I'm not sure if you post this stuff to fool us. Or if you believe it. It's not people that count, it'sthe money they have to spend.

https://www.google.cz/webhp?hl=en&gw...ng+class+wages

Now go look at other Asian countries.

If a real war started, China would quickly run out of fuel as it has no oil resources to fuel its military.

If the EU joined in. China would come begging for mercy. Or there would be another People's Rising.

The problem is getting the bosses of all the companies that rely on Chinese Imports to agree. List of Fortune 500 companies and their websites | Zyxware Technologies

How many of them are knee-deep in building up the Third World?

European Union US$567.2 billion the EU trade as 1 block. Working together cripples China.
United States: US$410.8 billion
Hong Kong: $334.3 billion
Japan: $135.9 billion
South Korea: $101.5 billion
Vietnam: $66.4 billion

The biggest reason for debt as high as they are now is the loss of exports of manufactured goods.

Not only did it remove jobs, it removed the taxes earned by those companies and put people into relying on the State rather than contributing to the State. So long as the present trend continues, debt will rise.

Spain, Portugal, Greece, etc. Problems are they little in the way of a private sector contributing to the taxes to service their debts. Look at how much they borrowed against other countries. Small amounts until they're put up against real GDP. Real GDP is dropping in the West. We are now too reliant on the casinos that go from boom to bust too easily.

If the EU joined in ?

Why would the EU want to help Trump. The guy that openly mocks the EU, thinks Farage is a great guy, and states that Brexit was a smart move. Get a grip.

The living standards of the western world depend on cheap consumer goods manufactured in China. It is utter fantasy to suggest that there are simple populist solutions to the transfer of low skilled jobs to low cost territories.

Silly old hypocrites like you and Trump believe this shite, but the reality is a lot more complex.

:2 cents:

Look what Russia imports now to see why you don't have a clue.

Because the US imports too much and exports too little. Throwing people out of work is very expensive.

higher wages, taxes and less government spending

Via automation.

If that was true, the US would never have got so powerful.

It's all about $$$ spent. Not number of items bought.

No higher production as companies come back to the West.

Then why are all the fastest growing economies outside thwe West?

China and the Third World is now robbing the West of jobs, replacing them with jobs on a wage too low to buy as much as they sell. So you're right on (a) and wrong on (b) because there is no give and take.

With respect, research the flow of wealth from the First World to the Third. Look at the incomes of most in the Third World. Then look at the growing poverty, low wages, unemployment and reliance on the State in the first.

Look at the trends and then project them forward by 20 years. The essential element for the future is whether the automated factories of the future are where they are, what country they contribute wealth to.

Then will China take over as the centre for financial industries? The West loses that and it's game over.

These Companies Are at Risk in a U.S.-China Trade War |www.bloomberg.com

You might want to read this before you parrot the I hate China mantra.
I know you probably won't. So here is a quote ...

What natural resources does China have?

However, if you think iPhones aren't cheap. You just hinted at how successful you are in the world.

Reserve mean nothing. It's the jobs for Chinese workers and profits for the bosses that matter. Once they're under threat China is at the table trying to give more and take less.

Agree with you about the voting system. It's in the grip of the people who are benefiting from the present situation and wanted Clinton to keep it going.

Too bring back jobs to the EU that pay a decent wage.

Agree. People have had their incomes ravaged by present policies so can only afford cheap imported stuff. Bringing back low skilled jobs!!! Have you seen what China's producing these days? Better to bring them back than keep losing them

Again someone who relies on cheap imports to get by.

How long before your job gets exported?

Or just lost because your customers are on benefits?

I suggest you join Thommy and research the situation over the last 40 years. Then project it forward.

There is no god. We are killing the planet and we will soon be a footnote in the very long history of this great planet we evolved on and then abused so badly. I hope I live long enough to see the end.

the bitter truth:

you got fat...fat wants to stay fat...staying fat does not entail sharing the cookie or working for it...you are now looking for a miracle weight loss supplement and trump promised you one :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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I suggest you stop acting like a silly cunt who knows everything when in fact you are a parasitic old migrant. At least sex tourists go home at some point.

:thumbsup

paul:

what you do not understand about economy is that you will increase the costs for any kind of production dramaticly.
that means that products will become more expensive and will be baught LESS. if products are bought less, it iwill decrease the number of people who get work from it and with that the potencial buyers will become even lesser.

If you want to make growing you have to use the most advantage out of every part. means that technology countries can possibly easier and cheaper find new technologies but they can´t produce them cheap because the labour costs re too high.

you also can´t compare labour costs with standards of a country. I live in Thailand and here the majority have less than a 5000 dollar income per year. but the can live from that. show me an american who can live from 5000 per year.
but to prevent that prices going far over the existing limit they would have to work for that money to make the pricecalculation same it was before.

that what you think will NOT bring higher wages, taxes and less government spending it will be the opposite, because a number of underpaid workers will pay a MUCH LOWER ammount of tax because first of all the % is lower on small incomes as on high and 2nd the ammount is lower too.
if one person is making a million per year the country gets a MUCH higher percentage of that as you give the same ammount of money to 100 workers, right or not ?
so HOW can the taxes become more ?

and HOW do this 100 pay for the products if they do not make sufficient on their production? I tell you what they are going to do - the will safe their own jobs away.

and another thing you should compare is not only the lower income and lower costs in china against higher income against higher costs - the PRIVATE household in china have nearly no dept. so if it would be nessecary there is still potential. in usa this potential was over it´s limit 25 years ago already.

yes maybe after a decade of 50 or 60 years we will find new ways and regulations but they will be based on the same logics of the economic cycle - and we pay this wiseness with 50 or 60 years of wars, revolutions and poverty.

i am not worry about trump and his lobby - they will have made a fortune in that time. who am i worry are the people who are working hard for a little better life but they are handycapped in their knowledge about economies and did exactly the wrong step.

for my opinion a democracy is a pure pharse if people can vote for things waht they do not understand.

and THIS is not only a strategy in the US. that happens all over the world. I remember that they discussed in Germany a few years ago, to give voterights for EVERY member of a familiy - even for babies what are 6 days old. And they had the idea to give that voting right to the parents.
Now imagin a family with 12 children and no clue about nothing have the power to overvote the smartest and highly interessted person with a good knowledge and far view.
That shows EXACTLY the strategy of the political scene in the word because the best option to become the king is to be the one eyed under blinds.

greetings
thommy

ah i forgot to answer this one:

90% of the world production of industry metals are from china.
97% of the so called "rare earth elements" or "strategic metals" what are need especially in the high tech industry like mobilephones, computer, hybrid cars, wind tourbines etc. are from china.

china gave up the monopol for it in 2015 following an arbitration of the world trade organization and exports them to the whole world (btw. this abritration was caused by complaint of the USA)

Here is a list of this rare earth elements including where they can be found.

i don´t know how big is the % factor in "imports from china" is on that but i think it is quite funny that a country declares a trade war against another one who have what they need.

it´s your turn now to explain me how US technology want to survive by don´t import from china. voodoo ? or maybe buy it from south america where is 1% of this ressources?
or let the europeans made some win to buy it first from china and then put something on top and sell it to USA ?
what is your and donalds plan on that ?

greetings
thommy

You flood GFY with Junk, we wish we could cut you off. Sadly it's not that simple.

This is not taking in to account all the manufacturing business the US does with China..

Example if Apple suddenly pulled it's manufacturering from China and moved it to say Mexico..

It hurts Apple short term but foxcom the Chinese manufacturer is out of business while Apple rolls on.

China companies do not own the products they are making, they are middle man labor.

China has not developed companies that own their bands, they produce parts and pieces. They don't have companies like Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Levis, ect..ect

We let China destroy their landscape for REE so we don't have too, not because they are only found in China.

we are not talking about chinas landscape - we are talking abour USAs landscape when they have to find that stuff for MUCH higher labour on their continent.

I am not a friend of chinas politics but I am a realistic person and I know that not ONE of this chinese products went to USA on own feet and kicked out other products from the shops.
the reason why this products are there are because someone ordered them because his buyers WANT this products. ALL of them in this chain are not chinese they are 100% americans. NOBODY forced them to buy this products.

here are some links and as usual not from fake news portals

READ HERE WHAT THE US-CHINA BUSINESS COUNCIL SAY

READ HERE WHAT GOODS AMERICAN IS IMPORTING FROM CHINA

READ HERE WHAT GOODS THEY ARE EXPORTING TO CHINA

look on the last links also the numbers from the amercian key industries planes, trains, chemicals, industrial engines and tell me who will buy them and keep the jobs with that.

alone boeing have a plan to sell more than 7000 airplanes to china. what will happen to this company when trump cut this market line off ?
and yes there ARE other plane factories in europe what are not smaller or worse than boeing.

and this is just ONE of thousands of US-companies what are surviving from that market.
how can someone think that 1,4 billion chinese people with another 3 billion asian what are trade connected with the ASEAN contract can not hit the US economy. we talking about more than half of the world population. and up to here we did not include russia, europe and a bunch of other nations what will not accept to be second.

greetings
thommy

Trump is about putting country first. China has treated America like a dog for too long, constantly screwing us over for money. China wasted all of our good will to them by fucking us over for years.

China closes itself off from the world & free speech & artistic expression yet wants the world to do business with them and fuck us over on every deal. China outlawing all VPN and related apps & services by 2018 - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

you where answering too fast that you would be even able to read what i say and linked.

you just IGNORE facts because you can´t accept another meaning.

maybe the world with a population of 8 Billion will loose 350 million buyers but the country with 350 million will lose 8 billion buyers. who do you think can stand that hit?

greetings

thommy

forgot to answer that.

sure they are doing that because the war has already started and the first thing they will do to cut of the media - what is the similar strategy of trump in USA by calling the media liars and try to find a way to rule them.

and from the history of my country i know that hitler did the same.

where the fuck is the difference?

greetings

thommy

The difference is China is cutting off access to media.

Trump is calling the media names.

In America we can protest the government by the millions and not be arrested, not so in China.

China has taken advantage of America's goodwill for too long and now America doesn't want to play with China so much.

i agree with a lot of things you say but you have no idea what's happening in China

just for a start: Apple is only like 30% of Foxconns revenue. It would hurt them if Apple left but it won't kill them

and many Chinese companies have very deep pockets to buy western businesses and akquire knowhow they might be lacking

Yea I 100% agree that Trump is making dictatorship type moves. He will fail though. A few reports have leaked out if you can believe their sources..

1) Trump apparently wanted his inauguration to include military Hardware including tanks, mobile missile launchers to roll down Pennsylvania Ave. The Military told him absolutely not gonna happen. When that failed he reportedly tried to get them to fly military jets over the air space.

(source Right wing Tabloid news site https://nypost.com/2017/01/20/milita...-inauguration/ again who knows if you can believe the source because it was nypost and Huff post.. both extremely biased shitholes)

2) It seems Trump's little speech at the CIA had the exact opposite effect as he seems to think. It seem it pissed the intelligence office off even more because they said he disrespected them and only did it to bolster himself. (example when Obama gave a speech there he asked the CIA for "their help" in fighting our foes but Trump made it all about him by saying "he's behind" them.(like he's the kind wizard). Very subtle difference, but in the scope of the two speeches makes a lot of difference and the CIA/intelligence agencies noticed)

(source: Sources say Trump's CIA visit made relations with intel community worse - CBS News )

Meaning this country is not Germany or any other, Trump might "want" to be a little dictator but it wont happen here. Too many people in this country have guns and will fight back at that sort of notion. Much less no one likes Trump except his brainwashed goons. He barely has any support in the govt as it is..

China pretty much blocks themselves off from the western world except for business where it manipulates agreements to fuck over their partners.

Let America withdraw and let China stand on its own no big deal. America will suffer but we'll get through it, we always do. We made an error in feeding China's communist machine in the name of profits.

American Businesses in China
Selling or Manufacturing in China and some exporting to the USA
All would be subject to retaliatory tariffs
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AT&T
Abercrombe & Fitch
Abbott Laboratories
Acer Electronics
Ademco Security
Adidas
ADI Security
AGI- American Gem Institute
AIG Financial
Agrilink Foods, Inc. (ProFac)
Allergan Laboratories
American Eagle Outfitters
American Standard
American Tourister
Ames Tools
Amphenol Corporation
Amway Corporation
Analog Devices, Inc.
Apple Computer
Armani
Armour Meats
Ashland Chemical
Ashley Furniture
Associated Grocers
Audi Motors
AudioVox
AutoZone, Inc.
Avon

Banana Republic
Bausch & Lomb, Inc.
Baxter International
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Belkin Electronics
Best Buy
Best Foods
Big 5 Sporting Goods
Black & Decker
Body Shop
Borden Foods
Briggs & Stratton

Calrad Electric
Campbell 's Soup
Canon Electronics
Carole Cable
Casio Instrument
Caterpillar, Inc.
CBC America
CCTV Outlet
Checker Auto
CitiCorp
Cisco Systems
Chiquita Brands International
Claire's Boutique
Cobra Electronics
Coby Electronics
Coca Cola Foods
Colgate-Palmolive
Colorado Spectrum
ConAgra Foods
Cooper Tire
Corning, Inc.
Coleman Sporting Goods
Compaq
Crabtree & Evelyn
Cracker Barrel Stores
Craftsman Tools (see Sears)
Cummins, Inc.

Dannon Foods
Dell Computer
Del Monte Foods
Dewalt Tools
DHL
Dial Corporation
Diebold, Inc.
Dillard's, Inc.
Dodge-Phelps
Dole Foods
Dollar Tree Stores, Inc.
Dow-Corning

Eastman Kodak
EchoStar
Eclipse CCTV
Edge Electronics Group
Electric Vehicles USA, Inc.
Eli Lilly Company
Emerson Electric
Enfamil
Estee Lauder
Eveready

Family Dollar Stores
FedEx
Fisher Scientific
Ford Motors
Fossil
Frito Lay
Furniture Brands International

GAP Stores
Gateway Computer
GE, General Electric
General Foods International
General Mills
General Motors
Gentek
Gerber Foods
Gillette Company
Goodrich Company
Goodyear Tire
Google
Gucci
Guess?

Haagen-Dazs
Harley Davidson
Hasbro Company
Heinz Foods
Hershey Foods
Hitachi
Hoffman-LaRoche
Holt's Automotive Products
Hormel Foods
Home Depot
Honda Motor
Hoover Vacuum
HP Computer
Honda
Honeywell
Hubbell Inc.
Huggies
Hunts-Wesson Foods

ICON Office Solutions
IBM
Ikea
Intel Corporation

J.C. Penny's
J.M. Smucker Company
John Deere
Johnson Control
Johnson & Johnson
Johnstone Supply
JVC Electronics

KB Home
Keebler Foods
Kenwood Audio
KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken
Kimberly Clark
Knorr Foods
K-Mart
Kohler
Kohl's Corporation
Kraft Foods
Kragen Auto

Land's End
Lee Kum Kee Foods
Lexmark
LG Electronics
Lipton Foods
L.L. Bean, Inc.
Logitech
Libby's Foods
Linen & Things
Lipo Chemicals, Inc.
Lowe's Hardware
Lucent Technologies
Lufkin

Mars Candy
Martha Stewart Products
Mattel
McCormick Foods
McDonald's
McKesson Corporation
Megellan GPS
Memorex
Merck & Company
Michael's Stores
Mitsubishi Electronics
Mitsubishi Motors
Mobile Oil
Molex
Motorola
Motts Applesauce
Multifoods Corporation

Nabisco Foods
National Semiconductor
Nescafe
Nestles Foods
Nextar
Nike
Nikon
Nivea Cosmetics
Nokia Electronics
Northrop Grumman Corporation
NuSkin International
Nutrilite (see Amway)
Nvidia Corporation (G-Force)

Office Depot
Olin Corporation
Old Navy
Olympus Electronics
Orion-Knight Electronics

Pacific Sunwear, Inc.
Pamper's
Panasonic
Pan Pacific Electronics
Panvise
Papa Johns
Payless Shoesource
Pelco
Pentax Optics
Pep Boy's
Pepsico International
PetsMart
Petco
Pfizer, Inc.
Philips Electronics
Phillip Morris Companies
Pier 1 Imports
Pierre Cardin
Pillsbury Company
Pioneer Electronics
Pitney Bowes, Inc.
Pizza Hut
Plantronics
PlaySchool Toys
Polaris Industries
Polaroid
Polo (see Ralph Loren)
Post Cereals
Price-Pfister
Pringles
Praxair
Proctor & Gamble
PSS World Medical
Pyle Audio

Qualcomm
Quest One

Radio Shack
Ralph Loren
RCA
Reebok International
Reynolds Aluminum
Revlon
Rohm & Hass Company

Samsonite
Samsung
Sanyo
Shell Oil
Schwinn Bike
Sears-Craftsman
Seven-Eleven (7-11)
Sharp Electronics
Sherwin-Williams
Shure Electronics
Sony
Speco Technologies/Pro Video
Shopko Stores
Skechers Footwear
SmartHome
Smucker's (see J.M. Smucker's)
Solar Power, Inc.
Spencer Gifts
Stanley Tools
Staple's
Starbucks Corporation
Steelcase, Inc.
STP Oil
Sunkist Growers
SunMaid Raisins
Sunglass Hut
Sunkist
Subway Sandwiches
Switchcraft Electronics
SYSCO Foods
Sylvania Electric

3-M
Tai Pan Trading Company
Tamron Optics
Target
TDK
Tektronix, Inc
Texas Instruments
Timex
Timken Bearing
TNT
Tommy Hilfiger
Toro
Toshiba
Tower Automotive
Toyota
Toy's R Us, Inc.
Trader Joe's
Tripp-lite
True Value Hardware
Tupper Ware
Tyson Foods

Uniden Electronics
UPS

Valspar Corporation
Victoria 's Secret
Vizio Electronics
Volkswagen
VTech

Walgreen Company
Walt Disney Company
Walmart
WD-40 Corporation
Weller Electric Company
Western Digital
Westinghouse Electric
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Wilson Sporting Goods
Wrigley
WW Grainger, Inc.
Wyeth Laboratories

X-10
Xelite
Xerox

Yahoo
Yamaha
Yoplait Foods
Yum Brands

Zale Corporation

Like Thommy said - it's 300 million Americans vs. 4 billion Asians

sure, close your borders, bring back manufacturing, build the iPhone yourself (hard to achieve btw without rare earth metals from China) but unless you also raise minimum wage to $40 per hour, it will be a very grim life.

And if Donny also manages to alienate EU, Canada and Mexico, he and Mrs. Mayhem from UK can try to live in their own little bubble but it won't be fun.

world economics doesn't work like this

Shows how out of touch you are with America and what is happening here. Macy's is going downhill fast as most retailers, it is spelled K-Mart and they are in the shitter too and Ralphs is a grocery store chain with very limited presence in the US except in south CA.

Next you will explain to us all about parking issues with ford pintos and who makes the best cleaner to get fondue stains out of shag rugs.

LOL at flaming Ford Pintos
Made in the USA #1

Apple was an example, but most of the other companies foxconn does business with are US companies or "non Chinese companies.. Foxconn isn't moving their own products. They aren't producing their own brands and selling them world-wide, meaning if they lose their manufacturing business they are dead. Foxconn makes other companies products, they aren't researching and developing stuff to sell or creating new products/markets.


Again, I don't think much of anything will happen. Trump is a blow hard and he will get a lot of resistance from US companies.. He will do a lot of huffing and puffing in the media and then he and china will play nice..

edit..

As a side note this sort of proves the argument even more that China is just a labor pool.. I always thought Foxconn was Chinese but it's not. It's a Taiwan-based firm. Meaning it's not even a Chinese company. They could just as easily build factories elsewhere and keep US relations..during a trade war, if that actually happen and China couldn't do anything to stop them.

We're talking about CHINA

China is abusing its relationship with America, and as you can see from their statements, they are very threatening. "Do business with us or else".

America should never have fed the Chinese communist machine its turned into a monster that needs to be slayed, or left alone to fend for itself.

It's ironic people mention a WORLD economy and in the next breath say you won't survive without CHINA :1orglaugh

Before China a lot of our manufacturing was in Taiwan, the Phillipines & India

you guys are free to not believe what I say - I guess we will see soon who's right

it is not only that what some people do not want to understand.
when they are talking baout china imports they think on the 2 dolla shirt in walmart (what would cost 20 dollar when it is produced in USA).

as you see on the links i´ve posted USA is importing a lot of basic materials for their own high-tech industry what is later beeing exported to other countries with a high profit.

the majority of imports from china are NOT t-shirts and not even the majority of the 2-dollar sirts are from there because most of them are made in carribean free trade zones what where INSPIRED by honored us goverments and the US industry.

i mean it is his first day today and he already canceled TPP, fucked the dollar and the stocks and deleared war against all and everything including US media because they just prooved his lies.

i can not see anything good in that and i hope that american people wake up before it is too late.

greetings
thommy

I am already picking stock and FOREX plays waiting for what develops.
Buying while the blood is in the water works well too ...:2 cents:

Not even in office a week and tRump is starting a trade war. You can bet rich people will not be taking it up the ass on this one. But who will? The poor and middle class of Amerika that's who. Good times in tRumputin land. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

trump reminds me of that avengers civil war movie, where ant man becomes tiny and enters iron mans suit and just starts fucking random shit up :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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"China has a large and varied stock of natural resources, including many minerals. The country has about 12 percent of the world's mineral resources, with only the United States and Russia possessing larger proportions. There are sizeable reserves of coal, iron, tin, copper, lead, zinc, molybdenum, tungsten, mercury, graphite, antimony, magnesite, fluorspar, and other minerals."


"China?s natural resources include its vast farmland, water supply, mineral deposits, and plant and animal biodiversity. The country is rich with natural resources and utilizes them for tourism and exporting."

So they can sell those resources to the West.

I really have no idea why you're in favour of the Third World producing goods the First World use to export and increasingly making most people in the First World poorer.

That's the problem with naming actual stores.

I was trying to point out how lowering people's incomes, trickles down onto other people. I guessed I will have to treat you like a 5 year old and explain things clearer.