affiliate alternative to NATS? Anyone know of one

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  • redsfv89
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2013
    • 221

    #1

    affiliate alternative to NATS? Anyone know of one

    Anyone know of a good alternative to NATS, at $150 a month I am not sure it's worth it anymore, and with the higher tear pricing going up to as much as $1400 a month I think one can be custom built if an alternative is not available.
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  • BigFurry
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2003
    • 1574

    #2
    As an affiliate I'm asking you - please don't build one yourself.

    Big programs have done it, and all of them suck compared to NATS.

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    • Sly
      Let's do some business!
      • Sep 2004
      • 31376

      #3
      Even at highest tier, you could not build a similar system for what 2 years of licensing would cost. I have 3 licenses of NATS, worth the money for internal tracking alone.
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      • Jel
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2007
        • 6904

        #4
        What they said.

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        • Google Expert
          Webmaster
          • Jun 2004
          • 14294

          #5
          Sliiing - Adult affiliate software

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          • CHMOD
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            • Jun 2003
            • 1697

            #6
            Originally posted by Muad'Dib
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            • Konda
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              • Apr 2003
              • 2280

              #7
              There is also MPA
              and hasoffers and cake

              building your own is going to cost you a lot of time and money if you need all the features.
              A big company that built their own in the past is now switching to hasoffers (CrakRevenue)

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              • marlboroack
                So Fucking Banned
                • Jul 2010
                • 9327

                #8
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                • Neighbor
                  Confirmed User
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 1511

                  #9
                  Thought I'd chime in here. Obviously I am a bit partial since being employed here, but I like to understand the mindset of program owners.

                  My initial question is:

                  Are you maximizing your revenue by utilizing all the tools in NATS for statistics and analyzing them to optimize your marketing efforts?

                  Most of the time I hear "pricing" concerns usually stem from lack of understanding how to utilize the system to it's full potential in order to increase revenue. Most of the time program owners are tracking traffic and conversions in bulk, but are not utilizing all the tools to get granular data to understand where the traffic should be targeted to convert better. If you analyze your traffic by tracking in segments versus just throwing all the traffic at it, it helps increase revenue by an average of 8-14% I have found. I'm not saying you are not doing this, but this is the most common cause.

                  As far as building your own system... it is an extremely high cost and a large amount of time to get anywhere near what NATS has built over the past 14 years. So unless you have deep pockets, I wouldn't recommend it.

                  Lastly, if you think any of the other companies mentioned has better pricing, I think you need to evaluate further. I have done cost analysis for many other platforms that other people have brought into the discussion, and I assure you, none of the ones mentioned can accomplish what NATS can for the cost. Unless you get a special deal of course, which if you are at the Tier 1 with us on NATS, I gather wouldn't warrant such a deal.

                  At the end of the day, I would like to help speak to you about what is happening that you feel $150 p/mo is too costly. Is it the platform or perhaps is there something else I can chat with you about that could guide you to a more successful use of NATS?

                  Either way, I am available and my contact information is below. Feel free to reach out to me and I can review and discuss what you have going on.

                  Thanks for your time. Hope this helps a bit

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                  • Yanks_Todd
                    Confirmed User
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 2493

                    #10
                    Originally posted by redsfv89
                    Anyone know of a good alternative to NATS, at $150 a month I am not sure it's worth it anymore, and with the higher tear pricing going up to as much as $1400 a month I think one can be custom built if an alternative is not available.
                    The cascading billing alone will pay for fees if you are doing any volume whatsoever. NATS is great.
                    Todd Spaits - Co-founder -YanksCash
                    Premium ad-packages available - Skype for details - tmspaits

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                    • Yanks_Todd
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 2493

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Neighbor

                      Are you maximizing your revenue by utilizing all the tools in NATS for statistics and analyzing them to optimize your marketing efforts?
                      As a program owner absolutely. The stats available are fantastic.
                      Todd Spaits - Co-founder -YanksCash
                      Premium ad-packages available - Skype for details - tmspaits

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                      • Google Expert
                        Webmaster
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 14294

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Neighbor
                        Thought I'd chime in here. Obviously I am a bit partial since being employed here, but I like to understand the mindset of program owners.

                        My initial question is:

                        Are you maximizing your revenue by utilizing all the tools in NATS for statistics and analyzing them to optimize your marketing efforts?
                        Dude. NATS is outrageously expensive.

                        Especially in today's porn economy, where a lot of programs are trying to survive on in-house traffic (no affiliates).

                        It doesn't matter how much you optimize marketing efforts. ~$1k per month for a script rent is a lot.

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                        • Yanks_Todd
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 2493

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Muad'Dib
                          Dude. NATS is outrageously expensive.

                          Especially in today's porn economy, where a lot of programs are trying to survive on in-house traffic (no affiliates).

                          It doesn't matter how much you optimize marketing efforts. ~$1k per month for a script rent is a lot.
                          But it isn't $1k per month. That $1450 tier is 300 joins per day. If you are doing 300 joins a day the $1450 will be made by around 2:30 am on the first day of every month.
                          Todd Spaits - Co-founder -YanksCash
                          Premium ad-packages available - Skype for details - tmspaits

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                          • Neighbor
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 1511

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Muad'Dib
                            Dude. NATS is outrageously expensive.

                            Especially in today's porn economy, where a lot of programs are trying to survive on in-house traffic (no affiliates).

                            It doesn't matter how much you optimize marketing efforts. ~$1k per month for a script rent is a lot.
                            Let's analyze that statement.

                            First, programs should be doing a mixture of marketing... affiliate, media buys, trades etc. But this has to do more with the individual companies marketing strategy which I cannot dictate but I can provide insightful advice.

                            At Tier 5, which is $1150 p/mo you have anywhere from 5000 - 9000 joins a month to even be in that tier. If you are making $5 profit off each of those joins, that would be $25k - $45k profit a month.

                            If the software that RUNS your business costs less than 2-4% of total operating costs, how is that too much? I don't understand the logic there... please do explain.

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                            • Yanks_Todd
                              Confirmed User
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 2493

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Neighbor
                              If you are making $5 profit off each of those joins,
                              That is conservative amount as well. I think CLV per join is closer to $15.
                              Todd Spaits - Co-founder -YanksCash
                              Premium ad-packages available - Skype for details - tmspaits

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                              • OY
                                Industry Pioneer
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 5401

                                #16
                                The statements from Neighbor and the other Nats supporters/users are absolutely correct, and if you want to succeed in this industry, you need a software like Nats or the likes.

                                Be sure to also check out MPA3.com - the original affiliate marketing and tracking software in our industry. You can find all you need on the site, including full pricing options, which starts at $99 monthly.
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                                • Konda
                                  ...
                                  • Apr 2003
                                  • 2280

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Yanks_Todd
                                  But it isn't $1k per month. That $1450 tier is 300 joins per day. If you are doing 300 joins a day the $1450 will be made by around 2:30 am on the first day of every month.
                                  The thing is that people who do that kind of volume will not just have one server, they will have a load balancing setup with multiple servers and then you have to pay additional license fees, so it adds up quickly.

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                                  • Yanks_Todd
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Aug 2003
                                    • 2493

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Konda
                                    The thing is that people who do that kind of volume will not just have one server, they will have a load balancing setup with multiple servers and then you have to pay additional license fees, so it adds up quickly.
                                    It still doesn't matter. You are looking at an industry with a 25% profit margin minimum if you are doing things right. I have been doing this as an owner for 14 years. Even during the crash when we shed 65% of our revenue in 6 months I never thought for a second about cutting our affiliate software, never even entered my mind. The ability to cascade payment alone bumps revenue instantly by 15% to 20%, which means if you are doing more than a grand a month it is paying for itself.
                                    Todd Spaits - Co-founder -YanksCash
                                    Premium ad-packages available - Skype for details - tmspaits

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