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11-29-2016, 07:17 AM

So fucking sad. The death of a once great brand
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11-29-2016, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by movieguy

So fucking sad. The death of a once great brand
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Congraulations Vixen.com. You are now the new kings of cinematic erotica.

For the love of God... I hope you are on Paul Markham's ignore list...

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11-29-2016, 07:38 AM

This is indeed sad....

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11-29-2016, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Struggle4Bucks

For the love of God... I hope you are on Paul Markham's ignore list...

Why? Does it mean I'm right and you're wrong?

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11-29-2016, 08:00 AM

I see many affiliates bitching about the quality of content. Pity they won't take a 10% cut in the pay to make it more affordable for sites to pay for quality content.

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11-29-2016, 08:00 AM

It went all over my head ....
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11-29-2016, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

I see many affiliates bitching about the quality of content. Pity they won't take a 10% cut in the pay to make it more affordable for sites to pay for quality content.

content will be 90% user generated in a few years..
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11-29-2016, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Why? Does it mean I'm right and you're wrong?

If that's the only conclusion you can draw out of my comment... then I was right about you not being able to draw conclusions.

Let me give you a hint: there is a conflict between the way you value yourself (and makes you post all kinds of things at a certain quantity) and the way people value you (how they receive it)...

So... I'll just sit here and wait till this thread derails again with your theory of Wrongfulness.

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11-29-2016, 10:07 AM

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11-29-2016, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Struggle4Bucks

If that's the only conclusion you can draw out of my comment... then I was right about you not being able to draw conclusions.

Let me give you a hint: there is a conflict between the way you value yourself (and makes you post all kinds of things at a certain quantity) and the way people value you (how they receive it)...

So... I'll just sit here and wait till this thread derails again with your theory of Wrongfulness.

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11-29-2016, 10:28 AM

Are u sure the stopped shoot? i saw one or two days ago some post from their crew regarding shooting.. anyway if is confirmed its really sad
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11-29-2016, 10:36 AM

Being a US-based company the cost of filming in Porn Valley has gotten too high. Even shooting in Prague or Budapest is getting expensive. We all know what a quality shoot costs, we can do the math, then we look at the X-Art join price, do some more math....and it amazes me ANY paysite today can afford high end shoots (without a little, ahem, 'help' along the way).

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11-29-2016, 11:00 AM

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11-29-2016, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

I see many affiliates bitching about the quality of content. Pity they won't take a 10% cut in the pay to make it more affordable for sites to pay for quality content.

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11-29-2016, 11:45 AM

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11-29-2016, 05:29 PM

They just paid me the other day to shoot
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11-29-2016, 06:04 PM

i see their twitter is pretty alive

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11-29-2016, 09:55 PM

Maybe they're just using similar style licensed content to supplement their own. Do you know if they've shut down their own production or you're just assuming that's happened?

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11-30-2016, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Grapesoda

content will be 90% user generated in a few years..

If you mean pirates uploading then it's very likely already. If you mean people uploading their own content to free tubes, possible.

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11-30-2016, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by The Porn Nerd

Being a US-based company the cost of filming in Porn Valley has gotten too high. Even shooting in Prague or Budapest is getting expensive. We all know what a quality shoot costs, we can do the math, then we look at the X-Art join price, do some more math....and it amazes me ANY paysite today can afford high end shoots (without a little, ahem, 'help' along the way).

What about Met-Art?

Porn Valley, Prague or Budapest are not getting more expensive. Companies are getting less able to pay. Some models might even be cheaper now.

So could affiliates drop their rates to keep sites going? Better 40% than 0%.

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11-30-2016, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Struggle4Bucks

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11-30-2016, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Porn Valley, Prague or Budapest are not getting more expensive. Companies are getting less able to pay. Some models might even be cheaper now.

So could affiliates drop their rates to keep sites going? Better 40% than 0%.

Of course, S4B will tell us something else.

What do I have to do with this?

I agree that shooting is not getting more expensive...
There are more models now willing to do more for less...

If I tell you my cost per update, you would fall from your chair and die instantly, OR, you would ask me to post proof

Where did you miss the part where I said that I could perfectly continue to shoot content and update? With my cost per update it's simply impossible to lose money on it...

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11-30-2016, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Porn Valley, Prague or Budapest are not getting more expensive. Companies are getting less able to pay. Some models might even be cheaper now.

So could affiliates drop their rates to keep sites going? Better 40% than 0%.

Of course, S4B will tell us something else.

Sorry I was not clear. The actual cost of production is not rising but if profits are down than the ROI for those productions is making shooting not possible for some companies.

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11-30-2016, 08:05 AM

I don't see anything that matches other than the girl and the position. This market is so saturated it is hard to tell apart though.

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11-30-2016, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Jay-Rock

I don't see anything that matches other than the girl and the position. This market is so saturated it is hard to tell apart though.

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11-30-2016, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by The Porn Nerd

Sorry I was not clear. The actual cost of production is not rising but if profits are down than the ROI for those productions is making shooting not possible for some companies.

Keep in mind, this is x-art. Even if their ROI per scene has dropped because they are no longer at 50k subscribers, they probably still have tens of thousands.

For most mature, relatively successful sites, content costs should not play a huge role in their expenses.

The fact x-art - a brand known for pioneering glamcore in the online industry with incredible, self-produced content - has resorted to buying licensed content, it is more indicative of product management issues. The licensed scene isn't similar to any of their previous work, except to the really old days when they had solo videos of girls gyrating by a pool.

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12-01-2016, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Jay-Rock

I don't see anything that matches other than the girl and the position. This market is so saturated it is hard to tell apart though.

Same position and similar girl to what I was shooting in 1977. And performing in 1966.

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12-01-2016, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by movieguy

Keep in mind, this is x-art. Even if their ROI per scene has dropped because they are no longer at 50k subscribers, they probably still have tens of thousands.

For most mature, relatively successful sites, content costs should not play a huge role in their expenses.

The fact x-art - a brand known for pioneering glamcore in the online industry with incredible, self-produced content - has resorted to buying licensed content, it is more indicative of product management issues. The licensed scene isn't similar to any of their previous work, except to the really old days when they had solo videos of girls gyrating by a pool.

No content isn't the main part of the costs. Affiliates/traffic is. So why not cut that?

They will bitch and moan non-stop and not see the long picture. Take a cut or lose sales.

How many sites have spent too much on affiliates and too little on the product leading to poor retention and conversions?

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12-02-2016, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Jay-Rock

I don't see anything that matches other than the girl and the position. This market is so saturated it is hard to tell apart though.

Because the market is saturated you have to shoot quality content.

If the scene is blowjob, two positions and cumload, sorry to say paid members won't be satisfied. Add some bad filters who altered the skin colors and fans won't like how look their favourite pornstar so won't join to access a new video of the girl they are in love.

Porn is about satisfying the customer needs, nothing else. But some companies don't listen their customers.

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12-02-2016, 11:24 PM

Looks like the newest update is an in-house production once again.. X-Art ~ Let Me Tell You How It Feels

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12-03-2016, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by movieguy

Keep in mind, this is x-art. Even if their ROI per scene has dropped because they are no longer at 50k subscribers, they probably still have tens of thousands.

I doubt they ever had "tens of thousands". Those days are long behind this industry for any of us with paysites.

XArt didn't even exist back when big paysites had that many members.

These days people just go to XArts channel on any big tube site if that's why they enjoy jerking off to.

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12-03-2016, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by movieguy

Keep in mind, this is x-art. Even if their ROI per scene has dropped because they are no longer at 50k subscribers, they probably still have tens of thousands.

For most mature, relatively successful sites, content costs should not play a huge role in their expenses.

The fact x-art - a brand known for pioneering glamcore in the online industry with incredible, self-produced content - has resorted to buying licensed content, it is more indicative of product management issues. The licensed scene isn't similar to any of their previous work, except to the really old days when they had solo videos of girls gyrating by a pool.

Not sure about that. It's hard to tell how many active members a paysite has unless you see their numbers. And X-Art was never as big as Met-Art (if I have that right).

All I know is when productions slow or stop it is usually about cash flow.

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12-03-2016, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Grapesoda

content will be 90% user generated in a few years..

it's already 100% user generated at many amateur sites

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12-04-2016, 10:26 AM

Anyone who thinks X-Art has ever had 50,000 full membership paying members at any one time in their short existence is just not thinking the math through.

The last time paysite company's were raking in 1.5 million dollars a MONTH was a LONG time ago. And there were literally only a COUPLE of programs with dozens of sites put together who were making that kind of money in paysite memberships.

50,000 members at $30 each is 1.5 million dollars a month. 18 million dollars a year.
Nope. They have never made THAT much money in a year. Not just off of one paysite.

Especially since you can find every scene they have ever done for free.

This ain't 1998 anymore. And they aren't "Max Cash" or "ARS" as far as sales go.

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12-04-2016, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Robbie

Anyone who thinks X-Art has ever had 50,000 full membership paying members at any one time in their short existence is just not thinking the math through.

They did. They long had whole member databases leaked, you just did not hear about it because its not AFF or brazzers.

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12-04-2016, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by ladida

They did. They long had whole member databases leaked, you just did not hear about it because its not AFF or brazzers.

Dude...I have a database of tens of thousands of members...but they weren't all members at a concurrent time.

I've been in this business a long time. And I know WHEN the money was good for paysites and I know how much it was for the big boys.

X-Art is not even in that league. No fault of theirs. The content and sites are great.
It's just that they came into being about ten years too late.

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12-04-2016, 04:12 PM

I just like the full face of make up look coming out of a pool in slow motion

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12-04-2016, 04:46 PM

many sites have been shooting and mixing with licenced content.

Adultlabs produce very good content, i'm sure X-art still produce.
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12-04-2016, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

Dude...I have a database of tens of thousands of members...but they weren't all members at a concurrent time.

I've been in this business a long time. And I know WHEN the money was good for paysites and I know how much it was for the big boys.

You are either bad at reading, or at comprehending what you've read. I never said database had 50k members. I said whole databases have leaked. When a full database leaks, you have everything from name, surname, email, and their active/inactive status. Databases had way more entries then 50k, but that's irrelevant, and they indeed, did have 50k active members subscribing. You can be in business as long as you want, that doesn't mean your statements are true in this particular case.

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12-04-2016, 07:17 PM

ladida...you have no idea how many members they did or did not have who are active.

You're saying that...but you literally don't know anything except what you've read.

I am telling you straight up that without looking at their books...there is not one single porn paysite in the year 2016 with 50,000 concurrent full $30 a month members.

In case you've been living under a rock...paysites are on life support buddy. It's everything any of us can do to keep things going.

That's why X-Art is possibly shutting down it's production and outsourcing. That's why the industry shows are tiny little get-togethers when compared to the huge events they used to be.
That's why so many company's have shut down over the past few years.
I can keep going...but it's hard for me to believe you don't already know these things.

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12-04-2016, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

ladida...you have no idea how many members they did or did not have who are active.

You're saying that...but you literally don't know anything except what you've read.

I am telling you straight up that without looking at their books...there is not one single porn paysite in the year 2016 with 50,000 concurrent full $30 a month members.

In case you've been living under a rock...paysites are on life support buddy. It's everything any of us can do to keep things going.

That's why X-Art is possibly shutting down it's production and outsourcing. That's why the industry shows are tiny little get-togethers when compared to the huge events they used to be.
That's why so many company's have shut down over the past few years.
I can keep going...but it's hard for me to believe you don't already know these things.

Production is a very good indicator of how sites are doing. Since 2008 most have been cutting back on production. Even before then few could spend big money on content. Even those shooting for themselves were on a tight budget. How many could afford decent locations that constantly changed vs those who shot from home or in a studio?

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12-04-2016, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

ladida...you have no idea how many members they did or did not have who are active.

You're saying that...but you literally don't know anything except what you've read.

I am telling you straight up that without looking at their books...there is not one single porn paysite in the year 2016 with 50,000 concurrent full $30 a month members.

You don't think Brazzers, mofos, RK, really useful, etc, don't have 50k members or more? Even by your math, they would need at least 50k to support the daily updates.

Ladida and I are not pulling numbers out of our asses or relying only on what was written in the new Yorker

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12-05-2016, 04:48 AM

Originally posted by Robbie

Anyone who thinks X-Art has ever had 50,000 full membership paying members at any one time in their short existence is just not thinking the math through.

The last time paysite company's were raking in 1.5 million dollars a MONTH was a LONG time ago. And there were literally only a COUPLE of programs with dozens of sites put together who were making that kind of money in paysite memberships.

50,000 members at $30 each is 1.5 million dollars a month. 18 million dollars a year.
Nope. They have never made THAT much money in a year. Not just off of one paysite.

Especially since you can find every scene they have ever done for free.

This ain't 1998 anymore. And they aren't "Max Cash" or "ARS" as far as sales go.

They were at least half that size at their peak
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12-05-2016, 08:57 AM

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ladida...you have no idea how many members they did or did not have who are active.

You're saying that...but you literally don't know anything except what you've read.

No, why would i write about things i have no idea about. I have seen the databases because you can find them if you search long enough and this interests you. I did not see it from 2016, but they definitely, at one point in time in 2015 had 50k ACTIVE paying subscribers in a month.

Why are they cutting production, or buying someone elses production i have no idea nor i care. I'm just saying the guy did not pull 50k members out of his ass. He's probably seen the database as well.
Saying no paysite has 50k active subscribers in 2016 is so far out of touch, im not sure what to tell you. There are paysites with more then 100k subscribers.

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