,207	Check out CandidHosting Our Prices are all on there Feel free to hit me up for a quote as well __________________ Brian C aka Romeo JBWebCash.com Brian at Jbwebcash.com