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  • klinton
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2003
    • 8766

    #31
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    Date December 24, 1979 ? February 15, 1989
    (9 years, 1 month, 3 weeks and 1 day)
    Location Afghanistan
    Result

    Soviet failure to quell the Afghan Mujahideen insurgency
    Geneva Accord (1988)
    Withdrawal of Soviet forces from Afghanistan
    Continuation of the Afghan Civil War[14]
    Causes of withdrawal

    Some of the causes of the Soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan leading to the Afghanistan regime's eventual defeat include[183]

    The Soviet Army of 1980 was trained and equipped for large scale, conventional warfare in Central Europe against a similar opponent, i.e. it used armored and motor-rifle formations. This was notably ineffective against small scale guerrilla groups using hit-and-run tactics in the rough terrain of Afghanistan. The large Red Army formations weren't mobile enough to engage small groups of Muj fighters that easily merged back into the terrain.[183] The set strategy also meant that troops were discouraged from "tactical initiative", essential in counter insurgency, because it "tended to upset operational timing".[184]
    The Russians used large scale offensives against Mujahideen strongholds, such as in the Panjshir Valley, which temporarily clearing those sectors and killed many civilians in addition to enemy combatants. The biggest shortcoming here was the fact that once the Russians did engage the enemy in force, they failed to hold the ground by withdrawing once their operation was completed. The killing of civilians further alienated the population from the Soviets, with bad long-term effects.[183]
    The Soviets didn't have enough men to fight a counter-insurgency war (COIN),[184] and their troops were not motivated. The peak number of Soviet troops during the war was 115,000. The bulk of these troops were conscripts, which led to poor combat performance in their Motor-Rifle Formations. However, the Russians did have their elite infantry units, such as the famed Spetsnaz, the VDV, and their recon infantry. The problem with their elite units was not combat effectiveness, but the fact that there were not enough of them and that they were employed incorrectly.[183]
    Intelligence gathering, essential for successful COIN, was inadequate. The Soviets over-relied on less-than-accurate aerial recon and radio intercepts rather than their recon infantry and special forces. Although their special forces and recon infantry units performed very well in combat against the Mujahideen, they would have better served in intelligence gathering.[183]
    The concept of a "war of national liberation" against a Soviet-sponsored "revolutionary" regime was so alien to the Soviet dogma, the leadership could not "come to grips" with it. This led to, among other things, a suppression by the Soviet media for several years of the truth how bad the war was going, which caused a backlash when it was unable to hide it further.[184]

    Aftermath
    Weakening of the Soviet Union

    According to at least scholars Rafael Reuveny and Aseem Prakash, the war contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union by undermining the image of the Red Army as invincible, undermining Soviet legitimacy, and by creating new forms of political participation.

    The war created a cleavage between the party and the military in the Soviet Union where the efficacy of using the Soviet military to maintain the USSR's overseas interests was now put in doubt. In the non-Russian republics, those interested in independence were emboldened by the army's defeat. In Russia the war created cleavage between the party and the military, changing the perceptions of leaders about the ability to put down anti-Soviet resistance militarily (as it had in Czechoslovakia in 1968, Hungary in 1956, and East Germany in 1953). As the war was viewed as "a Russian war fought by non Russians against Afghans", outside of Russia it undermined the legitimacy of the Soviet Union as a trans-national political union. The war created new forms of political participation, in the form of new civil organizations of war veterans (Afghansti) which weakened the political hegemony of the communist party. It also started the transformation of the press/media which continued under glasnost.[49]
    Of the troops deployed, 53,753 were wounded, injured, or sustained concussion and 415,932 fell sick. A high proportion of casualties were those who fell ill. This was because of local climatic and sanitary conditions, which were such that acute infections spread rapidly among the troops. There were 115,308 cases of infectious hepatitis, 31,080 of typhoid fever, and 140,665 of other diseases. Of the 11,654 who were discharged from the army after being wounded, maimed, or contracting serious diseases, 10,751 men, were left disabled.[179]

    Material losses were as follows:[20]

    451 aircraft (includes 333 helicopters)
    147 tanks
    1,314 IFV/APCs
    433 artillery guns and mortars
    11,369 cargo and fuel tanker trucks.

    Originally posted by CyberSEO
    You can call it as you want, but it's a true. In contrast to Vietnam, the Soviet mission in Afghanistan has never been a full-scale war for Russia. We had no mobilization here like you have in the States (surprised?) Only a so-called limited contingent of Russian army was involved. Technically it was just a military counter-terror operation. The USSR has controlled about 99% of Afghanistan in 1989 when Gorbachev has decided to left Germany and Afghanistan alone to show the West that has has got no knife behind his back.

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    • just a punk
      So fuckin' bored
      • Jun 2003
      • 32393

      #32
      Originally posted by klinton
      451 aircraft (includes 333 helicopters)
      147 tanks
      1,314 IFV/APCs
      433 artillery guns and mortars
      11,369 cargo and fuel tanker trucks.
      And? The Afghani Mujahideens were supplied by the United States with anti-aircraft rocket launchers (FIM-92 Stingers). Try to imagine how could the American Army may end up in Afganistan if Taliban would be supplied with Russian 9K38 Igla? The difference is: Russia does not support terrorists.

      The States were so kind to Taliban and to Osama Bin Laden (a CIA agent who was paid by the US taxpayers), so he has paid 'em back in 2001. What a great success... As we say here: don't feed the snake, because it will bite you anyway.

      This is America at a peak of its stupidity:





      Aha, congrats to the winners.



      Say big "thank you!" to Russians because our army was pulled out of Afghanistan, so it was unable to prevent 9'11.
      Obey the Cowgod

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      • Bladewire
        StraightBro
        • Aug 2003
        • 56228

        #33
        Originally posted by CyberSEO
        And? The Afghani Mujahideens were supplied by the United States with anti-aircraft rocket launchers (FIM-92 Stingers). Try to imagine how could the American Army may end up in Afganistan if Taliban would be supplied with Russian 9K38 Igla?

        The States were so kind to Taliban and Osama Bin Laden, so he has paid 'em back in 2001. What a great success... As we say here: don't feed a snake, because it will bite you anyway.

        This is America at a peak of its stupidity:


        Aha, congrats to the winners.

        Say big "thank you!" to Russians because our army was pulled out of Afghanistan, so it was unable to prevent 9'11.
        American Navy seals are human, but Russian intelligence thought it was training seal animals for combat in water! So years of top secret training and millions of dollars for this:





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        • just a punk
          So fuckin' bored
          • Jun 2003
          • 32393

          #34
          Ok then...
          Obey the Cowgod

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          • Barry-xlovecam
            It's 42
            • Jun 2010
            • 18083

            #35
            bla bla bla -- your soldiers came back maimed and some addicted to heroin from Afghanistan. You lost and left just like the Americans left Vietnam -- beaten by brown people.

            The Russians are stuck in the muck in Syria for over a year now with little to show -- other than some bombing practice.

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            • Steve Rupe
              Confirmed User
              • Nov 2016
              • 3070

              #36
              Originally posted by CyberSEO
              The "most powerful army" which has lost a war to tiny Vietnam?

              The military did not lose a war in Vietnam. The war in Vietnam was a political war and was micro managed by politicians that made strategic as well as tactical decisions. The goals in Vietnam were political and the politicians realized that the political goals were becoming to expensive so decided to end our role in Vietnam and they ordered the withdrawal of our military forces. Our Military forces completed their withdrew in 1973. Two years later in 1975 the Northern forces defeated the Southern forces and took control of South Vietnam. Our Military lost nothing including any single tactical battle. The military has never lost a war.

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              • Barry-xlovecam
                It's 42
                • Jun 2010
                • 18083

                #37
                We got tired of dying in Vietnam for a losing cause -- I know I was 18 in 1973.

                Got buddies that came back in body bags -- they saw no victory.

                Got buddies that came back mentally fucked up bad from what they saw in country.

                There was no glory and the only victory to come from Vietnam was the day we left.

                The wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq were not in this country's interest really. After 13 years we are still stuck in the mud -- I hope incoming Emperor Trump understands the failures and does not increase the errors and make things worse.

                Meantime, the OP's fake news story of a major US Air Fores friendly fire incident is being reported nowhere except Russian Troll Media ... So far total bullshit ...

                The USSR's Afghanistan was a CIA payback for Vietnam where you Russians supplied SAM missiles, MIG fighter-jets and other munitions. Paybacks are a bitch, and we repeat the same mistakes, the US and Russia, over and over, for the sake to make a few dollars with blood -- what a waste ...

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                • just a punk
                  So fuckin' bored
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 32393

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Steve Rupe
                  The military did not lose a war in Vietnam.
                  Sure comrade. It was won... over 50 thousand Americans have died and over 300 thousands have been invalided. Seems like the US Army was so successful there - you guys really know how to fight...

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War



                  Obey the Cowgod

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                  • Rochard
                    Jägermeister Test Pilot
                    • Dec 2001
                    • 75733

                    #39
                    Originally posted by CyberSEO
                    You can call it as you want, but it's a true. In contrast to Vietnam, the Soviet mission in Afghanistan has never been a full-scale war for Russia. We had no mobilization here like you have in the States (surprised?) Only a so-called limited contingent of Russian army was involved. Technically it was just a military counter-terror operation just like the anti-radical Islamic one we have on North Caucasus today. The USSR has controlled about 99% of Afghanistan in 1989 when Gorbachev decided to left Germany (Eastern Berlin) and Afghanistan alone to show the West that has has got no knife behind his back.
                    Vietnam was a limited small scale engagement. It was never an all out war.
                    Herschel Savage
                    Brooklyn, NY

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                    • rogueteens
                      So fucking bland
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 8005

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Steve Rupe
                      Our military has done an excellent job of protecting America. When was the last time that foreign troops have invaded America, or foreign aircraft have bombed America, or a Naval vessel has fired upon America, or a missile been launched into America. How many countries around the world have felt the power of the American Military, including yours? How many millions have died at the hands of the American military. A Joke??? I think not.
                      world war 2? I know Japanese weapons landed on American soil.

                      To be fair, the U.S. might be the most powerful military in the world but their training has a reputation for not being the best. Speak to any servicemen that fought with America as an ally will tell you that they always wanted to know which way the Americans were facing.
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                      • just a punk
                        So fuckin' bored
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 32393

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Rochard
                        Vietnam was a limited small scale engagement. It was never an all out war.
                        Sure thing, over 50,000 US soldiers have been killed and 300,000 were invalided. And that's a "limited scale war"?

                        For example, during the War for Independence, the States have lost less than 7000 soldiers on the battle field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...olutionary_War. In comparison to Vietnam that war was just a joke.
                        Obey the Cowgod

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                        • Bladewire
                          StraightBro
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 56228

                          #42
                          Originally posted by CyberSEO
                          Sure thing, over 50,000 US soldiers have been killed and 300,000 were invalided. And that's a "limited scale war"?
                          We breed like rabbits that's nothing! Our population is twice as big as yours, and our life expectancy is 10 years longer than yours, so . .


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                          • just a punk
                            So fuckin' bored
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 32393

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Bladewire
                            We breed like rabbits that's nothing, and our life expectancy is 10 years long than yours, so . . .
                            Chinese and Indians breed like rabbits ;) Here is how Crimea was annexed by Russia (it's a thread about aviation, right?) - the original comments of Crimean filmers are included (the guys are FUCKIN' happy to be invaded):





                            I don't support the way we have returned Crimea back to Russia, but I'm not an idiot to realize: Russian army did it just perfectly.
                            Obey the Cowgod

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                            • Sarn
                              WW3
                              • Sep 2015
                              • 12405

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                              We got tired of dying in Vietnam for a losing cause -- I know I was 18 in 1973.

                              Got buddies that came back in body bags -- they saw no victory.

                              Got buddies that came back mentally fucked up bad from what they saw in country.

                              There was no glory and the only victory to come from Vietnam was the day we left.

                              The wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq were not in this country's interest really. After 13 years we are still stuck in the mud -- I hope incoming Emperor Trump understands the failures and does not increase the errors and make things worse.

                              Meantime, the OP's fake news story of a major US Air Fores friendly fire incident is being reported nowhere except Russian Troll Media ... So far total bullshit ...

                              The USSR's Afghanistan was a CIA payback for Vietnam where you Russians supplied SAM missiles, MIG fighter-jets and other munitions. Paybacks are a bitch, and we repeat the same mistakes, the US and Russia, over and over, for the sake to make a few dollars with blood -- what a waste ...
                              It was great business for military and politicians.
                              For Vietnam War produced nearly as many bombs in the WW2.
                              Greed of people with guns not have limit.
                              today they want renew it - second cold war etc.
                              for ordinary people, this means costs and death.
                              But without it, people do not understand what is war is and how precious peace.

                              PS: minute self irony
                              ----

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                              • Bladewire
                                StraightBro
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 56228

                                #45
                                Originally posted by CyberSEO
                                Chinese and Indians breed like rabbits ;) Here is how Crimea was annexed by Russia (it's a thread about aviation, right?):

                                I don't support the way we have returned Crimea back to Russia, but I'm not an idiot to realize: Russian army did it just perfectly.
                                I could be racist in a funny way but I'm not going to

                                Yes the Russian army did it perfect except for making it a diplomatic nightmare. I respect and like Russian people, you are very much like us Americans, though I tease you. It's just Putin being such a dick that fucks things up for our people, and soon will be Trump too


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