Great thread...

Something noone has touched on but could be important for newbies to know is that a Len's per click proggie may prove the difference between making it through this coming summer and being culled from the herd.

No, what will help newbs make it through the summer is them waking up and discovering revshare instead of mindlesly going per signup.

Wow "thesecretweapon" looks like some hot shit man! This looks like something along the lines of what I'm talking about in this thread -- remove the guesswork -- analyze trends and pass on the benefit to the masses affiliates...

Per click programs have very high overhead, and are very labor intensive.
You have to constantly check referring urls, have programmers that can stay a step ahead of the latest bots, get into pissing contests with cheaters on the boards, etc etc.

Most partnership programs, even the really successful and popular ones, are 2 or 3 man operations.
Just because you don't pay per click doesn't mean your program sucks.

Look at all of the paid listings on The Hun, Worldsex, etc for the past month. How many of them used a per click program for their sponsor? (I haven't looked, but I'd bet good $$ that none of them did)

Although this thread is a slightly creative and amusing way for you to spam your AP refcode again :winkwink:

Yeah, you need a programmer to detect the bots -- but really it's not that hard... All U have to do is something the bot would never think of -- like ratio of join-form submit button presses to raw clicks or something simple like that... No bot is ever going to function like a human and this kind of behavior will be easy to spot... all it takes is a programmer with half a wit to find the cheaters... Sure you are right there are more partnership programs than click programs now... but why do you think Adult.com is #1? Whoever still has a click program is going to realize the benefits...

Is it really all that more difficult to run a click program? I don't think so -- in fact it might be easier... All you have to do is watch ratios -- if somebody is doing 1:1000 or worse all you have to do is pull up some stats and the site and ask some basic questions... Please if 12Clicks can do it -- anyone can.

Treat all the affiliates as one entity and I think u save a lot of customer service time...

You don't have to deal with shit like "wah wah my ratios are low what is wrong" or "can you send me some more content wah wah" -- you just pass down one formula to all the affiliates -- the all execute it exactly as you have prescribed -- and there's a lot less hassle... Then you have just one guy at the top to make sure that nobody is robbing you... sure some affiliates will fall above the average and some will fall below -- but in the end it's this security of consistent performance that will make the program more reputable and popular...

For example the two most common complaints that you hear about ARS and Nastydollars...

1. Sometimes they shave really bad, sometimes they don't.
2. Sometimes the ratios rock, and other times they suck ass.
(and all variations of the same complaint)

With the exception of the guys at the top that are sending like 10-100 signups/day to a program -- who can see trends more globally... MOST webmasters will get a bad impression of these two programs -- EVEN THO they are two of the top programs in this biz!

If Nastydollars paid per click -- seriously don't you think they would be WAY more popular? They are already popular now, but I seriously think that EVERY site on the net would have a per/click banner up to Nastydollars... Think about it like this -- you make a website -- you can't really afford not to have a good per/click link on the site! When you build a new site and you throw in some banners at the bottom on low traffic positions... you don't always have the luxury of testing ratios! These are the perfect places to do per/click links!

Remember rawlikesushi? The whole concept was that you sprinkle these little buttons all over your site in low traffic places... Don't worry about ratios -- just watch money come in REALTIME....

I think it all comes down to the type of site you run.

If you run a site that has proven it can get 1:250 conversions why go for PPC?

But say you run a TGP that is converting like shit, then obviously AP is where its at.

Damn Lenny, have you been hiding in my closet, watching me?

People don't run pay per click because they don't have skin thick enough to put up with assholes on chatboards.
Its not the cheater, its the cheaters 5 friends who didn't know he was cheating you have to deal with. :winkwink:

Besides that, no one has the skill.:thumbsup

TheFLY... do you think you are that much smarter than the people who are running large, successful programs that don't do per click? If so, why don't you put your money where your mouth with. You have more of both than many of us.

in case you didn't notice, he can't even afford a razor. :winkwink:

hahaha please if you really had a site that could convert general traffic at 1:250 I would have heard of the program... and i'd be sending it traffic right now... If in fact you could convert general traffic at 1:250 you could pay like $.10/unique and you would have a banner on every adult site on the web within a couple of weeks.

If you can only convert 1:250 within your niche -- then your program will never have mass appeal anyway.

Recent photos show him clean shaven :Graucho

Pull on this 12Clucks :) <img src="http://1pc.net/shaved.jpg">

The only reason I'm shaved right now is I have a date in 20 mins... :1orglaugh

hahaha, got me.

I feel bad now I called you 12Cl( CENSORED )cks :(

I won't ever disfigure your name... Never ever again.

jesus christ you're a fuckin dork fly.

I thought you got run out of the adult industry?

Its not our fault you can't convert a PPS for shit, or that you are forced to sell what little traffic you have instead of making cash off it directly.

Ouch.