[QUOTE]Originally posted by ebus_dk
[B]

AVIS is sold because people (the users) are used to the.....................





Ah Avis is a car rental company, you mean Avid.

the "timeline" was edited on a mac, yes.
BUT - Its because they use the "metadata" workflow, when they do all the editing on a client, that sends the "metadata" to the serverpark that does all the hard work (usually a Flint, Smoke, Infernal or one of the other SGI solitions that cost above $10 mill)

i can give you 10 more links to benchmark tests, you dont impress me.

as I said, i have friends who are professional videographers, ranging from a snowboarding videographer pal who is into documentary type snowboard shoots for years.

my other friend films natureand last videos he sent me were quictime panarama videos from alaska him in a canoe on the water surrounded by glaciers smoking a joint.

im not into video, i do audio.

ive been using mac since before the performas came out, and been using macs for electronic music production in studios since 93. shit i still have a 6400 mac running a black and white cam in the studio hahah

i only go with what i know, im not here to prove which is better, but i know people who are using these machines, are using mac. from dr dre to megadeth done with a mac.

i have a mac g4 running digidesign pro tools with 2 180 gig hard drives in an ATA approved flight case on wheels that even holds the monitor that is rented out for 500 bucks a day, show me someone doing that with a pc.

<img src=http://www.overmindesign.com/images/mac.jpg border="1">

every time i edit audio on a cinema display digital audio set up, theres no question in my mind where the flavor is.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oliver Klozov
[B]I know, I hit the wrong key - you know that the "S" and "D" key is besides each other right?

Nobody has addressed the most negative thing in the proposed system: With Windows (I have no experience on Macs outside of some college graphics courses so I can't comment on that), one hard drive, regardless of how large it is, is not going to give good performance with video work. You must have at least two hard drives- a system drive and a drive devoted solely to video files.

Also, Compac is not the easiest system to add anything onto to it, including a secondary hard drive.

that case cost more than a pc.

hahaha

Ahh yeah brother the macs are winning out again. I wish we had more mac debate on this site, or on my site for that matter, but hell I'm always willing to debate an uneducated Microsuck victim.

What if you just partition the drive? Is that a solution or do you really need 2 seperate physical drives?

oliver uses mac. extremely high quality video paysite. i use mac (from capture, to editing, to encoding). extremely high quality video paysite (so i'm told).

use a pc, use a mac - whatever makes you happy. cheers...

:glugglug

TRy to visit CeBit next time, you will se how small MAC is in the REAL business :thumbsup

Im in the Broadcast and Broduction bussiness - Not Homeuser, I know how the business works, and what products they use.
I can give you a list of more than 200 happy customers that bought our turnkey products in 2002 (only 5% of them is MAC customers) ( I keep saying "our" but the company isent mine anymore :1orglaugh ) But its not about that.

Marcus Asked if the PC did the job, and the answer is "yes"

They're talking about doing hardcore video editing work in an optimal setup. For what you are looking to do bro, just basics and nothing that is going to be a major drain on system resources you will be able to do what you want to do with one drive and a good basic system. There is even a version of Final Cut called Final Cut Express at a much lower price with a few of the super pro features removed that you could use if you wanted and it's going to be cheaper than After Effects or Premiere. So don't get too worried or caught up in the majority of this conversation. You'll do fine with a basic mac setup until you are making bigger money and doing more hardcore work then you might want to head into a dual processor mac.

NO - you need 2 drives.

AND you should only use SCSI (mac uses IDE to the OS and SCSI to the media files)

Its because of diskpreformance, and you need to put it on a seperate "BUS" to get the right speed

Im out - have to do some REAL work :winkwink:

Apple Computer Dual PowerPC G4 processor 1.42 Ghz

and

the new Final Cut Pro 4

is the only way to go, very fast, very stable and very easy to use.

If your going to be doing MPEGs you will love Mac and a dual processor it makes life so easy.

Do you want to spend your time fixing your computer or making movies and making money?

All my movies are done on a Mac

http://www.oliversmovies.com/tgp/cry...854/index.html

thank you everyone for the helpful input :Graucho

Two seperate physical drives are needed. And the video drive should be defragged before every session.

Tried it other ways, including partitions, and the performance of having a physical drive devoted only to video files included not only faster rendering but meant fewer errors.

The reason is simply that hard drives are more efficient closer to the hub. If you partition the drive, your system files are going to take the innermost tracks. And with Windows, that may well be quite a chunk of prime real estate.

some good articles on the mac vs pc

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/c...macvspciii.htm

http://www.videobuyersguide.com/video-pc_or_mac.html

"Slaughtered Again"

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2...macvspciii.htm


Engineers and Video professionals still use Macs because it's what they are used to, not necassarily because it works better.
It's kinda like that girlfriend you stayed with longer than you wanted to because you felt comfortable with her and didn't want to have to learn a new chcks problems.


If you know how to use a tool by all means use that tool because you will be faster on it. Don't try to come here and say a Mac is faster though. That is no longer true.

I HATE MACS... and Final Cut Pro is really cool.. but working on Macs and the incompatibility between PC and Mac will cause problems. Go with a PC and Premiere.

Valid point Validus.

Any of you guys hear about the predictions that MAC will switch to P4 processors within a year?

I believe it was John C. Dvorak who said it. He's a dink, but a lot of the time he ends up being right.

Any thoughts from the Mac users?

You PC guys are so funny and the mentality that makes one a follower is something I have never understood. You don't know that a mac just makes more sense because you never really use one. That's like you telling me your Ford Focus is better than a Lexus because you've never driven one and you never have problems with your Ford. And for Wolf you just love to cause trouble but you know better than the bullshit you're posting. You guys and your overpriced playstations crack me up.

It's good.

this is one of them
http://corehosting.com/comp.jpg

to be honest macs are good to have if you like to download music and checking email cause they are less prone to viruses