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any geeks here have knowlage of dark matter concepts?

10-12-2016, 09:25 AM

I know there are some really sharp cats here,

my question are these

are dark matter/dark energy merely place holders for missing amounts "****" needed to balance a current accepted universal model of reality?

are dark matter/dark energy localized events, suggested by local phenomena relative to the location?

are dark matter/dark energy homogenous to creation, embedded into the very foundations of reality?

any thoughts guys? in layman's terms pls.
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10-12-2016, 09:28 AM

and in honor of GFY; are dark matter and dark energy racist plots by trump and the lizard people to fuck black people over. and does it taste like cock or fried chicken? and it's perfectly fine for dark matter to marry dark energy
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10-12-2016, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Grapesoda

I know there are some really sharp cats here,

my question are these

are dark matter/dark energy merely place holders for missing amounts "****" needed to balance a current accepted universal model of reality?

are dark matter/dark energy localized events, suggested by local phenomena relative to the location?

are dark matter/dark energy homogenous to creation, embedded into the very foundations of reality?

any thoughts guys? in layman's terms pls.

I'm not a geek, but I've learned physics when I was a student. The dark matter is a theoretical substance which explains the gravitation anomalies in the University. When we see some gravitation effect, but we don't the an object which can cause it. It doesn't shine and it doesn't absorb the light, but something should be there. So the dark matter is just a way to explain some physical (gravitation) effects what we can see, but can't explain. If there was some matter which is unseen and has a mass 5x times more than all the physically seen objects in the University... it would explain everything. Let's call it a dark matter!

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10-12-2016, 09:50 AM

https://home.cern/about/physics/dark-matter

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10-12-2016, 09:53 AM

I know you can't say all matter matters as dark matter will get all upset & cause celestial looting & rioting
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10-12-2016, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Grapesoda

are dark matter/dark energy merely place holders for missing amounts "****" needed to balance a current accepted universal model of reality?

Yes*

Originally posted by Grapesoda

are dark matter/dark energy localized events, suggested by local phenomena relative to the location?

No*

Originally posted by Grapesoda

are dark matter/dark energy homogenous to creation, embedded into the very foundations of reality?

Yes*

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10-12-2016, 01:02 PM

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I'm not a geek, but I've learned physics when I was a student. The dark matter is a theoretical substance which explains the gravitation anomalies in the University. When we see some gravitation effect, but we don't the an object which can cause it. It doesn't shine and it doesn't absorb the light, but something should be there. So the dark matter is just a way to explain some physical (gravitation) effects what we can see, but can't explain. If there was some matter which is unseen and has a mass 5x times more than all the physically seen objects in the University... it would explain everything. Let's call it a dark matter!

so DM/DE are local phenomena's and are not homogenous to creation, embedded into the very foundations of reality?
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10-12-2016, 01:06 PM

All matters matter ...

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10-12-2016, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by CyberSEO

I'm not a geek, but I've learned physics when I was a student. The dark matter is a theoretical substance which explains the gravitation anomalies in the University. When we see some gravitation effect, but we don't the an object which can cause it. It doesn't shine and it doesn't absorb the light, but something should be there. So the dark matter is just a way to explain some physical (gravitation) effects what we can see, but can't explain. If there was some matter which is unseen and has a mass 5x times more than all the physically seen objects in the University... it would explain everything. Let's call it a dark matter!

Well said! And right on.

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so DM/DE are local phenomena's and are not homogenous to creation, embedded into the very foundations of reality?

Dark Matter and Dark Energy isn't the same thing.

Dark Energy vs. Dark Matter - HETDEX

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All matters matter ...

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10-12-2016, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Grapesoda

so DM/DE are local phenomena's and are not homogenous to creation, embedded into the very foundations of reality?

I don't understand your question. What do you mean on "local phenomena"? It's the theory which temporary explains the gravitation anomalies in the whole our Universe. Perhaps someday we will find some better explanation. It's like a wave corpuscular theory you have learned when you were a schoolboy - just another example of using adhesive tape in physics. Actually that wave corpuscular theory is... two different theories which don't meet each other, but they both work fine when we try to describe a physical object. A Schrodinger equation has no mass limitation, so any physical object... can be described as a de Broglie wave. Sounds crazy, but it works. For example, a light we all can see is a corpuscular object (a flow of partials) and it's a wave (a wave which flows, interferes with other waves etc). Both formulas can be applied to it without exceptions. Your school teacher have told you that there must be some universal equation to explain this phenomena, but nobody has found it yet. The same applies to the dark matter. Right now its just an adhesive tape which helps us to glue the things we can see it the Universe and the things we can explain.

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10-12-2016, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by CyberSEO

I don't understand your question. What do you mean on "local phenomena"? It's the theory which temporary explains the gravitation anomalies in the whole our Universe. Perhaps someday we will find some better explanation. It's like a wave corpuscular theory you have learned when you were a schoolboy - just another example of using adhesive tape in physics. Actually that wave corpuscular theory is... two different theories which don't meet each other, but they both work fine when we try to describe a physical object. A Schrodinger equation has no mass limitation, so any physical object... can be described as a de Broglie wave. Sounds crazy, but it works. For example, a light we all can see is a corpuscular object (a flow of partials) and it's a wave (a wave which flows, interferes with other waves etc). Both formulas can be applied to it without exceptions. Your school teacher have told you that there must be some universal equation to explain this phenomena, but nobody has found it yet. The same applies to the dark matter. Right now its just an adhesive tape which helps us to glue the things we can see it the Universe and the things we can explain.

this quote here: Calculations show that a vast "halo" of dark matter surrounds the Milky Way. The halo may be 10 times as massive as the bright disk, so it exerts a strong gravitational pull.

---that's not homogeneous, that's local even if local is bigger than all get out. BTW pesky heroin habit kept me from being a school boy, that's why I ask :0
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10-12-2016, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by MarkPrince

Well said! And right on.

Dark Matter and Dark Energy isn't the same thing.

Dark Energy vs. Dark Matter - HETDEX

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mark after your comment that a guy was a boob for not sitting on the gas tank of a bike going up a 60 deg hill with varying thrust factors and uncertain stability, I knew there were issues with your thought process, i.e. being right is more correct for you, than actually being correct . this makes be rather doubt your conclusion in some areas.

and thanks I am reading the material at the links
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10-12-2016, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Grapesoda

mark after your comment that a guy was a boob for not sitting on the gas tank of a bike going up a 60 deg hill with varying thrust factors and uncertain stability, I knew there were issues with your thought process, i.e. being right is more correct for you, than actually being correct . this makes be rather doubt your conclusion in some areas.

and thanks I am reading the material at the links

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I don't think you understand me...

I never said he was a boob. I was just curious to know if it was possible, to properly and exactly, calculate where the biker has to be on his bike, and what speed he needs to travel at, to be able to climb the hill, bumps and all.

I'm interested in the science of it - not really the math.

For example: Maybe a computer, with a laser and lidar, all mounted on the bike, could calculate the slope of the hill and its variances, bumps and whatever, and tell the rider how far to learn forward or back, and how much to accelerate or decelerate, in order to get up the hill. The scanners are there, the computers are there, and so is the software (sort of). Can it be done?

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10-12-2016, 07:44 PM

To be exact, is an impossible term.

It totally will depend on where your viewing it from as to how fast the bike will have to move, don't forget the earth is spinning at 1,040 mph, the galaxy we are in is spinning at 515,000 and the light your viewing from that bike is bouncing at.. light speed.

Put the bike on a train doing 1000 mph and bike up the aisle

is the bike going 5mph or 1005 ? Depends on where your viewing it from.

Then realise everything down to the smallest parts of an atom are moving at astronomical speeds so really the only reality is.. there is no reality, except for what You make it at any given time. Everything that we experience is not reality in itself, it's our perception of what reality is.

The only thing sure is the more we understand, the less we know.
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10-12-2016, 07:53 PM

Dark energy doesn't exist. The forces associated with what is known as dark energy stem from our poor understanding of the exact mechanics of how gravity works. My theory is that gravity enters in from another dimension and flows out into another. Seeing it flow in is what we think of as dark energy.. the outflow we call gravity.

Of course there's no way to prove this until we have a thorough understanding of gravity. And multi-dimensions for that matter.
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10-12-2016, 08:19 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton

Some scientists seem to think the graviton is the massless particle that is responsible for gravitation (although undiscovered).

I personally believe that gravity works in a similar manner to electricity, in that in order for their to be current, electrons have to travel in a flow, coming from the source of induction and back again. Meaning, that if a graviton, as we observe is flowing towards mass and pushing matter towards larger matter, then it must be flowing from somewhere. The graviton flows in a circuit between dimensions or universes and as it flows in from them and across space/time, that flow is what expands the galaxies away from each other (dark energy) and is what causes galaxies to behave in the manner that scientists attribute to unseen and undetectable matter (Dark Matter).
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10-12-2016, 08:37 PM

As the gravity flows in from every single square inch of the universe and attracts to the mass of galaxies, pushing them further apart, the added space between them only allows room for the graviton to speed up in its flow towards the mass. That, in my opinion is what is causing the universe to expand at an ever increasing rate.
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10-13-2016, 03:51 AM

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Dark energy doesn't exist. The forces associated with what is known as dark energy stem from our poor understanding of the exact mechanics of how gravity works. My theory is that gravity enters in from another dimension and flows out into another. Seeing it flow in is what we think of as dark energy.. the outflow we call gravity.

Of course there's no way to prove this until we have a thorough understanding of gravity. And multi-dimensions for that matter.

Strong and weak forces act on sub atomic particles. Gravity works on atomic particles. Dark Energy works on vacuums.

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10-13-2016, 07:54 AM

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Strong and weak forces act on sub atomic particles. Gravity works on atomic particles. Dark Energy works on vacuums.

I know those things.

I'm suggesting that the force of gravity might originate from the vacuum by some unknown mechanism that may be pulling it in from some other dimension or adjacent universe and it flows to the mass of particles which absorb it back into from whence it came.
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10-13-2016, 08:05 AM

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I know you can't say all matter matters as dark matter will get all upset & cause celestial looting & rioting

Grey matter matters. Particularly, the lack thereof.
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10-13-2016, 08:17 AM

its the same thing as the neutrino...fudge factor to make quantum mechanics work. need another einstein or an AI to figure out what it really is.
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10-13-2016, 10:41 AM

Dark matter is simply matter un-entangled by Higgs bosons. So it has no obvious interaction with the universe as we perceive it. Think of it as ghost matter, because that's essentially what it is.

But that's opening up a can of worms. Is there life in this other dark matter universe? Can life exist without Higgs bosons? Are there un-entagled facets of ourselves (footprints or silhouettes, if you will) co-existing in the same space in this dark-matter universe?

Those answers open up a whole other can of worms. But as a devout atheist, there comes a point where science must be shunned and ignorance embraced, to preserve our way of existence.

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10-13-2016, 01:14 PM

Why do you need to know about dark matter? Afraid it's coming to take over your neighborhood?
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