News Deutsche Bank Is Failing....

[RummyBoy]

Deutsche Bank shares fall further to fresh low - BBC News

Deutsche Bank Stock Crashes Near Single-Digits As CDS Spike To Record Highs | Zero Hedge

The share price has been collapsing over the last few months and as always, its the privileged traders who knew in advance what was coming. In addition to that, its facing a $14bn fine in the US while its market cap isn't much higher than $16bn (ish).

Amazing how little press this is getting considering the size or rather the former size of Deutsche Bank.

https://finance.yahoo.com/m/5338beac...urn-lower.html

[CAHEK]

if it walks like Lehman, and talks like Lehman... it is Lehman

[Tasty1]

"wir" schaffen Das"

[RummyBoy]

if it walks like Lehman, and talks like Lehman... it is Lehman

The collapse of Lehman is basically what triggered contagion during the financial crisis of 2008. Quote from ZH:

"Bear in mind, Deutsche Bank is considerably larger than Lehman Brothers. It’s derivatives book is 20 times German GDP."

OUCH!

[Jigster715]

I hope the cocksuckers choke to death.

[Barry-xlovecam]

The German government will have to bail them out if they fail

That refusal stems from the exigencies of the German electoral system. What was actually said is that no state aid would be forthcoming before the elections for the German parliament (the Federal one) next year. That could quite possibly be true. But that?s very different indeed from stating that there would be no rescue if one were needed. For there are shades to this ?aid?, ?rescue? and so on stuff.

Forbes Welcome

More likely; a breakup and sell off of the good assets to another German bank -- the government (insurer) gets the garbage ...

[RummyBoy]

The German government will have to bail them out if they fail

RAOUL PAL: 'It's not a big storm yet, but the clouds are everywhere' - Yahoo Finance

[Sarn]

Sanctions do not work)))

[JFK]

if it walks like Lehman, and talks like Lehman... it is Lehman

Quack Quack Quack

[Adnium_Ivana]

if it walks like Lehman, and talks like Lehman... it is Lehman

I was going to make a similar comment but you beat me to it. All these major world banks are all cronies cut from the same cloth. Good luck to regular german people who will bear the brunt of their major financial institution collapsing due to their own greed and eventual instability

[celandina]

They survived Hitler, this is nothing... Read this and weep

[RummyBoy]

https://www.ft.com/content/42ec5f88-...c-6e7d9515ad15

From above: "As its shares fell sharply in New York trading, Deutsche recirculated a statement emphasising its strong financial position."

Deja Vu much? It's funny how the best sign of a broke and collapsing bank is a statement from the same bank telling everyone that its strong.....

The Run Begins: Deutsche Bank Hedge Fund Clients Withdraw Excess Cash | Zero Hedge

[RummyBoy]

The German government will have to bail them out if they fail

Probably, although Merkel has so far ruled that out....

Deutsche Bank troubles: Don’t look for a bailout anytime soon

Deutsche Bank shares tank as concern grows over stability - Yahoo Finance

If I had money in Deutsche, I'd be running to get it out about now....

[Google Expert]

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer!

[RummyBoy]

As Europe's Dollar Shortage Intensifies, Funding Pressure Surges Most In 4 Years | Zero Hedge

Oops...... now this is going to be interesting.

No-one is really following this apart from financial markets, but it could be something everyone knows about soon.

[2MuchMark]

I wonder what Donald Trump has to say about this?

When Donald Trump Needs a Loan, He Chooses Deutsche Bank - WSJ

Trump's Giant Conflict of Interest Just Got Bigger | Mother Jones

https://www.thestreet.com/story/1383...ump-money.html

[Tasty1]

'GERMANY COULD BECOME THE BIGGEST ATM IN HISTORY' Liam Fox warns EU is at terrifying risk of implosion after Brexit.

The Tory veteran boasted that while Britain could now chart a new place in the world, the EU faced a full blown banking crisis as well as wave of social problems and the migrant chaos.

And in comments that could infuriate Berlin, he said Germany could become the “greatest ATM in global history” as it picks up the bill for the EU’s woe.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/187362...-after-brexit/

[Barry-xlovecam]

Symbol Company Last Sale Price Change Net / % Share Volume Volume % Change
DB Deutsche Bank AG $13.09 1.61 ▲ 14.02% 70017780 1021.00%
DKT Deutsch Bk Contingent Cap Tr V $24.35 .98 ▲ 4.19% 2572179 907.00%
DTK Deutsche Bank AG $23.78 .93 ▲ 4.07% 3392261 820.00%
DXB Deutsche Bank AG $23.27 1.04 ▲ 4.68% 1639097 707.00%

Stock Volume Indicator: Unusual Stock Trading Volume - NASDAQ.com

Another zerohedge premature ejaculation

Some made a lot of money Friday

[RummyBoy]

Another zerohedge premature ejaculation

Some made a lot of money Friday

And your point is what?

Even Lehman and Bear Stearns had the odd day of bouncing during the financial crisis. Deutsche Bank (DB) bounced because of rumors that the US fine against them will be mitigated to a sum of under $5BN which compares very well to the upto $14BN that could have been levied. This settlement was announced only because there was developing a run on the bank as you can see above.

It's just a rumor but even if true, that doesn't change anything much about the solvency of the bank. DB's share price has fallen from $140/share in 2007 to like under $10 this year and you can expect the downtrend to continue after a short abatement.

The market is always right, this bank has SERIOUS problems.

[RummyBoy]

The market is always right, this bank has SERIOUS problems.

Looks like we have governments spinning plates behind the scenes. Commerzbank doesn't look too good either.

Is another German bank in trouble? Commerzbank to cut 9,600 jobs and suspend dividend

[Tasty1]

went down 7% an up 7% in one day on some rumours.
But looks like the fine is not 14 but 5,5 billion.
The same day another problem arose, now the EU want to fine Deutsche Bank.
Won't happen, they have to pay the bill when Deutsche Bank fails.

Could be a good longterm investment when the problems are more clear.
Stock prices never where so low.

[RummyBoy]

went down 7% an up 7% in one day on some rumours.
But looks like the fine is not 14 but 5,5 billion.

You're behind the times and you haven't read the news post in the thread either. It was a shown to be false (a rumor), some say to enable some hedge funds to get out of the stock.

Deutsche Bank shares choppy with no DOJ settlement deal in sight

Deutsche bank won't be worthwhile unless it gets bailed out but you got to wonder about HOW it can be bailed out. It has MASSIVE derivatives exposure, over 20 times German GDP. There's a run on the bank happening as we speak and if it needs a bailout, its a problem far bigger than Lehman and will take other banks with it...

[RummyBoy]

Gundlach on Deutsche Bank

Gundlach: "Deutsche Bank Will Be Bailed Out But What About Credit Suisse" | Zero Hedge

[Tasty1]

You're behind the times and you haven't read the news post in the thread either. It was a shown to be false (a rumor), some say to enable some hedge funds to get out of the stock.

Deutsche Bank shares choppy with no DOJ settlement deal in sight

Deutsche bank won't be worthwhile unless it gets bailed out but you got to wonder about HOW it can be bailed out. It has MASSIVE derivatives exposure, over 20 times German GDP. There's a run on the bank happening as we speak and if it needs a bailout, its a problem far bigger than Lehman and will take other banks with it...

Yes, missed it. So it is even worse. But they will be safed. Else the political party in charge can stop the party, will never be elected again. They will find away, dumb some bad assets and save the rest. They can be creative. Only problem will be EU with the new rules, bit i think Germany will do what is best for them. (and they are right).

The 3 banks that got bailed out / helped in Holland are doing well now, making money. One paid all the money back 1,5 year ago and government is making profit.

Now waiting for the bank-run that will happen when it fails.

[RummyBoy]

Now waiting for the bank-run that will happen when it fails.

You're late here too. The bank run started a couple of weeks back and even been problems getting cash at the ATM from Deutsche Bank.

Deutsche Bank is 'technically insolvent': Expert

[RummyBoy]

If Deutsche bank goes under, the markets are going to explode or should i say implode?

Is the right word explode or implode?

Deutsche Bank Raises $3 Billion In Debt, As Hedge Fund Explains What Its "Bail-In" Would Look Like | Zero Hedge

[Relic]

You can dance if you want to.

[Paul Markham]

All thanks to the EU.

[Paul Markham]

'GERMANY COULD BECOME THE BIGGEST ATM IN HISTORY' Liam Fox warns EU is at terrifying risk of implosion after Brexit.

The Tory veteran boasted that while Britain could now chart a new place in the world, the EU faced a full blown banking crisis as well as wave of social problems and the migrant chaos.

And in comments that could infuriate Berlin, he said Germany could become the ?greatest ATM in global history? as it picks up the bill for the EU?s woe.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/187362...-after-brexit/

The EU Bureaucrats are trying to tell the UK that they will get a tough deal to scare other countries into not asking for a referendum. This means cutting German exports to the UK. Along with all the other EU members.

Seeing as the EU is responsible for the Euro and the economy of Europe. Why are they being allowed to carry on making everything worse for Europeans?

The UK is the EU's biggest customer. It employs millions of Europeans and keeps the EU solvent. So why are these EU imbeciles allowed to destroy it for everyone in pursuit of their dream to run and control Europe?

All that's needed is a Common Market.

[Barry-xlovecam]

DB	NYSE		
CHANGE	$2.39	16.70%	UP

09/27/2016	$11.92		
10/21/2016	$14.31		
Date	    Close/Last

Almost 17% in one month
Thanks zerohedge

[Tasty1]

The EU Bureaucrats are trying to tell the UK that they will get a tough deal to scare other countries into not asking for a referendum. This means cutting German exports to the UK. Along with all the other EU members.

Seeing as the EU is responsible for the Euro and the economy of Europe. Why are they being allowed to carry on making everything worse for Europeans?

The UK is the EU's biggest customer. It employs millions of Europeans and keeps the EU solvent. So why are these EU imbeciles allowed to destroy it for everyone in pursuit of their dream to run and control Europe?

All that's needed is a Common Market.

Yes, some countries and the leaders of the EU will try to make an example of the Brexit.
And only to scare people so they won't vote in referendum against EU in ther countries.
I hope they change their minds, else i hope the rest of Europe will be smart with the next elections. We must get rid of the Eurofilians. A good relationship with the UK is much much more important than the ego of of some politician we soon will forget when they get thrown out after the next elections. Maybe the IJ will get a roll like in WW2, they saved Europe by standing up alone against Germany, till more forces joint them. The Battle of Brexit is going on!

[ilnjscb]

Germany will bail them out, and make some changes

[beerptrol]

What happened? Did Trump declare bankruptcy so he doesn't have to repay the loan(s) from them!

[Vendot]

[CODE]
Almost 17% in one month
Thanks zerohedge [/IMG]

Sure but what of it? Nothing goes down in a straight line and if you want to gamble on the upside in an insolvent bank, feel free but you're better off at the casino.

Deutsche is heading lower until it gets bailed out and only then will it (sustainably) pop to the upside.

[Tasty1]

Sure but what of it? Nothing goes down in a straight line and if you want to gamble on the upside in an insolvent bank, feel free but you're better off at the casino.

Deutsche is heading lower until it gets bailed out and only then will it (sustainably) pop to the upside.

That is if the government isn't taking it all over and shares will be worthless.

[Paul Markham]

Yes, some countries and the leaders of the EU will try to make an example of the Brexit.
And only to scare people so they won't vote in referendum against EU in ther countries.
I hope they change their minds, else i hope the rest of Europe will be smart with the next elections. We must get rid of the Eurofilians. A good relationship with the UK is much much more important than the ego of of some politician we soon will forget when they get thrown out after the next elections. Maybe the IJ will get a roll like in WW2, they saved Europe by standing up alone against Germany, till more forces joint them. The Battle of Brexit is going on!

EU GDP is stagnant, most Western EU countries are suffering from lower living standards. Add the banking, migrant and terrorist crisis andEurope has to get on with each other. The only way to ensure that is to vote for Anti-EU politicians. European trade and cooperation is for Europeans to decide, not the rats in the EU.

[woj]

Sure but what of it? Nothing goes down in a straight line and if you want to gamble on the upside in an insolvent bank, feel free but you're better off at the casino.

Deutsche is heading lower until it gets bailed out and only then will it (sustainably) pop to the upside.

did you actually short it yourself? sounds like you didn't, you would be a bit less enthusiastic after taking an almost 20% hit in a month... and so why didn't you short?

[Vendot]

and so why didn't you short?

Nobody in their right mind would short a bank that we all know will get bailed out if things get a lot worse. If things don't get bad enough, we'll still get stories about an impending "solution" that will drive the stock back up again so its the same old story. If there is a settlement with the US, the stock will go up again so don't be surprised.

It's too big to fail.

[romeo22]

Mislim are in and would take over the country.The bank system will go down as well