The Supreme Court thinks otherwise. It would be a form of State endorsement because without the State, you wouldn't have a captive audience to evangelize. This is the reason school prayer that involves *voluntary attendance* is not a problem, but praying over a public PA system at a football game is.

*sigh*

whats the matter stocktrader?

Lemme guess, they are not using women and kids as shields. Thats why the arab stations broadcast that the pics of them doing so was troops carrying them out of the battle zone to protect them right?


or the building where they had all them on top of it so we wouldnt bomb it maybe?

Yeh, he is not a terrorist, he just uses the same exact methods by coincidence.

There is alot of confusion over this, but its really no different that the after school clubs issue. If the school allows the Bible club, it has to allow the gay club. They can't have one and not the other, but they can choose to have no clubs at all.

Same thing with sensitive current events topics. Public schools are within their rights to ban viewpoint expressions on particular subjects as long as they ban *all* viewpoint on the subject. If they allow Pro they have to allow Con, but they can choose to allow neither in the interests of maintaining a non-combative learning environment.

Or at least thats how it used to work in my school district...

No the matter is that you have the comprehension of a 3rd grader. Let's look at what Joe said.

"Dissent seems to be equated with being anti-American.... or in the case of this war, siding with terrorists. "

To which you responded....

"Lets see here, saddam's troops are using women and kids as human shields, he is torturing our pows using car batteries, etc, he is paying families huge sums of cash if one of their members commits a suicide bombing. Using terrorism was a poor choice of words as that is EXACTLY what he is. "

Dissent means having a difference of opinion. So Joe was saying that people consider anyone with the anti-war opinion as siding with Saddam and/or terrorists. All you did was prove that his comment is correct. Anti-War is not fucking pro Saddam. Get it through your thick skull. I don't agree with this war and I despise Saddam. Wow, you pointed out that Saddam was a terrorist while overlooking the fact that Joe doesn't support Saddam.

That is the current situation in many, if not the majority, of school districts. Well stated.

Here's something to think about: :winkwink:

"The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
--Former CIA Director William Colby

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What a silly fucking point you are trying so poorly to make...

School Kids.... Get real.


Your anti-American bull shit is reaching new lows mate.

You have forgotten that once you make so many bull shit remarks and attempted put downs, that now just about any point you try to make isn't going to be taken seriously by anyone in the States, in fact, most of it comes across like school boy jealously really.

It's pretty much got to when looking at the main page, when you see your name you know it's another cry-baby whinning about America thread ... again....


Get over it man - I can safely say I don't think anyone in the States really gives a flying fuck what you think - go back and read your own thead!

Keep defending the actions of the right and you can tell your coworkers at Starbucks how you used to be a big adult webmaster before the right ran us all out of busniess.

niggafied!

And you think that bothers me?

You read the threads and get pissed off... and I laugh.

You also make too many assumptions, and you flatter yourself.

It would take someone with a great deal more wit and brains to piss me off than you will ever possess.

I have to care about something to get mad over it - and like I told you in the part you didn't quote - Sorry, but most of us here have been laughing at your anti-American nonsense and sincerely could not care less.


Have you EVER started a thread that didn't either start with anti-American cry baby whinning, or one that didn't end with you getting slammed all hell over for it? - You really are amusing.

So smell the roses or just look up at the sky for a few hours, get away from your hate for awhile. It's not good for you.

I don't hear you laughing.

You seem pissed off to me. :1orglaugh

There are alot of things that kids in America are not 'allowed' to do or say, and it has nothing to do with trying to squash their 'constitutional rights'... it has to do with their age and their ability to understand things as an adult normally would. We don't let kids vote, we don't let them live on their own, we don't let them join the armed forces, etc.

Also, like said before, Freedom Of Speech does not equal Freedom to say anything you want whenever and wherever you want. For example, you cannot yell 'Fire' in a crowded theater, or incite riots with 'speech'.

And invariably, we as adults, know what certain things said can lead to better than a child.... that's why we monitor it and 'censor' it. When they are old enough, then they are allowed all the same rights as adults.

this reminds me of the south park episode on christmas, don't want to offend anyone

One more reason my kids will never go to public school!

You don't have kids, Joe. According to your logic expressed in past threads this means any comment you make regarding the upbringing of children is irrelevant, ignorant and unentitled.

No I don't have kids.

But I've been a kid. That gives me every right to express my opinion on this subject.

your comment was on the upbringing of children. You have never raised a child.

No, but I was brought up. I've learned from that experience. Probably more than most.

Being raised is not the same as raising.

So you disagree with this then:

"Kids have to be taught to be respectful of the fact that others are entitled to their opinion even though it may be diametrically opposed to theirs. Diversity, open mindedness and tolerance should be promoted in schools as a matter of principle."

That was the full quote. Nice of you to leave out everything but "Kids have to be taught..."

If you disagree I'd love to hear your reasons why. :1orglaugh

I don't disagree with your statement at all, Joe. Just busting yer balls a bit. You ARE the same Joe Sixpack who denied me the right to have an opinion on certain aspects of Australian culture because I have never visited Oz while giving yourself the right to opine ad nauseum on all things American because you have visited the States and had a Yank wife. I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion based on their life experience and observations.

I know you're trying to bust my balls but it ain't working because you're analogy doesn't work.

Yes, I've visited the USA - spent six months there in fact - and that makes me qualified to make observations. If all you've ever experienced about Australia is Kylie Minogue, Crocodile Dundee and Vegemite then you know nothing about this country. Your "life experiences" and "observations" on Australia are, quite frankly, worth shit.

Spend a month here and you'll be entitled to an opinion on the Australian way of life and Australians in general because you will have experienced it.

So you are qualified to talk about child rearing because you were raised? If all you have ever experienced has been an upbringing by a drunk your opinions on parenthood are, quite frankly, worth shit. Get yourself raised by a sober responsible human being and then you'll be qualified to talk about raising children. And you probably wouldn't be such an angry person.

Yeah my old man was an alcoholic. He was violent and emotionally abusive as well.

But you know what he taught me - how not to raise a child and what emotionally damages a child. And that's more valuable than you will ever know, unless your upbringing was similar. In which case you might understand what I'm talking about.

So if you understand this why don't you do something about this emotional damage that manifests itself in your need to seek negative attention? This is a trait of many children of alcoholics as it is hard to get a drunks attention unless you're fuckin' shit up. Would you agree this may be a root cause of you're need to shit disturb all the time?

well, i don't think US is a real democracy, but face facts nobody in the world has a better one... :(

No, you simply don't get it. I didn't want to get my father's attention I wanted to get the fuck away from him. Your attempt to psycho analyse me has failed becasue bascially you have no idea who I am. Fair enough. I have no idea who you are.

I don't have a need to seek "negative attention". 90% of the time views expressed by me are my genuine views. Generally speaking I fail to appreciate your fast food, Hollywood happy ending, gun totin' culture. I know as an American you may find this shocking, but many hundreds of millions of people around the world feel the same way. I think your culture is excessivley shallow and materialistic. I also think the USA is an aggressive, bully nation. But by the same token, I have enjoyed the time i have spent in the USA and I am sure I will visit again. I am yet to see San Francisco or experience Mardi Gras in New Orleans for example.

I don't think Americans are an evil people. I think the vast majority of you are almost completely ignorant of the world that surrounds you because you're so deeply immersed in your own culture. Most Americans watch little to no international news and considering you are the richest nation on Earth you travel very little. Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians and even South Africans put you to shame in that department.

So no, you can't just put me in a little box labelled "son of alcoholic" and say that is why i hold the views I do. My opinions are well considered and strongly held. Sure I stir the shit some times. And why not? You Americans bite every time. It amuses me... and if you can't handle it then maybe you shouldn't be on a message board called "Go Fuck Yourself".

Yeah it also has little to do with the fact that we have states that are larger than most countries....to drive from Vegas back to Fort Worth to visit family takes over 24 hours.

In 24 hours I could drive through many countries in Europe.

Alot of people travel but keep it in the states, they experience cultures within the US culture.

You go from Texas to California and you're going to find totally different people.

Same from California to New York.

We have so much of our own land to see, I wish I had time to get to Europe.

I've seen almost the entire Wester part of the US...have driven from Washington State all the way down to Texas and visited every single state between here and there.

I've also lived in California, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas and now Nevada.

I've visted some midwestern states, including Michigan which I was quite surprised at how beautiful it was.

Now I would like to visit more of the east coast and where some of America's history began...that'd be cool.

But damn man, we've got tons of things to learn about our own country...not to mention the fact that we have Canada up above and Mexico just below...so just because we don't all get to europe doesn't make us bad.

Our workplace culture differs from most other countries too. How many weeks on average does the normal aussie get for vacation from work?

I used to work for a German film company and we all got 4 weeks, because that's how most companies in Germany handled it...4 fucking weeks..that's an entire month in some cases.

Not too many people in the states get vacations PERIOD...let alone 4 fucking weeks.

If they are lucky they get 1 week, if they are blessed they get 2...and those MIGHT be paid.

No, Joe, you don't get it. You wanted to "get the fuck away" from your father because you could not get what you really wanted from him. Love and approval. You have once again reduced American culture to fast food, guns and Hollywood blockbusters. Not a very unique insite for someone who has spent so much time here. And this cultural nazi has spent enough time in Mexico to learn rudimetary Spanish.

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170 odd countries in the world and you only want to travel within the confines of the one you were born in. Sorry, the world is a big fucking place and culturally the USA is a tiny, tiny part of the big picture. I don't buy it.

With essentially the same culture and values. The same food in the supermarket, the same music on the radio, the same cars on the roads and the same fast food restaurants.

No, it just makes you uninterested in the world around you.. or maybe you do really think seeing the world on TV is enough.

Four weeks paid, but I've never had a "full-time" job in my entire life. Oh, maybe once for 6 months. I work casually and manage to survive fine... and I travel overseas six weeks out of every year. And no, nobody supports me. I do it on my own terms.

Well I here Americans talking all the time about vacations... most just choose not to go overseas. Life is all about choices. Do you want that $50,000 car or do you want to travel? It's that simple. If you want to travel but have no vacations you save, quit your job and get another one when you get back. It's ALL choice.

Yes, I was talking about your culture in general terms. I'm not here to write a book. I think guns, fast food and Hollywood movies are a big part of your culture. In retrospect I'd probably add big, gas guzzling cars and an unhealthy obsession with image and money.

But hey, to each his own. It's just not my bag.

:glugglug

I can't understand why US citizens get so pissed off everytime someone posts some article about something happening in US.

I was born in Argentina, and I know about all the stupid and terrible things that happend there. If somebody says "Argentinean government is stupid" I will say "You're damn right, dude" because it's fucking true!

And not mine either. That's the point. You generalize and stereotype America and Americans too much. I honestly find it hard to believe you spent so much time here and have such a narrow view of the USA.

Eroswebmaster is correct when he states that the average person only gets 1-2 weeks vacation per year. The USA has fifty states and each one has a slightly different culture, slightly different culinary delights, each one has different scenary (much of it is magnificent), each one has a different history and points of interest. Just to use the KISS method, with a 1 week vacation it would take 50 years to spend just a week in each state and a week in each state does not do the state justice. As was pointed out, Canada is to the north, Mexico to the south as well as all of South America. Traveling to Europe interests some. I have been to Europe and I prefer to travel in the United States (though my traveling days are pretty much over).

I'm not talking about every single American because as in all cultures everyone is different. But I think my generalised characterisation of your culture is accurate. So you're really going to sit there and tell me that Americans, by and large, aren't passionate about their right to bear arms and gun ownership... or that you don't have about 20 times the fast food outlets of any other nation on Earth...

Come on... what have I said that isn't accurate about your culture.

You're a very narrow individual.

It's no wonder you've had very little interest in world travel.

I'm sure the cultural difference between Oregon and Kansas isn't quite as pronounced as the difference between say, Kansas and Egypt.