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  • EddyTheDog
    Just Doing My Own Thing
    • Jan 2011
    • 25433
    #1

    News Trump does it again...

    Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, to be top adviser - BBC News

    President-elect Donald Trump is to make son-in-law Jared Kushner one of his senior advisers.
    The 35-year-old played a key role in the presidential campaign and his new White House job will cover both domestic and foreign policy.
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    • onwebcam
      Fake Nick 1.0
      • Oct 2005
      • 27689
      #2
      What did he do? Hire another successful business person? We are doomed with all of the successful business people running the country. I mean WTF? No life long politicians?
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        • Bladewire
          StraightBro
          • Aug 2003
          • 56228
          #3
          Originally posted by onwebcam
          What did he do? Hire another successful business person? We are doomed with all of the successful business people running the country. I mean WTF? No life long politicians?


          Just "another successful business person"?

          Being forced to do things and oversee because your corrupt father went to federal prison is hardly "another successful business person".

          Its possible guys down south are conditioned to admire and submit to anyone in a suit. If they wear a suit they must be smarter than me and more successful than me. That's how me and my red neck friends were conditioned in Washington state.

          What has he done that makes him "another successful business person"? I don't think you know his actual history and the alt-rightaid tells you Jared Kushner is a "another successful business person"





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            • RedFred
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2016
              • 9782
              #4
              Its what dictators do, place family members in their cabinet. Saddam, Castro, Gaddafi, etc.

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                • crockett
                  in a van by the river
                  • May 2003
                  • 76818
                  #5
                  Turn around everyone nothing to see here, no conflicts of interest.. btw who will run the family business now?

                  It's just a circus everyone..
                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                    • Bladewire
                      StraightBro
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 56228
                      #6
                      Originally posted by RedFred
                      Its what dictators do, place family members in their cabinet. Saddam, Castro, Gaddafi, etc.
                      They also hire their own security. Trump is keeping his personal security to protect him from the secret service. They also do the ruff up work that secret service refuses to do on citizens.

                      Donald Trump Doesn't Trust the Secret Service, Will Keep His Own Security Force


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                        • RedFred
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2016
                          • 9782
                          #7
                          It also violates Federal law


                          A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official.

                          law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110

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                            • Smack dat
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jul 2016
                              • 4613
                              #8
                              Looks like a good decision to me.

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                                • bronco67
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Dec 2006
                                  • 29032
                                  #9
                                  It would be fun to sit back and watch the shit show unfold, if not for being so scared of what could actually happen to the country -- and my family.

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                                    • Rochard
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                                      • Dec 2001
                                      • 75733
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by onwebcam
                                      What did he do? Hire another successful business person? We are doomed with all of the successful business people running the country. I mean WTF? No life long politicians?
                                      nep·o·tism
                                      ˈnepəˌtizəm
                                      noun

                                      the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
                                      synonyms: favoritism, preferential treatment, the old boy network, looking after one's own, bias, partiality, partisanship
                                      "hiring my daughter was not nepotism?it was just good business"
                                      Herschel Savage
                                      Brooklyn, NY

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                                        • mineistaken
                                          See signature :)
                                          • Apr 2007
                                          • 29656
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by RedFred
                                          Its what dictators do, place family members in their cabinet. Saddam, Castro, Gaddafi, etc.
                                          so if you have a talented relative you can not hire him because dictators used to hire non talented relatives?
                                          If you are most qualified for the job and relative, you should not be hired?

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                                            • mineistaken
                                              See signature :)
                                              • Apr 2007
                                              • 29656
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by bronco67
                                              It would be fun to sit back and watch the shit show unfold, if not for being so scared of what could actually happen to the country -- and my family.
                                              this is laughable Scared for a family
                                              At least horatio was smart enough to claim that nothing would change. Yet some people are scared for a family, libby news fear mongered you well
                                              What could happen to your family?

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                                                • Rochard
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                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                  • 75733
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by RedFred
                                                  It also violates Federal law


                                                  A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official.

                                                  law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110
                                                  All kidding aside.... I didn't think this included "son in law". However, according to your link....

                                                  ?relative? means, with respect to a public official, an individual who is related to the public official as father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, nephew, niece, husband, wife, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, stepfather, stepmother, stepson, stepdaughter, stepbrother, stepsister, half brother, or half sister.

                                                  This is clearly illegal.
                                                  Herschel Savage
                                                  Brooklyn, NY

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                                                    • Bladewire
                                                      StraightBro
                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                      • 56228
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                      so if you have a talented relative you can not hire him because dictators used to hire non talented relatives?
                                                      If you are most qualified for the job and relative, you should not be hired?
                                                      "Russian oligarch (see related term "New Russians") is used to describe wealthy businessmen of the former Soviet republics that rapidly accumulated their wealth during the era of Russian privatization in the aftermath of the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the 1990s."

                                                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarch


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                                                        • crockett
                                                          in a van by the river
                                                          • May 2003
                                                          • 76818
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                          so if you have a talented relative you can not hire him because dictators used to hire non talented relatives?
                                                          If you are most qualified for the job and relative, you should not be hired?
                                                          You will make excuses for anything as long as it's your guy/team.. Why don't you just get a rubber stamp so you can just check off everything "OK because of Trump". No need to reply, because we already know it's fine by you..
                                                          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                            • Rochard
                                                              Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                              • 75733
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                              so if you have a talented relative you can not hire him because dictators used to hire non talented relatives?
                                                              If you are most qualified for the job and relative, you should not be hired?
                                                              That is correct.

                                                              This is because JFK installed his brother Robert Kennedy as Attorney General.

                                                              You can argue Robert Kennedy never really had a job and had no experience in state or federal court. He served "two years in the Navy" but that all schooling and training, was an aide to Adlai Stevenson during his campaign, and was counsel on a Senate Investigative committee.
                                                              Herschel Savage
                                                              Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                • CaptainHowdy
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                  • 94735
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Hail to the king, baby!

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                                                                    • RedFred
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Feb 2016
                                                                      • 9782
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                      so if you have a talented relative you can not hire him because dictators used to hire non talented relatives?
                                                                      If you are most qualified for the job and relative, you should not be hired?

                                                                      Have you ever known a mayor, governor, senator, president to have a family member on their appointed staff? I thought this was common knowledge.

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                                                                        • Bladewire
                                                                          StraightBro
                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 56228
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by CaptainHowdy
                                                                          Hail to the king, baby!
                                                                          Suck it






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                                                                            • RyuLion
                                                                              ClubDomCash.com
                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                              • 32369
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                              Suck it





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                                                                                • Struggle4Bucks
                                                                                  Sieg Hi!
                                                                                  • May 2011
                                                                                  • 3615
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                  nep·o·tism
                                                                                  ˈnepəˌtizəm
                                                                                  noun

                                                                                  the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs.
                                                                                  synonyms: favoritism, preferential treatment, the old boy network, looking after one's own, bias, partiality, partisanship
                                                                                  "hiring my daughter was not nepotism?it was just good business"
                                                                                  As if it is and ever was different...
                                                                                  Half troll half amazing!

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                                                                                    • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                      It's 42
                                                                                      • Jun 2010
                                                                                      • 18083
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      If you look at the notes https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110

                                                                                      This was after JFK/RFK the first date I saw was 1967.

                                                                                      Why Trump makes this unlawful appointment is interesting. Maybe, he expects a "Trump Amendment" on the Emperor's desk by February 1? Maybe, this is just a cover appointment expected to be refused then used as a smokescreen of other questionable cabinet appoints Trump is making.

                                                                                      Trump pulls the diversionary scam over and over like a cheap stage magician. Trump is peeing with the big dogs now -- and he seems a bit downwind.

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                                                                                        • onwebcam
                                                                                          Fake Nick 1.0
                                                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                                                          • 27689
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          "A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position"

                                                                                          Do you really think they would pass such a law without a loophole?

                                                                                          The law is intended to keep someone from hiring a family member for a position over a more qualified individual already within a particular agency.

                                                                                          It isn't a civilian position. It's a appointed non-civilian position.

                                                                                          Good thing none of you are lawyers.

                                                                                          Case closed.

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                                                                                            • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                              It's 42
                                                                                              • Jun 2010
                                                                                              • 18083
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              As opposed to a military appointment? Government political appointment IS A Civil appointment.

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                                                                                                • onwebcam
                                                                                                  Fake Nick 1.0
                                                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                                                  • 27689
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                  As opposed to a military appointment? Government political appointment IS A Civil appointment.
                                                                                                  Nope. They have what's called "non-civilian nominations"


                                                                                                  https://www.senate.gov/legislative/noms_confn.htm

                                                                                                  U.S. Senate: Nom in Committee (non-civ)


                                                                                                  Civilian/Non-civilian applies to more than just the military. Police are considered non-civilian for example.
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                                                                                                    • RedFred
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2016
                                                                                                      • 9782
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                                                                      "A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position"

                                                                                                      Do you really think they would pass such a law without a loophole?

                                                                                                      The law is intended to keep someone from hiring a family member for a position over a more qualified individual already within a particular agency.

                                                                                                      It isn't a civilian position. It's a appointed non-civilian position.

                                                                                                      Good thing none of you are lawyers.

                                                                                                      Case closed.

                                                                                                      /endthread
                                                                                                      Not sure you understand the meaning of civilian.

                                                                                                      Civilian:
                                                                                                      a person not in the armed services or the police force.

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                                                                                                        • sarettah
                                                                                                          see you later, I'm gone
                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                          • 14301
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Trump names son-in-law Jared Kushner as White House adviser

                                                                                                          Asserting that anti-nepotism laws do not apply to the executive branch of government, President-elect Donald Trump said Monday he is appointing son-in-law Jared Kushner as a White House senior adviser.
                                                                                                          https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110

                                                                                                          (a) For the purpose of this section—

                                                                                                          (1) “agency” means—

                                                                                                          (A) an Executive agency;

                                                                                                          (B) an office, agency, or other establishment in the legislative branch;

                                                                                                          (C) an office, agency, or other establishment in the judicial branch; and

                                                                                                          (D) the government of the District of Columbia;

                                                                                                          (2) “public official” means an officer (including the President and a Member of Congress), a member of the uniformed service, an employee and any other individual, in whom is vested the authority by law, rule, or regulation, or to whom the authority has been delegated, to appoint, employ, promote, or advance individuals, or to recommend individuals for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement in connection with employment in an agency; and

                                                                                                          (3) “relative” means, with respect to a public official, an individual who is related to the public official as father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister, uncle, aunt, first cousin, nephew, niece, husband, wife, father-in-law, mother-in-law, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, stepfather, stepmother, stepson, stepdaughter, stepbrother, stepsister, half brother, or half sister.

                                                                                                          (b) A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official. An individual may not be appointed, employed, promoted, or advanced in or to a civilian position in an agency if such appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement has been advocated by a public official, serving in or exercising jurisdiction or control over the agency, who is a relative of the individual.
                                                                                                          Clearly the anti-nepotism law does apply to the president.

                                                                                                          I don't know if it applies to the White House staff or not.

                                                                                                          .
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                                                                                                            • onwebcam
                                                                                                              Fake Nick 1.0
                                                                                                              • Oct 2005
                                                                                                              • 27689
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by RedFred
                                                                                                              Not sure you understand the meaning of civilian.

                                                                                                              Civilian:
                                                                                                              a person not in the armed services or the police force.
                                                                                                              "In general,"

                                                                                                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian

                                                                                                              Fire fighters, FBI, CIA, Secret Service.. The list could go on... Hell the legislators themselves don't even consider themselves "civilians"

                                                                                                              If they wanted to define "civilian" they should have, could have and would have done so. But they didn't for a reason. How many Legislators do you think have family members on payroll? My guess is a lot.

                                                                                                              I'm going to define non-civilian for ya. Non-Civilian: Anyone who is legally protected by the government in their role. (aka taking care of their own)

                                                                                                              But that really doesn't matter because he is hired as an adviser... That's it. It's technically not even a position. It's like you or I hiring a business consultant. Most likely even contracted that way and doesn't even require confirmation. There are always loopholes left open for them.
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                                                                                                                • Bladewire
                                                                                                                  StraightBro
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                  • 56228
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by sarettah
                                                                                                                  Trump names son-in-law Jared Kushner as White House adviser



                                                                                                                  https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110



                                                                                                                  Clearly the anti-nepotism law does apply to the president.

                                                                                                                  I don't know if it applies to the White House staff or not.

                                                                                                                  .
                                                                                                                  Right so McConnell is corrupt. McConnell got Trump to appoint McConnell's wife to a position, because McConnell was barred by the nepotism regulation from giving his wife a job.

                                                                                                                  Drain the swamp?

                                                                                                                  See how corrupt Republicans are!

                                                                                                                  #ThanksDonald


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                                                                                                                    • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                      It's 42
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                      • 18083
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I suppose this will be known for sure eventually.

                                                                                                                      The wording is specific for the Executive Branch (a) 1

                                                                                                                      Trump is appointing Kushner to a political patronage position.

                                                                                                                      However government 'agency' is defined
                                                                                                                      executive branch, Executive Office of the President - the branch of the United States government that is responsible for carrying out the laws ... inclusive

                                                                                                                      The whole thing is shady.
                                                                                                                      Drain the swamp and fill it back up with "my guys" ...

                                                                                                                      The Administration is now a family and "Wall Street" insider business -- is that what you voted for?

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                                                                                                                        • Rochard
                                                                                                                          Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                          • 75733
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                                                                                          "A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position"

                                                                                                                          Do you really think they would pass such a law without a loophole?

                                                                                                                          The law is intended to keep someone from hiring a family member for a position over a more qualified individual already within a particular agency.

                                                                                                                          It isn't a civilian position. It's a appointed non-civilian position.

                                                                                                                          Good thing none of you are lawyers.

                                                                                                                          Case closed.

                                                                                                                          /endthread
                                                                                                                          A "non civilian" is either military or law enforcement.

                                                                                                                          Non-civilian | Define Non-civilian at Dictionary.com
                                                                                                                          Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                          Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                            • Rochard
                                                                                                                              Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                              • 75733
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam

                                                                                                                              The Administration is now a family and "Wall Street" insider business -- is that what you voted for?
                                                                                                                              The blasted Clinton because she had "ties to Wall Street" and the paid her to give a speech or two. Instead we just put Wall Street DIRECTLY in charge of our economy. You know, the exact people who caused the recession.
                                                                                                                              Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                              Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                • Bladewire
                                                                                                                                  StraightBro
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 56228
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                  I suppose this will be known for sure eventually.

                                                                                                                                  The wording is specific for the Executive Branch (a) 1

                                                                                                                                  Trump is appointing Kushner to a political patronage position.

                                                                                                                                  However government 'agency' is defined
                                                                                                                                  executive branch, Executive Office of the President - the branch of the United States government that is responsible for carrying out the laws ... inclusive

                                                                                                                                  The whole thing is shady.
                                                                                                                                  Drain the swamp and fill it back up with "my guys" ...

                                                                                                                                  The Administration is now a family and "Wall Street" insider business -- is that what you voted for?
                                                                                                                                  Clinton was edging on shady.

                                                                                                                                  Trump is full on shady while pushing Whitehouse corruption norms.

                                                                                                                                  This is the problem with Trump, it's all about him 24/7 while taking credit for jobs that were already being created. America creates roughly 145,000 new jobs a month and Trump will try to take credit for as many as possible and give corporate welfare to those who allow him to take credit, as he has for every jobs publicity stunt so far.


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                                                                                                                                    • onwebcam
                                                                                                                                      Fake Nick 1.0
                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 27689
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                      A "non civilian" is either military or law enforcement.

                                                                                                                                      Non-civilian | Define Non-civilian at Dictionary.com
                                                                                                                                      anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider:

                                                                                                                                      An outsider, not belonging to that society and or interest group. aka Civilian.

                                                                                                                                      Start thinking of DC for what it truly is > not 1 of the 50 United States, a separate entity. And you start to see things a bit differently. You and I are outsiders,, civilians. Couple that with the fact that legalese is a foreign language. That's why words that look and sound like English are defined, they want them to be emphasized. If they wanted civilian defined they would have done it. I've looked, I can't find the definition of civilian in legalese or US code.. I wonder why? They have their own definition for everything...
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                                                                                                                                        • onwebcam
                                                                                                                                          Fake Nick 1.0
                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 27689
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          "civilian" isn't available in the dictionary.
                                                                                                                                          Search for it on the Law.com network:

                                                                                                                                          Legal Dictionary | Law.com

                                                                                                                                          Well lookie here I found one. And guess what it's not the english definition..


                                                                                                                                          What is CIVILIAN?

                                                                                                                                          One who is skilled or versed in the civil law. A doctor, professor, or student of the civil law. Also a private citizen, as distinguished from such as belong to the army and navy or (in England) the church.

                                                                                                                                          Law Dictionary: What is CIVILIAN? definition of CIVILIAN (Black's Law Dictionary)

                                                                                                                                          What is CIVILIAN? definition of CIVILIAN (Black's Law Dictionary)

                                                                                                                                          So based on that legal definition one could argue that he's not civilian in 2 ways and is 1.
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                                                                                                                                            • Bladewire
                                                                                                                                              StraightBro
                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 56228
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                                                                                                              "civilian" isn't available in the dictionary.
                                                                                                                                              Search for it on the Law.com network:

                                                                                                                                              Legal Dictionary | Law.com
                                                                                                                                              Ha! So you're actually a fake Putin troll account I knew it! You're probably CyberSEO's buttbudy and live together in Moscow.

                                                                                                                                              Every fucking American knows what a fucking civilian is.


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                                                                                                                                                • Rochard
                                                                                                                                                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 75733
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by onwebcam
                                                                                                                                                  anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider:

                                                                                                                                                  An outsider, not belonging to that society and or interest group. aka Civilian.

                                                                                                                                                  Start thinking of DC for what it truly is > not 1 of the 50 United States, a separate entity. And you start to see things a bit differently. You and I are outsiders,, civilians. Couple that with the fact that legalese is a foreign language. That's why words that look and sound like English are defined, they want them to be emphasized. If they wanted civilian defined they would have done it. I've looked, I can't find the definition of civilian in legalese or US code.. I wonder why? They have their own definition for everything...
                                                                                                                                                  Nonsense. You are blurring the definition to the extent where anyone can be considered a "non civilian". You can argue that anyone outside of the adult industry is a civilian, where we are considered "non civilians".

                                                                                                                                                  Bullshit. You are either civilian or military. That's it.
                                                                                                                                                  Herschel Savage
                                                                                                                                                  Brooklyn, NY

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                                                                                                                                                    • onwebcam
                                                                                                                                                      Fake Nick 1.0
                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                                      • 27689
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                      Nonsense. You are blurring the definition to the extent where anyone can be considered a "non civilian". You can argue that anyone outside of the adult industry is a civilian, where we are considered "non civilians".

                                                                                                                                                      Bullshit. You are either civilian or military. That's it.
                                                                                                                                                      Incorrect sir. See my next post. Legalese is a foreign language. Again, it looks and sounds like english but has an entirely different set dictionaries.

                                                                                                                                                      I asked a cop on the stand under oath if he was aware that the DA's were speaking a foreign language.. His answer? Yes.. A lawyer is your translator.

                                                                                                                                                      Why do you think they define commonly known english words when they write law? Think it's because really stupid people are reading them? What is their legal definition of civilian? I'm still looking. But one thing I can assure you it's not exactly what you think.
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                                                                                                                                                          And we get a bit closer..

                                                                                                                                                          CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE?

                                                                                                                                                          US residents, 16 years of age or older, not employed by any government or military institution, and either employed and unemployed. .

                                                                                                                                                          Law Dictionary: What is CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE? definition of CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE (Black's Law Dictionary)

                                                                                                                                                          It doesn't just say "military or police" also that keyword "or" > military institution
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                                                                                                                                                              Civilian legal definition of civilian

                                                                                                                                                              civilian
                                                                                                                                                              See: civil, layman, public

                                                                                                                                                              Burton's Legal Thesaurus, 4E. Copyright ? 2007 by William C. Burton. Used with permission of The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

                                                                                                                                                              civilian

                                                                                                                                                              1 a person learned in the civil or Roman law.

                                                                                                                                                              2 as an adjective, pertaining to the civil or Roman law.

                                                                                                                                                              3 a person not in the armed forces.

                                                                                                                                                              Collins Dictionary of Law ? W.J. Stewart, 2006
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                                                                                                                                                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                  It's 42
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                                                                                                                                                                  Public servant would be the third category. Police, firemen, courts ...

                                                                                                                                                                  Then the are special "trump people"

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                                                                                                                                                                      What is CIVILIAN? definition of CIVILIAN (Black's Law Dictionary)

                                                                                                                                                                      What is CIVILIAN?
                                                                                                                                                                      One who is skilled or versed in the civil law. A doctor, professor, or student of the civil law. Also a private citizen, as distinguished from such as belong to the army and navy or (in England) the church.

                                                                                                                                                                      Law Dictionary: What is CIVILIAN? definition of CIVILIAN (Black's Law Dictionary)
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                                                                                                                                                                          civilian


                                                                                                                                                                          noun

                                                                                                                                                                          a. A person who is not an active member of the military, the police, or a belligerent group in a conflict.
                                                                                                                                                                          b. A person who is not an employee of the government: programs available to both government employees and civilians.
                                                                                                                                                                          A specialist in Roman or civil law.

                                                                                                                                                                          Civilian dictionary definition | civilian defined
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                                                                                                                                                                              https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/civilian-control/

                                                                                                                                                                              Civilian Control Law and Legal Definition

                                                                                                                                                                              Civilian control means the subordination of a nation?s military to its civil authorities. Civilian control relates to the President who is a civilian. In the U.S., constitution makes the President who is a civilian, the Commander in Chief of the U.S. Army and the U.S. Navy. Therefore, in U.S. there is civilian control.
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                                                                                                                                                                                  He thinks Emperors and their relatives are exempt. The classic Trump diversion ...

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Jared Kushner's Company Once Paid Bill Clinton $125,000 For A Speech


                                                                                                                                                                                      Fifteen years before Jared Kushner helped defeat Hillary Clinton in the U.S. presidential race, their families did business together. It was October 17, 2001, and Bill Clinton had only been out of the White House for nine months. Already on a worldwide speaking tour, the former president stopped at the Kushner Companies in Florham Park, N.J. to deliver a speech ? and collect $125,000.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Jared Kushner, who has run his family?s real estate firm for roughly a decade,
                                                                                                                                                                                      Maybe he will be Hillary's mouthpiece?
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • baddog
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by RedFred
                                                                                                                                                                                          Its what dictators do, place family members in their cabinet. Saddam, Castro, Gaddafi, etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                          It is not a cabinet position.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                                              If you look at the notes https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3110

                                                                                                                                                                                              This was after JFK/RFK the first date I saw was 1967.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Why Trump makes this unlawful appointment is interesting. Maybe, he expects a "Trump Amendment" on the Emperor's desk by February 1? Maybe, this is just a cover appointment expected to be refused then used as a smokescreen of other questionable cabinet appoints Trump is making.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Trump pulls the diversionary scam over and over like a cheap stage magician. Trump is peeing with the big dogs now -- and he seems a bit downwind.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Too bad it isn't an illegal appointment.

                                                                                                                                                                                              This is going to be a tough 8 years for you guys.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  And people moan about Syrians, refugees, Muslims & Mexicans, bringing the whole family over to take money...



                                                                                                                                                                                                  Trump's a fucking leach, who next in his family to take government money?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  DirtyDon's a leach
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                                                                                                                                                                                      And people moan about Syrians, refugees, Muslims & Mexicans, bringing the whole family over to take money...



                                                                                                                                                                                                      Trump's a fucking leach, who next in his family to take government money?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      DirtyDon's a leach
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Get back in the kitchen and fix me a sandwich.

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